Did I make contact?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 06 Mar 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

BC Hockey Mom	06 Mar 2003
Hi everyone.... I'm taking a psychic awarness class and have been trying so very hard to contact my guides. Tuesday night we did the meditation to meet our guides and it was so strange that I wanted to see if anyone else had experienced this ever or had some comments about what happened? We called on the angels and guides to come and help, and there was a part that we asked them to remove all our blocks....for about 10 minutes I could FEEL beings cleaning me out!!...it was truly amazing!!...all my chakras were cleaned and I could ACTUALLY feel things physically in my body as there was a presence removing gunk. I actually felt a hand going up under my rib cage and cleanging out gunk!!..It was soooo cool!!... Then we were to ask for our guides to make them self known to us by name. The name Alyshia came through for me and I argued it because I THINK it's a name of one of my daughters friends..but anyway, that's what came through...but the weird thing was that I could feel someone playing with my hair around my crown chakra!!!!!....I felt the tingling and hair movement in that one spot about 3" round....it was wonderful....then it stopped....during all this my hands were burning up (the palms)...we had to ask what our life's purpose was so I was asking and my hands kept getting hotter...so I asked if I was to do healing of the hands?...my crown chakra went wild!!...so I thought this was a sign...so I asked something else and my third eye chakra started tingling...so I said...ok...if the answer is YES, let me feel it in my crown chakra and if it's NO let me feel it in my third eye....so I asked again about something (I forget what now) and my crown chakra went again...so I thought I should ask an obvious NO question to make sure I was doing this right and we were actually communicating...so I asked, "Is is daytime right now?"...my third eye went crazy and tingled down to my nose!!..so I thought OK...it's WORKING!!...I went on with a ton for yes/no questions trying to narrow down my healing with my hands....elderly people popped into my head so I asked if I was to be helping them, it was YES, I asked if it was Reiki, I got almost a yes/no answer, I was getting frustrated and then it was time to move on to ask them for a symbol....earlier I had drawn 3 cards (before the meditation) on why when I was meditating last night (or trying to) that the shower kept running and then stopping...I got freaked out and stopped meditating...anyway the 3 cards I drew and my teacher read for me were the fool, juggling, water etc....she said they were PLAYING with me..I guess they have a sense of humor too!!....so when I asked for a symbol in the mediation tonight I got a Sand Dollar...I said NO WAY I got that last time I want something different, so guess what they gave me?....a bowling ball!!...then a hockey stick...then a big piece of kelp (the rubbery kind on the beach).... When the meditation was over, we went around and shared....alot of people went places, saw things, but I didn't go anywhere!!...The teacher said before I shared that he was looking around the room and sometimes he sends help or energy in someones direction if he sees they're having trouble with the meditation...he said he looked over at me in the corner (all alone) and smiled to himself and said "She dosn't need any help, there's lots of spirits with her"...he said the whole corner of the room around me was LIT RIGHT UP with white light!!....I did a couple times think someone turned on the light as it got brighter in there!....He also said when I talked about my sensations that it was great to be communicating with them and most people don't get to do that...I was complaining that I didn't get to GO ANYWHERE like the rest, but they all said YA BUT LOOK WHAT YOU GOT!!... It was the most remarkable thing I've ever experienced!!..I'll never forget the feeling in my chakras and I'm hoping that this will be the way they communicate with me in the future...WHAT A NIGHT!! So....has anyone every communicated with their guides in this way? Do you really think it was them I was feeling?...I've tried again last night on my own and NOTHING happened and this was very disheartning to me...any comments or insights would be GREATLY appreciated!!.. Thank you for listening and blessings! Joe-Anne

HOLMES	06 Mar 2003
yes,, the guide name i heard in my own mind was aleesha, which is a differnt spelling of the name you got. i would like to comment on the comment you tried it at home and got nothing. 1. they were clearing and awakening your chakras as preparations,, the next event will hardly be as powerful ,, but it will be emtoinal. each person prepared is differnt some the guides come in so gently one doubts they are there yet, the information shared with others is their proof (i am one of these eheh) others get what you had,, a energy proof of sorts that something is there and real. this is so you can have no doubt that something did happen, and it is up for you to decide if it is a one time thing.. or it can grow and happend more more as you awaken yourself. 2. i like your anaology of gunk when i work on a person i see their dense auras which i clear out as actual muddy gunk 3. reiki as you know it is a a system given form to universal energy in a way that others can understand. as the master who heals doens't use reiki but pure light and energy that is what they were using. us who are mortals must be attuned to the light and energy and through these attunements we can then increaseing send light. we are natural sender of light through our hands chakras. i recomend you get the books ask your angels, opening to channel, channelign what it is and how to do it,, and how to talk to your angels, channeling reaching out to your spirit guides. mostly opening to channel and ask your angels :O) it is important in the time to come that you learn to do the process yourself, through raising your vibration (the book spiritual growth being your higher self is good for that) circles are good as when everyone get together,, and brings in the light the group energy is more powerful. it is like the carebear stare,, more carebears the powerful the love of the star. however the carebear must learn to use his stare by himself to understand himself, and what the stare means to him,, eventually ideally the carebear stare will become as powerful as the group stare.. and when added to the group stare, it will only increase the love of the group stare to more intensity. why do you want to reach your guide. ? 1. personal growth 2.spiritual growth 3. knowledge of a field ? 4. to explore, for focusing on your guide strengths and abilities is the next step after praticing to connect stronger to your guide. poety,, bodywork, knowledge lies before you,,

BC Hockey Mom	06 Mar 2003
Thank you so much HOLMES for your reply... I value your input as you seem to be very wise about spirituality. Thank you for clarifying my guides name. I heard Alyshia but didn't know how to spell it and I like yours better, Aleesha..thank you for that...do you see or hear anything else from her? I was wondering since I'd love to hear if I'm on the right path or if she is trying to tell me something that I'm NOT understanding.... "this is so you can have no doubt that something did happen, and it is up for you to decide if it is a one time thing.. or it can grow and happend more more as you awaken yourself." So..how do I awaken myself?..do I keep meditating, praying and watching and listening? Or am I already awakened and now just have to get in tune to it?...this is what I'm trying to do and don't know how to go about doing it and maybe I'm alreading doing it by going through these processes.... 2. i like your anaology of gunk when i work on a person i see their dense auras which i clear out as actual muddy gunk. Thats how it felt to me and the word that came to me when writing....What kind of work do you do and what is it called. Is there information you can point me towards about it? 3. reiki as you know it is a a system given form to universal energy in a way that others can understand. as the master who heals doens't use reiki but pure light and energy that is what they were using. us who are mortals must be attuned to the light and energy and through these attunements we can then increaseing send light. we are natural sender of light through our hands chakras. Yes..I understand this about Reiki...I have my 1st level and have not had much time to practise it. I'm hoping to learn alot more about it in the near future.... i recomend you get the books ask your angels, opening to channel, channelign what it is and how to do it,, and how to talk to your angels, channeling reaching out to your spirit guides. mostly opening to channel and ask your angels :O) Thank you for your recommendations on books...I can't wait to head down to Chapters to find them!!! it is important in the time to come that you learn to do the process yourself, through raising your vibration (the book spiritual growth being your higher self is good for that) That is what I'm TRYING TO DO...and I guess some books would help me understand what exactly to do!!...soo much reading to do!!! circles are good as when everyone get together,, and brings in the light the group energy is more powerful. it is like the carebear stare,, more carebears the powerful the love of the star. however the carebear must learn to use his stare by himself to understand himself, and what the stare means to him,, eventually ideally the carebear stare will become as powerful as the group stare.. and when added to the group stare, it will only increase the love of the group stare to more intensity. I like this anology of the energy and how powerful it can be...THANK YOU!! why do you want to reach your guide. ? I know my guide is with me and I want a relationship with her/him/them.... 1. personal growth Definately for Personal Growth!!..I have been growing for a few years now and now I know it's time to connect what I have learned about me to my SPIRIT!! 2.spiritual growth YES...as above!! 3. knowledge of a field ? I seem to be drawn to all fields...I want to know everything about everything...that's probably getting me all confused!!! 4. to explore, To explore!!...DEFINATELY!!...I LOVE to learn!!...AND have a most inquisitive, analiticle, and courioius mind!!..So I want to look to my guides for help and DIRECTION most of all!! THANK YOU AGAIN so very much for helping me!! AND Listening to my many, many questions...again..this is how I learn...FROM THE EXPERTS!!..I can't ask a book questions..so thank you for your patience and help!! If there is ANYTHING you can enlighten me about my guides or process I would be eternally indebted to you....I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your input.. Thank you and blessings.... Joe-Anne

zorya	06 Mar 2003
i know a reiki m/t named aleesha that lives in b.c.

Phoenix	06 Mar 2003
OMG!! It makes sense now...well sort of. Maybe you are meant to be attuned my Aleesha(she used to be a moderator here, that's how we know her).

Faerie Lin	06 Mar 2003
Holmes I am cherishing your carebear stare analogy right now! Love it, absolutely love it! BC Hockey Mom! I am so glad you have the chance to experience such a wonder thing! Its very special indeed!

BC Hockey Mom	06 Mar 2003
Wow guys!!..thank you!!.... Maybe you're right!!...it makes sense dosn't it...i have been attuned to the 1st level but did not learn as much as I wanted to...maybe I'm being steered to Aleesha for the rest of my learning?!! Zorya...where in BC does she live? I'm in Langley (Vancouver area) Thanks for all your input!...I'll keep you posted and if anyone else has any more insite PLEASE, PLEASE pass it this way.... WHAT A WONDERFUL PLACE!! Blessings Joe-Anne

DarkElectric	07 Mar 2003
Hi Mom! Yeah, you got the buzz, alright! It is many times easier to experience this in a psychic awareness class, especially if you are relatively new to all of it, because you have the combined energies of all the other folks there, and the teacher. The sheer quantity of psy energy in the room should have made even a skeptic feel it. But, obviously you have some really great potential, because what you described was the real deal. Keep up the meditations at home. You probably won't have such extreme events anywhere but in the class for a while, but continue working on it. This is a skill like any other. It takes practice and time to get familiar with what you have going on. Somebody with talent still has to lay a good, solid foundation, because it can be weirdly counterproductive not to do so. Don't rush, try not to get scared, and remember that you will be experiencing new and different sensations. It is not your imagination, it's really happening to you. You are awakening. It's actually loads of fun when you get the hang of it!

Phoenix	07 Mar 2003
Joe-Anne, I believe she lives in the Vancouver area as well. If you PM or email me, I might be able to give you more information about tracking her down. She is a great lady too. She used to be one of my best friends here. I am sure you will like her.

Faerie Lin	07 Mar 2003
Hi BC Hockey Mom, I really do believe Alicia, Aleesha, etc., is one of your spirit guides. I met one of mine named Rashad or Ashad during one of my mediation exercises. That is great your guides are playful! I think you will slide into whatever you are suppose to do with your life, don't have to worry about that too much, and when ya do, you can think about your guides and smile. I can easily see someone working with the elderly and being the "fun" one, taking them out to bowling, the beach... stuff like that! Sand dollars may be a recurring sign theme for you, I think thats lovely. If you meet up with an elderly person that you'll work with, who collects sand dollars that would be cool! Happy Meditating!!!

BC Hockey Mom	07 Mar 2003
Again...thanks everyone for all your input!...You all make me THINK of something new and I learn something new everytime I read your posts!! Faerie Lin....I loved the way you spoke about all my symbols and how they may turn out in my life for me!!...COOL!!...that would be really weird finding an elder collecting sand dollars!!....You know...I've always loved the beach and any time I can I'm there, especially in the summer, suntanning and just lazing in the breeze....and I've always loved sand dollars and used to collect them alot when I was a kid...I had tons...and now when I go to the beach I can't find ANY!!...hmmm....weird eh?...never thought of that till now...weird how things come back to you eh?...will have to think about that one for a while now!!..lol...thanks!!..Plus I really do think Aleesha is the name of my guide as well as that's what I heard when I asked for their name....BUT it also might NOT be a coiensidence that there was an Aleesha here and she lives quite close to me... Phoenix....Thanks for the help!!....Zorya is also helping me get in touch with Aleesha...I appreciate any help I can get!!...she sounds like a wonderful person!!.... DarkElectric....Buzz is exactly what I felt!!...perfect analogy!!....lol....you wrote: But, obviously you have some really great potential, because what you described was the real deal....Thank you for acknologing this for me!!....I felt it was real but after a day or so passes I begin to wonder if I imagined it all!!...thanks for the confirmation!!....I also will keep up with the goup meditations as I agree with what you're saying about more energy and stronger energy!!...I'm sure that will help me practice...but when i'm alone I practice and practice and nothing happens....I know practice makes perfect, but a LITTLE sign that it was working would SURE HELP!!....You're right I AM AWAKENING!!...and it feels GREAT!!..I now just have to learn the patience part!!... THANK EVERYONE...I really appreciate you input and help!!...Will keep you posted on my progress and thanks for caring enough to LISTEN!! Blessings Joe-Anne

BC Hockey Mom	09 Mar 2003
Thanks Zorya!! I have made contact with Aleesha and will be checking out her Meditation Evening on the 16th if all goes well! She sounds like a wonderful person, and I am excited to see what this new path will bring to me! I can't wait! I appreciate all your help, this is such a wonderful place!! Joe-Anne

DarkElectric	10 Mar 2003
Joe-Anne! It's slow going at first, when you aren't in group. But, there are probably little signs that you are getting more in tune with it, and in subtle ways. You may start noticing this when you find yourself saying to yourself, "Hey, that was weird, I just thought of that, and...." Some of the things people experience is the synchronicity thing. Like, You'll hear a song in your head, just cant get it out. You hop in the car to go get groceries, turn on the radio, and BLAMMO, there it is. It's either the song that's playing right then, or comes on a few songs later. Or it's on the musak in the grocery store. Somehow, you hear it. And I don't mean a current overplayed pop thing where the chances of hearing it are too good. I mean something relatively obscure. You may get "answers" to unspoken questions. This happens to me ALL the time. I'll need to know about ...something. usually it's either an off the track subject, but it can be as mundane as "Whatever happened to So and So?" I think on it a bit, then forget about it. Within days, I get the information, from a source I never expected. I'll hear a radio program about that very thing, or see something on TV. My National Geographic will be delivered, and there's an article covering that subject. Or, it will be right there in my daily New York Times. I'll be on the web, get lost, and end up on some weird site I never heard of. Guess what I find...the same topic I wondered about. Or, I'll bump into somebody I haven't seen for a while, and they'll start telling me all about the current whereabouts of whatever So and So I had been thinking of. (I try not to think about my ex BF. That's one So and So I don't need to hear about!) Just keep your eye out for little signs. Anything that means something to you can be a sign. And don't give up if it doesn't come fast. It's there, take it easy. Don't try too hard! Relax, and look for little signs, They'll reaffirm what your subconscious already knows.

Alissa	10 Mar 2003
Hockey Mom, I think you had a very powerful connection between you and your guides, indeed!!! Your story is inspirational, as well as others' responses to it. Also, I have worked in a type of body work (when recovering from a serious 1996 back injury) that teaches the pupil how to remove that psychic gunk you were talking about! Actually, the removal is just a by-process of the bodywork (which is largely neuromuscular re-education, you re-teach your body how to move, correctly this time). In doing so, a lot of supressed traumas (be they old physical injuries, and/or time spent stuffing an psychological/emotional pain somewhere in the body) are released once you begin to realign your musculature, and work out the bad body habits. The result feels just like youre describing, except it's like you took the work and did it in FAST FREAKIN FORWARDS :). Excellent work! I believe we all have our guides, or inner teachers, and that the intention to begin communicating with them (such as you so powerfully initiated) is really all the needs done to bring Them forward in your conscious, and your life. Best wishes to you and your teachers!! Keep those chakras buzzin!! (done any kundalini yoga???)

BC Hockey Mom	13 Mar 2003
Hi...sorry it took so long to reply...I've had a hectic week.... Thanks so much for your input!!... Darkelectric....You're so very right...I've had these types of things happen to me all my life!!...I KNOW when my friend is going to call me BEFORE she does..and I only hear from her every couple months....A week or so ago I heard my X-husband say something to me SECONDS before he spit it out of his mouth..and it wasn't something that I KNEW he would say...it was completely off the wall and I was right!!...it happens alot!...and the same with the songs...it always happens...I even believe songs were written and then I hear them EXACTLY when I need to hear them as I need to apply it to my life!!...it's soooo strange!! Alissa....and just when I'm trying to find out about the physice gunk you give your post! I have heard of such a thing many years ago and was wondering what it was called or how to begin looking up anything on it and there you are!!....thank YOU!! I had another experience at class on Tues. night...it was the STRANGEST thing I've ever experienced...I don't even know how to describe it?...we were sitting in the class, listening to the teacher read about different kinds of spirits....I had tried to focus just before the class and open myself up as we were going to work on SEEING that night...and I wanted to very much to SEE a spirit!....ANYWAY...I was sitting there listening to the teacher talk when something came over me...and I mean a BIG SOMETHING!! My head felt like it was full of STUFF and was expanding...It ALMOST felt like I was instantly HIGH and out of control. I sort of had a look of panic on my face as it spread down through my body. My teacher looked up, saw me, asked me what was wrong and I said I DON'T KNOW!!...I then felt it leave and I was sitting there in shock...I couldn't describe it but my teacher made me try....I said it was like something CAME OVER me, filled me up and then left!!...she looked around and then said..oh..there's a spirit over there behind you....Anyway..the only way I could describe it was after I thought about it it was like the movie GHOST...when Whoopie Goldberg was giving the the phoney saeaunce (spelling?) and Patrick Swayze jumped into her body and then jumped out again....that's what it MUST have felt like!!...i WAS so excited and confused.... Maybe i'm a FEELER not a SEE'ER??...later the class we tried to see spirits but I had a great deal of TROUBLE...didn't see much more than alot of SPARKLES flying everywhere!! Soo.....that's my experience!!...anybody have any comments on this, or if anyone knows what happened to me and how can I control it or have it happen again (if I should) please let me know!!...If it really was a spirit, is there a way to talk to it when it's here or how do I not get freaked out and communicate with it?? THANKS so much for listening!! Joe-Anne

lunalafey	13 Mar 2003
I'm envious....at times I know who's calling...I can sense ghosts...and other little 'perdictions'....but I have no connection with a spirit guide....even with all my efforts the title: "did I make contact?".....this is so amusing to me...WHY?.... I went 'there' during a time of duress, I felt the pysical sensations, heard odd noises...it was so bizarre, I felt like I was floating.......I took a moment from my daze to look out the window to make sure I was not being abducted I have spent much time trying to find this 'space'...meditation for me is next to impossible....the buzz...or body rush eludes me. This was a common occurance when I was a child and I looked forward to the informtion I would recieve. I give full credit to thses goings on for my spiritual basis. Unfortunatly, at that time I did not know what was happening, I wish I had so I would not have lost the connection....

DarkElectric	13 Mar 2003
I was always a feel-er instead of a see-er for the longest time. That is changing now. It takes time. You are getting off to a ripping good start, though! I "See" spirits more with my inner sight. But, like I said, as time goes on, I'm able to actually visually observe gauzy shapes, shadows which have a bit more form than they should, and really cool sparkly things, sort of like a cloud of fireflies, in places like...my hallway, or my living room... And, when I see these things, I get the feeling, and knowing sensation as well as physical stuff. I have felt energies wash over me, things ruffle my hair like a breeze, and e-mag energy play up and down my arms like the Aurora Borealis. Interesting, it is. And do be aware that it's cool, yeah. But, be prepared for the time that something scares the bejeebers out of you! That WILL happen, trust me. But remember, when it does, to make sure your personal shields are up. Just because something is powerful and unexpected doesn't make it nasty. But those can be scary because they're overwhelming. Make sure your teacher explaind psychic self defense to everyone. Ground, center and shield!

BC Hockey Mom	14 Mar 2003
This is so exciting to hear your feedback!!..thanks so much!! lunalafey........I know the feeling...but I never had those experiences when I was young or that I can remember. I'm sure they will come back to you in time as I'm told that we all have it, and I'm just trying to get in touch with mine! And what a rush it is...I just wish it was a little more regular but I'm sure in time that will come too! DarkElectric.....Thanks for the confidence about getting off to a ripping good start! That's what I was hoping for as I'm not TOO PATIENT!!...so I'm glad I'm feeling SOMETHING!!....What does it feel like when you said, "something washes over me"...can you describe that to me at all? You wrote: "But, be prepared for the time that something scares the bejeebers out of you! That WILL happen, trust me." CAN YOU elaborate on that?...what happend or kinds of things have you experienced? I would love to hear some if you care to share! You wrote: "Make sure your teacher explaind psychic self defense to everyone. Ground, center and shield!" How do YOU do this?....I have been told to visualize a white light coming from above, through my crown chakra, down through my heart and sending it outward to surround my body with protection. I can do this and feel safe! I do ground myself (I think) but as usual am not sure if I'm doing it properly...how do other do it and are there multiple ways of protecting yourself? If you feel something take you over like I felt, and you have protected yourself, would you imagine that it was a safe spirit? I know, I know...sooo many questions!!...sorry, I can't stop myself!!...I want to know it ALL!....there's the impatience again! Thanks for listening again and goodnight... Joe-Anne

DarkElectric	14 Mar 2003
Hi Mom :) I'll try to answer your questions as best I can. What I describe here is only what in my experience, works for me. Everybody has to find the most effective method which works for them! "Something washes over me": I feel what I would describe as an "energy wave". It's sort of like being in the ocean, deep enough out so you don't get surf splashed all over you, but your feet are touching the bottom so the swells lift you up a little, or submerge you a bit. Or, sometimes, it fels like a moderately strong wind that comes up out of nowhere. Something that scared the bejeebers out of me: When I realised that things were happening the way I had either seen it in a dream, saw it happen in my head, or wanted it to happen that way. When I was younger (and REAL dumb), before I actually got into the true pathfinding and learning aspect, I was experiencing psychic ability, but I didn't really understand it. I've always had it, ever since I was a little kid, thought it was cool, but always was trying to rationalise it as being an overactive imagination. I had been dating a guy who went to my school. He was older than me, and had just gotten out of the Navy. He had been a sonar tech, and because of this, he had developed phlebitis in his legs (At 26. What a drag) Anyway, I really liked him, He told everyone at school he was in love with me, etc. Then, for some weird reason, he called me and broke up with me, no real explanation. I was so mad. I stewed for a few weeks (buildup) Then, exploded with rage. And what did I yell as I threw stuffed animals around the room and jumped up and down? "I hope every one of your damned clots breaks loose at once!"( creating cone of power, statement of intent, release.) Two weeks later, I got a call from my friend Pete, who still was friends with my ex, Dave. He told me Dave was in the VA hospital, did I want to go see him? I asked him why he was there. (I had forgotten about my tantrum.) Pete said that a whole bunch of the clots in Dave's legs had broken loose at once, and he nearly died. My stomach turned over, and my knees got weak. I told Pete to give Dave my best wishes, but it might not be such a good idea for me to go visit him. I played the ex girlfriend card, and that was it. If it had been the first and only such incidence of something like that happening, I would have never thought there might have been some sort of energy connexion. But, it was just one more event in a growing number of experiences like that. It scared the heck out of me. I proceeded to begin to learn about this stuff, and got some real training. (Wiccan, in my case) Ground, center, shield: I do this a bit differently. I envision a silver cord extending from my spine deep into the earth. When I feel grounded, I still myself, and reach for my center~ that place where I feel perfect balance, and equilibrium. Then, I envision(and feel it, too!) myself being surrounded by whatever colour light I feel I need to protect myself. Mine sort of grows around me like a coccoon, but it's universal light energy which I attract to me, and then it sort of grows around me. What I end up looking like in my minds eye is a blob of light, attached to a silver cord, like a balloon! Different people do it differently. I do the tree meditation sometimes as well. This is where you fell your feet becoming roots, and sinking deep into the ground. Then, you pull the earth energy up, all the way through you, letting it flow out of the crown chakra onto the ground all around you, like willow tree branches. Like I said, whatever works for you. And, I have felt something take me over. In the early days of my training, I foolishly channeled for a friend before I knew what I was doing. I got so taken over I couldn't break the connexion off. I fell down when I tried to stand up. My friend had to yank the big crystal we were using for this out of my hand, and also had to shake me out of it. I felt sick, dizzy, and got yelled at by my High Priestess for doing such lame stuff, and not knowing what I was doing. (She was the one who interrupted this little "experiment.) She thoroughly explained the dangers, then set me and my partner in crime to mundane shopkeeping chores for a long time (We were the cleanup crew for everything). I make it a point to NOT let things take me over. I have trouble coming out of trance, I go in too easily, and this is awfully hard on me. It's possible I could be a really effective trance medium. I DON'T want to be one. It's too much. I was lucky to get a safe spirit, but I could have just as easily gotten an unsafe one. Then I would have been in real trouble. My advice, don't do it the way I did! Learn and train with people who know what they're doing BEFORE attempting this at home, kids!

BC Hockey Mom	14 Mar 2003
Wow...Dark!! Thank you so much for sharing...what wonderful experiences...well..not all wonderfull, but definately POWERFULL!....I have done both of your grounding techniques before with different people guiding me and had forgotten about the tree one. I like that one. I do, do the gounding, imagining a cord going through my spine, down into the earth and branching out and holding on. I learned that in the Reiki I took. Anyway....thanks for sharing your experiences with me, I will truly learn from them and will NOT do what you did...As you have seen I seek out help and teachers so I DON'T DO IT WRONG!!...I'm so paranoid of doing this wrong!!.... The washing over me is sort of what I felt the other night, only it was more of a crashing than a washing and it would have been a tidal wave!! It defiantely crashed in and crashed out, AND it was powerfull! Oh well...I guess I'll have to wait for another experience, to get some sort of handle on it.... I have my new deck of Tarot (Quest deck) and was reading the book this morning....wow...is there ever a lot to learn!! HAVE a great week..... Joe-Anne

Alissa	14 Mar 2003
Quote: Originally posted by BC Hockey Mom Alissa....and just when I'm trying to find out about the physice gunk you give your post! I have heard of such a thing many years ago and was wondering what it was called or how to begin looking up anything on it and there you are!!....thank YOU!! Joe-Anne Man, I wish I could tell you this work has a nice catchy name (because it doesn't) and that there are several, in-print books to read about it (there aren't). It's largely being practiced by about a dozen people nationally, who have no "credentials" (or nice catchy letters after their name). We are literally a dying breed. The bodywork was developed from Mabel Todd's book, "The Thinking Body", which was a (roughly) turn-of-the-century book. Long out of print. I havent even read it, I admit. The work was continued most notably by a student of Todd's, one Barbara Clark. Miss Clark was my teacher's (also a Joanne ;) ) teacher. There is a book about Miss Clark's work, but it is a poor example of the work, and poorly written. My teacher Joanne learned the work as a pupil herself. She was hit with polio in NY in the 50's while dancing professionally there. That was how she was introduced to the work, Jose Limon's wife suggested Miss Clark to Joanne. But for her the body work was much harder. Instead of correcting an injury, she was re-teaching one side of her body how to move by visualizing and muscle patterning the movements off what she could feel on the good side. (This amazes me still, but anyhow....) Lastly, I'm not clairvoyant (that's clear-seeing, or psychic seeing) like you describe, so I have nothing meaningful to add to that, except a big WOW! I wish I had some of your experiences, but it sounds like you are just breaking through barriers in your soulwork! (Incidentally, Joanne is quite psychic and calls that experience you described as "Psychic Vertigo." It's that feeling when you can literally feel your consciousness expanding to accept a new concept, mode of thought, or spiritual awakening). I'm more clairaudient. I think that's from years of developing my "writer's ear" -- whenever I was writing, I felt like I was tuning into a channel in my head where the story would be. It was a different type of inner listening, and so I think that's why I tend to be more clairaudient in my spiritual work. Cheers and keep telling us about your classes! I'm hooked, and wishing I could attend!!! :D

BC Hockey Mom	17 Mar 2003
Thanks Alissa for the information!...I know I've heard of some kind of chakra healing, clearing out...what you described sounds similar to what I was thinking of but not quite! However what you described sounds VERY INTERESTING!! I will keep you posted about the success of my class and my path and I can't wait until tomorrow to see what else I'm going to EXPERIENCE! Thanks for listening and sharing your experiences...COOL!! Joe-Anne

Wisp Wings	20 Mar 2003
This is all amazing to me. I think I will start with how I came to this forum to start with. I knew of The Quest Tarot coming out and was forever at Joesh Earnest Martin's web site. I had been to aeclectic.com for I guess off and on about two years to check out decks and books. I had never clicked onto the forum til I think in February this year. Because of The Quest Tarot, BC Hockey Mom and I became acquainted having posted much to each other. She had referenced her psychic class in one of those post and I sent her a message asking her to please tell me about this. All my learning has to take place alone and from folks like you online. So I was very interested in learning more. She directed me to read this. I have all my life listened to my heart and paid high attention to moments of synchronicity, which has been almost constant. As a kid (and still) I dream things in advance, mostly audio, but a few times seeing it in my dreams. I haven't ever bought a deck dealing with faeries. Why I bring that up, you will see how that fits for me shortly here. I have lately been drawn to the Faeries' Oracles and I didn't understand this pull to it. Finally so drawn, I just days ago found and placed a fairy/faery as my desktop image. Joe-Anne, have you found any reason that you are aware of that is the bowling ball connection to you yet? I am believing the spirits that gave you so much of that night is connecting you and me, or at least in part of the meanings of that night. Plus I can share the faeries bit too. I think that may be a just me part unless you tell me of something that you have associated with that too. As I stated Jo-Anne and I have been in discussion lately. I have several interest other than tarot and psychic-wise, but the one constant that is very strong with me is BOWLING. My husband and I bowling all year long, every year. We are leauge bowlers. Other than that I am not sports minded. I believe the bowling ball was me, the hockey stick is her, due to her sons playing it and I have sand dollars and sea shells. However the sand dollars may be meaning sea/luna/spiritual things as the High Priestess. The main thing is the name of her spirit guide. This I sense is the connection for me of late being drawn to the faeries things. Okay, about Alesha, this is the way I was taught to spell it, spoken as "A-lee-sha". This was suppose to have been my birth name. My mother had her heart set on it, but my Father wouldn't hear of it. Mother always loved it and wanted so much to name me this. This name was held with a special tenderness between she and I. Recently with Jo-Anne I wrote as an anology about a baby's book. I was writing from the heart and she connected, appreciating this anology. Lastly, the name of my mother, the name she has always been called is Faye. She knew this name "Faye" meant a fairy. It can be faie, feie, fee or fae, meaning a fairy, an enchanted person or an enchanted fairy place. The word is 14th century. So I feel much of that experience may have been a foretelling of the two of us coming together on here. I too believe Alesha/Aleesha is her spirit guide. I know Joe-Anne didn't bring up Faery info. It is a connection of my mother's name, (Faye) and connects with the name she wanted as mine, (Alesha). I do feel this is why drawn to the whole faie thing now. I know I am in need help or input from wise ones on the right and wrong in regard to psychic work, and delevoping a higher level of intuition. I need teaching or some guidance from a willing person online to befriend me and work with me. I guess Mentor me. Or what books do you suggest I should read, if I am to go it alone? Bright Blessings! Ginny

BC Hockey Mom	21 Mar 2003
Ladyginny!!.....DOUBLE WOW!! I can't believe how much we have connected here and how much you have helped me....No the bowling ball made no sense to me at the time other than I used to play on a league when I was a kid and a short time early in my marriage, but other than that it had really no significance..... That's how I found this forum....I had seen a spread on the net with the Quest Cards....fell in love with them and did nothing but research them until I found this site!!...then I did all the reading and posting I could about them, and was so excited that the author of the cards I loved so much was here too!!.... I believe everything happens for a reason and I'm glad I found this site and Ladyginny....she has helped me a great deal with my newness of the tarot...THANK YOU.... My class was cancelled last Tuesday and will pick up again next week. I just got word that March 30 is the day we are going to the haunted house to FEEL spirit. I am very excited about this as I have definately had some experience with FEELING these past few weeks... Thanks everyone for letting me have this spot for sharing my experiences and getting some wonderful feedback...It means a great deal to me.... Blessings Joe-Anne

BC Hockey Mom	01 Apr 2003
Hi guys and gals....Havn't written for a while. Our class was cancelled a couple weeks ago, and last class we worked on Pendulums and dowsing rods. That was real cool. I got a new pendulum made out of Advendureen (spelling) it's supposed to bring good luck, money!...So far it's working. I keep winning on my lottery tickets..not a lot, but a lot more than I ever won in the past. I've been able to get quite a few answers from my pendulum. BUT I'm having trouble as I CAN control it. So I have to be real careful not to make it answer what I WANT the answer to be, because I can change it just by thinking! It's so strange! but it works. My B/F hid my ring somewhere in my house and my homework is that I have to find it. So before I go to class tonight I have to try to find it. Will let you know how it turns out!... I also had a past life regression last Friday. It was wonderful and I wanted to share it with you all so I can hear any feedback you might have. This is the first time I've had one so this is also new to me. Here goes..... I was brought to my regression through meditation and not hypnosis. I was brought by my guide to a place, placed on a bird and flown to a beach. I then melted down into one of my past lives. I have no idea which one but this is how it was..... I was asked to look at my feet and describe what I was wearing, what I was standing on....I was asked alot of questions and instead of writing what was asked and answered I will just give you summary of what happend.... I looked down and saw black shoes, older, worn, with a buckle (square) on top of it. They were almost square toed, and thick heals. I was standing in the middle of a cobblestone road. The bricks in the road were old, broken and had dirt inbetween them. I looked around and saw NO ONE...I felt scared and confused. I started to cry and felt ill in my stomach. I was really crying in my meditation, tears and all. I looked for a mirror on the wall of the buildings, and could not see one..finally saw one but could see no reflection. Looked up my legs and saw black leotards, and a black pleated skirt. I could not see my hands or arms. I felt that I was about 14-16 years old......I saw a green sign on the wall but could not make out any of the words. I was told to go through the door and see what I could see. I saw a long narrow stairwell with walls on both sides. The steps were steep and it smelled musty. I went up the stairs and at the top of the stairs I saw a hallway with a bunch of doors. The doors were old wooden ones with copper knobs with the old style key locks...it was very old and run down looking. I went inside one of the doors and saw a small kitchen, and a cot up against one of the walls. There was another door and I'm not sure if it was the bedroom or a bathroom. The kitchen had very little in it, and looked very poor. I saw no one there, and it felt strange as I looked around for someone. I had not seen anyone to this point. I was all alone. I was then told to go to the next door and knock on it and see who opened it. I did and an older woman with white/grey hair opened it. She kept calling me "Dear" I couldn't hear what she was saying but she was really friendly and seemed to know me and seemed to care about me. I asked her my name and she told me "Yolanda" I then asked her if she had anything to tell me? That's when the emotion started pouring and pouring out of my physically!!!! I was sobbing, and was losing control!! I didn't exactly hear what she was saying but I KNEW...these were the words that came to me. "They're gone" where did they go? "They TOOK them" who took them? "The Men"...all the time I was bawling my eyes out...I felt so lost, sick, horrified, anxious, terrified and in shock. This is when I KNEW what happened. I could almost see the men coming up the stairs, bursting into the room, dragging out my parents (not sure of sibblings??) and taking them away. These were forcefull men, these were Hitler's men. I don't know how I knew this but I did...maybe the old lady told me but all I could do is cry. I was sort of losing it and my regressor tried to bring me back into the street. I did, felt lost, confused. Went into a cafe to try to find a newspaper and look for a date. I couldn't find one, but the 40's kept popping into my head, but because I was self conscious about my history lessons I did not say it out loud for fear that the dates did not coinside with Hitler's time. But that's what popped into my head. I cried in the street, and it was still vacant of anyone. It was like they were all hiding from something. I was there all alone. I could not move any further into that life so I was brought back to today. It took me a while to calm myself, and of course my logical mind tried to negate what had happend and to reationalize it. But as much as I could possible rationalize it there is NO WAY I could reationalize the EMOTION!! That was so very real and I can not pour on the emotion like that. It was IN ME!!...that's what I found so strange! Like I said this is a first for me. I don't want to plant ideas or suggestions in my head, I really want to know the truth about my past lives. This life regression didn't make much sense to me with regard to this life until my regressor gave me some insight. She knows a bit about me and my troubles in this life. She's suggested that it explains why I'm always trying to HELP, make things EASIER, or cushion the FALL for everyone. I don't let them do their OWN lessons. I find it much easier to hurt myself than to hurt OTHERS!! She says that this could be the reason, as I was NOT able to protect my family in the past life, and there was nothing that I could have done to protect them. But now I'm protecting EVERYONE!! does this make any sense? Actually it problably wouldn't unless you knew me a bit better. Anyway..that's the regression. I would love any thoughts, feedback, or insight to this regression. Thanks for listening... BC Hockey Mom

zorya	01 Apr 2003
wow! (i'm speechless)

Wisp Wings	02 Apr 2003
Hi Joe-Anne! I haven't had one of these done. I do believe it them. I personally feel the ones where you are put under and it is revealed may be better. I have read a few books on the subject before. So from that base, here is a few things that is always done from follow-up on a regression. Take it apart, literally pick it apart from the original words/statements that you gained from it. Use these to find evidences/proof/lack of proof in searching out and attempt to verify the validity of the life. From your's I am quoting parts of your statement. Within the brackets is my words. I looked down and saw black shoes, older, worn, with a buckle (square) on top of it. They were almost square toed, and thick heals. Looked up my legs and saw black leotards, and a black pleated skirt. I felt that I was about 14-16 years old. [ so you are a teen-ager girl. check to see if this manner of shoes/dress was common in that time period there.] I was standing in the middle of a cobblestone road. [not sure if cobblestone and a brick street is the same, but you gave detail to the brick and dirt street.] The bricks in the road were old, broken and had dirt inbetween them. I saw a green sign on the wall but could not make out any of the words. the door .... I saw a long narrow stairwell with walls on both sides. The steps were steep and it smelled musty. I went up the stairs and at the top of the stairs I saw a hallway with a bunch of doors. The doors were old wooden ones with copper knobs with the old style key locks [all of this, i would check to see were buildings such as this there in that period of history.] She kept calling me "Dear" [you didn't really state where the location was, just the description of the street, the building and a cafe, but hilter's men took your family. for the old lady to call you "dear", most likely it would mean that she, you or the both of you were english or from an english speaking country.] I couldn't hear what she was saying but she was really friendly and seemed to know me and seemed to care about me. I asked her my name and she told me "Yolanda" [i did a name search for you on this. it reads.... yolanda f english pronounced: yo-lawn-da the meaning of this name is not known for certain, but it is possibly connected to the french name violante which means "violet". the "dear" and the "yolanda"...both are english words. so fits that you were english again. i do wonder why that she was left in the building, or perhaps she came back to the building as you arrived after the fact.] I KNEW what happened. I could almost see the men coming up the stairs, bursting into the room, dragging out my parents (not sure of sibblings??) and taking them away. These were forcefull men, these were Hitler's men. [i somewhat question this all as being a real regression. i am not saying it is not one. however, you do know in this that both of your parent were took. most of what i have read and especially in a forced situation as this one is ....... you would know whether or not you had sibblings. there were no sibblings directly addressed, so maybe there was no sibblings, if this was a true past life.] but the 40's kept popping into my head, but because I was self conscious about my history lessons I did not say it out loud for fear that the dates did not coinside with Hitler's time. But that's what popped into my head. [time line is correct.] Like I said this is a first for me. I don't want to plant ideas or suggestions in my head, I really want to know the truth about my past lives. This life regression didn't make much sense to me with regard to this life until my regressor gave me some insight. [i agree about wanting truth for you.] She knows a bit about me and my troubles in this life. She's suggested that it explains why I'm always trying to HELP, make things EASIER, or cushion the FALL for everyone. I don't let them do their OWN lessons. I find it much easier to hurt myself than to hurt OTHERS!! She says that this could be the reason, as I was NOT able to protect my family in the past life, and there was nothing that I could have done to protect them. But now I'm protecting EVERYONE!! does this make any sense? Actually it problably wouldn't unless you knew me a bit better. [ i think she was grasping to form-fit the pieces into the jigsaw for you. you could be all of the above just because this is the person you are naturally, period. also with this being meditation, this may be only something that the universe is wanting you to see and learn from for you at this time in your current life, having nothing to do with a past life lived. personally, i feel that all of us could relate to this with the war that is happening now. even the most removed from this war, has to have feelings of the loss and traumas that war brings. joe-anne, i am not demeaning this event you had. you did say you were after truth. i don't know if you can find it with this. i guess try as i suggested on validations and above all keep a strong, solid yet opened mind. light and love, ginny ]

zorya	02 Apr 2003
hi joe-anne, here is a current thread called 'reincarnation stories' from the study group section, that you might be interested in; http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7664 just a thought..... i'm not so sure that people necessarily hear their past lives in their former languages. i suspect they sometimes 'hear' what is said in a language they can understand. ... so what they hear is not so much the actual spoken words, but the 'meaning' of what was said. if they are currently english speakers it is likely that that meaning or understanding, translates into english in the brain. or maybe not :laugh:

BC Hockey Mom	03 Apr 2003
Thank you LadyGinny for your opinion on my regression. I see you did a great deal of analyzing on this and I appreciate your opinion. As I said earlier, this is all new to me and I am naturally pulling all of this apart to see if it fits for me. On the most part it does!! I have not been able to shake the extreme emotion that I felt during my realization of my family being taken. It was total shock, and horror. This emotion came from somewhere!! I also said that I did not hear the woman speak the words "dear". It was like I KNEW what she was saying. I agree with Zorya here, where it was known to me in the language I could understand. Otherwise I'm sure I would have HEARD the words as they were spoken, and in this case i did not actually HEAR the words, it was more a knowing....It's real hard to explain!! I understand what you are saying about getting validation on my reading. I will do this and have been working it over in my mind as well. Wether it was real or not, it was real for me! And I believe that it was shown to me for a reason! I believe my guides needed me to see this and because I was not able to see things like the mirror, the sign, my looks, I KNOW I was not conguring things up in my mind or I would have congured these things up as well. It was like I was only allowed to see certain parts. I did not SEE my family being taken, but I KNEW they were and could see it from the knowing...I understand that is hard to explain but it's how it happened. I cannot explain it, I just wanted to share it with everyone and receive their feedback. I appreciate your opinions...thank you... BC Hockey Mom

Wisp Wings	03 Apr 2003
In reply, Joe-Anne it was real for you. It may well have been a life you've lived. On the language bit of it, you are right in often is a sensing, just a knowing of it. It can be as Zorya and you spoke of being in your language in this life. I have read accounts of while under deep that a person is speaking a language totally unknown to them and is recorded. It fits with what country or nationality and time period that they gave as to where they were living when first going into the trance state, while still talking in their current language. So I guess it can go both ways. It is however the mind choices to retrive it. I said that I have never been regressed, so I can't speak much on this topic. With that said, I will toss out a case and cause of wonderment. Has anyone heard of, know the meaning of, or can truly psychic intune to these words and comment on them....... (spelling isn't known so spelling them out as they sound) ............. NEE-SHE-WA. This next may be a longer version of the same word or a slightly or totally different meaning... CO-NEE-SHE-WA. Lastly that I can remember at present is WA-DUH-TALL-SHE. There is two more words that escape me at the moment. The first two listed here are words that over years when I allow my mind to wander off they come to me. Even sometimes in prayer these words envade my mentality. As far as I know, I have never seen or known of these words as being something or a someone or anything. What are these? A place? My own name or family members of a past life? Is these names names of my spirit guides? After any input I will tell of what I sense on one of these names, how it has affected me. Joe-Ann I hope you receive what it is all that is being shared or learnt from such a sad regression you experienced. I wish you peace and happiness. I do fully believe we are all imprinted with information of lifes lived, our own and others as well as places of great meanings for us. Bright Blessings, Ginny

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