Learning Witchcraft
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 14 Mar 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Amythist |
14 Mar 2003 |
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USE THIS T HREAD IF YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT WITCHCRAFT
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| Amythist |
14 Mar 2003 |
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it is more powerful to write your own spells or just the same as using a spell book
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| zorya |
14 Mar 2003 |
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that would depend on your knowledge and experience. intent is the key. to not be careful in how you word a spell, can leave you with unexpected or unintended results.
the authors of a good spell book, will probably have a very good understanding and relationship with the elements and directions. they will have knowledge of plants, moon phases, color etc. the use of such things is not necessary but it does lend a kind of 'power' to your spell.
there are those who may disagree that you need any props or tools at all... that intent is everything. i do not argue the power of intent.... however, ritual does help. it brings focus. you get out of a spell what you put into it. don't want to bother with the extras? how can you expect the 'powers that be' to bother with your spell?
but then there is also a danger in using some spellbooks. be careful of which books you use.
remember that what you put out, comes back to you! and never try to impose on anothers free will.
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| coldsuns |
16 Mar 2003 |
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can anyone put spells under this thread? I wanna cast some spells..hehe!
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| Amythist |
16 Mar 2003 |
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do what you like with it. Hey only white magic remenber what comes around goes around. Only cast a nice spell to bring me my move and to make me rich lol. I write my own spells and make my own wands.
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| coldsuns |
16 Mar 2003 |
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I'm completely lost about witchcraft spells. What ingredients and tools needed? How to make a real true own wand? Anyone can guide me?
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| Amythist |
16 Mar 2003 |
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The ingredients is your choice. As a wand you can exchange for 1 of mine that i have honestly made myself and then you can start from that. the main things you need for a spell is
1 chant power of the gods and godess and what you want to say
chant it about 3 times.
1 crystal wand
1 pentagram
1 candle
1 crystal
1 pendulum
I cant explain how i have my wants as i dont know. lol
hope this helps
i have an exchanged colum have a look there as well. You made some of them.
wand get a twig or small branch. and a crystal and try to scrape out the branch till the crystal fits in (branch must be bigger. ) make sure the crystal is a accurate point but small. being careful pit super gule to hold the crystal and then varnish the wand. i know it works. I Hope this helps
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| coldsuns |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Can i have a picture? What crystal should i put? I dont understand what pentagram and pendulum is. Thanks anyway!
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| Amythist |
16 Mar 2003 |
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A pentagram is your protction.
The crystal pont is Down to you and are you drawn to it.
Pendulum you need to learn how it works. You should ask it what is my yes and stick with that 1 direction. I have no scanner to show you.
The best thing you can do is do in to a crystal Store and ask.
I have a book to trade that will tell all about how to work magic and what a pendulum is.
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| coldsuns |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Can you actually type the important points and put it here? I'm hoping to know more so i can call myself a wiccan! hehe..=PpP
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| wavebreaker |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Coldsuns: how about getting some more information about witchcraft first before starting to cast spells, just to try and find out if witchcraft is for you? Just casting a few spells doesn't make you a witch or wiccan.
Personally, I think these things shouldn't be taken lightly...
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| coldsuns |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Yep yep..thats why i need to know many many more. So i hope you guys can teach me many many more and it might take years before i call myself one! ^_^
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| wavebreaker |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Here's an older thread you might find useful. It lists several books on wicca and witchcraft.
Also, if you go to the first page of this forum and scroll all the way down to the bottom page, you'll find a "Search this forum" field on the right side. Type in "witchcraft" or "wicca" and I'm sure you'll find lots of older threads on the subject.
Have fun! ;)
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| coldsuns |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Thanks alot! Long articles..i will read it when i've the time. In Singapore not much people learn witchcrafts as it take a long time and it doesnt help you earn money. Singaporeans are much more pratical about $$ and they are too stressful to learn such things..
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| Amythist |
16 Mar 2003 |
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i have told you what you need to know you must remeber you are young and that it is hard to learn wicca. I told you what you need to know so you now have to follow you guides and heart. Bye a book or something if i am not helping you. To do spells to call your self a warlock is no excuse. If not used properly then it is dangerous
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| coldsuns |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Hm..ok. I'm quite blur now. Anyway what will happen if a spell fail? ANd what you mean follow heart and guides? Can someone help me find my Spirit Guide or Angel Guardian?
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| Maan |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Coldsuns i can imagine that you are eagerly to do a spell or even lost of them But witchcraft ( IMO) is not all about spells. I catually know a lot of witches that never do spells.
It might be a good idea to first try to get familiar with the ideas behind wicca and read alot. I recommend "witchcrafting" by Phyllis Curott.
It might be years until you feel up to doing a spell. It took me about 2.5 years and still don't do spell's often.
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| coldsuns |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Ok..i just quite curious and wanna try a spell. Actually a easy one will do. But never mind, i'll continue my Tarot and Crystal "improvement"..hehe! Anyway i've already done the worst that even witches wont do ---Ouija Board. =X But i know you guys want me good ^_^ I'm glad to have good friends l
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| angelwhispers |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Originally posted by coldsuns
Ok..i just quite curious and wanna try a spell. Actually a easy one will do. But never mind, i'll continue my Tarot and Crystal "improvement"..hehe! Anyway i've already done the worst that even witches wont do ---Ouija Board. =X But i know you guys want me good ^_^ I'm glad to have good friends l
coldsuns, if you want to try a spell have you looked into Tarot Spells? You're already studying the Tarot so why not use the cards for spellwork but its still not to be taken lightly.
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| Kiama |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Hi Coldsuns,
You have some very valid questions about Witchcraft. Firstly, you ask what spell ingreidents you need, and forgive me if I disagree with TooCool, but I have a different view on this. What TooCool lists seem more like ritual ingredients than spell ingredients. For a spell you don't really need anything, as long as you have need, and intent, oh and energy. Basically, casting a spell is an act of magick :It is the art and science of focussing your will and energy in order to obtain a desired goal.
So, if you wanted to do a spell for good grades, you could meditate on it, you could simply sit and chant, 'raise power' which you will then send out to the Universe kinda like a prayer, with you 'I want good grades' wish 'attached' to it. The crystals, statues, incense, wands etc, are only tools for focus which you may find useful to get you in the right mood, but which aren't necessary for performing a good spell. Often I find as long as I am focussing with true need upon my desire, and as long as I put the energy in, it will work. Try using wind or water, or sand or the sea aswell... Get outside in Nature where the real magick is (Of course, don't forget that the real magick is in YOU, not in tools such as wands or crystals!).
And the thing to remember is that there is no point in casting a spell for good grades for instance, if you're not actually gonna bother studying or revising! :D You need to carry through with your spell by actively trying to make it work in the real world.
The thing with spells is that the ingredients and actions are meaningless essentially, and are merely tools for getting YOU (The REAL ingredient!) to do the spell properly! The magick is in you, not in anything else.
I'll post some good sites about Witchcraft for you later when I find them, and I hope this helps.
Kiama
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| jema |
16 Mar 2003 |
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ah Kiama - a beacon of light in the dark:)
i too think it is really important that you sit down and try to first define what magick is and how it works and why before attempting to use it.
now i am also of the opinion that if you don't know what you are doing your spell will just fizzle out and not cause any change at all...
spells are all about directing your Will
while we can all inscribe candles, roll them in herbs light them and read verses it is just a show if we don't activly use our Will with intent to make a change.
spells take work. you have to prepare before you do them, know exactly what you are doing and why and you must follow through on them afterwards.
spells are not a shortcut.
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| Amythist |
16 Mar 2003 |
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Even though i use ingredients along with a friend. I only go by my instinct and that is ritals but they work so i am not complaining. I will one day try using my mind but i also like to put my magic into something and focus on that 1 thing. I write my own ritals but i also call them magic. Asi once braught a spell with ritals attched i have always gone by that. You can use the power in your mind like i did once and found out a little while later i could heal. So i do agree with both ways.
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| truthsayer |
16 Mar 2003 |
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an important thing to realize about practicing witchcraft or wicca is that don't believe what you see on television. there are so many tv programs that involve people who use magic with mind blowing results. for example, wish for an ice cream cone and one appears. then there's shows like charmed or buffy the vampire slayer that hints a reality but in truth is mostly imagination of the writer. these shows ask questions and resolve issues like a soap opera but with magical results. these shows are adventuresome, fun, and exciting particularly if you lead an otherwise boring life.
if you want to be a witch you really need to know what being one means. it's not about fighting demons, ouiji boards, tarot cards, or casting spells. it is a life style of living in harmony with the earth and all our relations of the animal and plant kingdoms. it's about being responsible for the gifts the Mother has given us and working with kindred spirits for the greater good of all. it's about being involved in healing ourselves, others, and the earth.
playing around with spells when you haven't reached a point of understanding the above concepts to your soul and life activities, is like playing with a loaded gun. you could accidentally harm yourself or someone else. learning to use spells is a responsibility not a game.
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| Martin |
17 Mar 2003 |
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Hello!
The witchcraft posts! They are always such a mess and very rarely get anywhere! The first problem is that witchcraft is a very difficult thing to pin down. If you are talking about wicca, well that's a modern construct and has specific origins and structure, if you are talking about witchcraft, then you could be talking about any number of paths.
You can't say all witches believe in a form of karma or ethical code, because they don't! You need only cast an eye back in history to discover that besides leechcraft etc, the main activity of many witches was cursing and curse lifting (oftentimes being used as a means to extract money from the local inhabitants!). I would also argue that spells are an intrinsic part of witchcraft, although not necesarily of wicca. The former could be seen more as a practice than a spirituality, and I'm sure if you went back in time there would be very few "witches" as we term them now who believed that their practice was a way of developing their spiritual selves!
"The thing with spells is that the ingredients and actions are meaningless essentially, and are merely tools for getting YOU (The REAL ingredient!) to do the spell properly! The magick is in you, not in anything else."
This is a very modern view, and not necesarily true. It seems to have come about to make magic acceptable to a society lacking the ability to believe in any intelligence or power that isn't human based.
I personally believe that all of nature is alive and teeming with intelligence, and that the art of discovering the occult virtue of natural items and learning to work with them is as valid as that type of magic which uses nothing but the self.
The other modern presumption that seems to be getting more prevalent is that magic can only be used for change of mental states, and not the corporeal world. Well, surely if the whole world is energy made manifest, then how can one say that working with the same energy cannot have physical effect? Magic can alter the world in proportion to the effort put in, it isn't some sort of NLP.
As for newcomers trying out magic, well I fear less for the effect of the spell than the persons own sanity. Magic isn't easy to perform, as those who practice it will know. The skills that need honing and developing for magic to work at all can take a long time, and the exercises are quite arduous, and to believe that someone with no experience or know-how will manage to cause some huge result is quite laughable. From my experience the only end result of dabblers is that they either frighten themselves stupid or their spell has no result and so they conclude magic doesn't work, and go onto something else.
Just my experiences and thoughts in my usual blunt way!
Martin
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| Sulis |
17 Mar 2003 |
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Originally posted by Martin
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The skills that need honing and developing for magic to work at all can take a long time, and the exercises are quite arduous, and to believe that someone with no experience or know-how will manage to cause some huge result is quite laughable. From my experience the only end result of dabblers is that they either frighten themselves stupid or their spell has no result and so they conclude magic doesn't work, and go onto something else.
Just my experiences and thoughts in my usual blunt way!
Martin
Well said Martin, couldn`t agree more.
Love and light
Crystalmynx xx
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| Kiama |
17 Mar 2003 |
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Originally posted by Martin
"The thing with spells is that the ingredients and actions are meaningless essentially, and are merely tools for getting YOU (The REAL ingredient!) to do the spell properly! The magick is in you, not in anything else."
This is a very modern view, and not necesarily true. It seems to have come about to make magic acceptable to a society lacking the ability to believe in any intelligence or power that isn't human based.
I personally believe that all of nature is alive and teeming with intelligence, and that the art of discovering the occult virtue of natural items and learning to work with them is as valid as that type of magic which uses nothing but the self.
The reason why I said the thing you quoted is simply because many people make the mistake of believing that they have NO power at all, when they do. I agree with you that nature itself contains magick aswell, but I have observed that people just starting out with magick and witchcraft tend to just see the magick outside of themselves, totally ignoring the magick within them, which is a vital part of any magical action. Yes, there are the elements and herbs and stuff within nature that we can use because of the magick contained therein, but try explaining that, PLUS the idea of power and magick within, to a teenager just starting out. I was one of them not too long ago, and my little sister is currently going through it right now.
The magick of the self, and the magick of nature, coincide with each other, and it is always best to try and use both, but you've got to admit, if you aren't using the self part, there is no magick to speak of!
Kiama
PS- Martin, I love it when you join in the discussions! :D:*
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| cjtarot |
17 Mar 2003 |
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Hi all,
My 2 cents (keep in mind, I have little knowledgable at all in this field).
I have cast candle spells, even though I knew just enough to do it. I am Christian, so my spell (desire) was directed to God. And yes it did work exactly as I had hoped, because like kiama had said you don't just cast then sit back, you have to actually try to make it come true..the old saying "God (or Goddess)helps those who help themselves" is true.
For me, in the simplest terms, spells are prayers with props..and props (I AM NOT DEMEANING SPELLCASTING BY ANY MEANS..IT IS NOT SOMETHING TO TAKE LIGHTLY) help us remember just what we want to accomplish and help us to remember to meditate, pray, chant on it more than just 1 time (my candle spells have taken up to 7 days and some were done on specific days) - like you would do with a simple single prayer.
WICCA/WITCHCRAFT/PAGANISM are not for me even though I have stolen a few concepts and added them to my own personal path, BUT they are RELIGIONS..and not something that should be dabbled in..your beliefs are sacred and should NEVER be taken lightly...Collect all the knowledge you can, make your choice and then Live your beliefs. You'll be amazed how wonderful it feels to find the right "Almight" and way of worship.
Blessings to all who have found their path and those still searching
CJ
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| coldsuns |
17 Mar 2003 |
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Ok..i have an idea what to do now.
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| HudsonGray |
17 Mar 2003 |
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"From my experience the only end result of dabblers is that they either frighten themselves stupid or their spell has no result and so they conclude magic doesn't work, and go onto something else."
Oh, I SO agree with that! They don't look into the basics of HOW to do things so nothing works, or it fizzles faintly & they're discouraged. Instead of starting over or really finding out how they're supposed to be doing it they get discouraged. Probably for the best, if they don't have the patience or the will to learn, they'd never be any good at it.
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| coldsuns |
18 Mar 2003 |
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Originally posted by HudsonGray
"From my experience the only end result of dabblers is that they either frighten themselves stupid or their spell has no result and so they conclude magic doesn't work, and go onto something else."
Oh, I SO agree with that! They don't look into the basics of HOW to do things so nothing works, or it fizzles faintly & they're discouraged. Instead of starting over or really finding out how they're supposed to be doing it they get discouraged. Probably for the best, if they don't have the patience or the will to learn, they'd never be any good at it.
I agree with you. Many of my friends started witchcraft but end up failing. They gave up. They only tried it once. They say witchcrafts are for naive people. I dont agree with it. Coz what they saw is only the "top" of witchcraft but not the whole thing about it.
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| coldsuns |
18 Mar 2003 |
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I found a website with Black and White Magics. Just to share it with you guys.
www.spellsandmagic.com
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| Macavity |
18 Mar 2003 |
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Hmmm... from that site:
"Now the good stuff... sacrifice for conjuring of Demonic Beings. Now for the Truly brave Sorcerer, he will use his own blood which I myself am accustom to. But the norm is to use that of an animal. For instance, using white doves or chickens. There are many different animals that can be used according to who you are conjuring up. Remember if they are virgin animals, it is all the more pleasing to the Entity."
On the other hand...
"Remember... never torture an animal! Those of you whom like to go to into the woods and kill black cats because you think you are a Devil worshiper or that it is the cool thing to do on Halloween... I HOPE YOU DIE A VIOLENT DEATH! MAY THE BLACKEST OF DARKNESS SMITE YOU DOWN INTO THE GROUND!"
But he goes on to state:
"I Puzuzu Support President Bush and the U.S. War against Iraq. God Bless our troops and their families at home."
Ah well, that's alright then ;)
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| Diana |
18 Mar 2003 |
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ROFLMAO
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| coldsuns |
18 Mar 2003 |
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-.-' Do you know why people hate black cats and think they are unluck? The story goes like this-
Long time ago, there is a group of super heros.
They call themselves
Superman Batman Ultraman
Opps..wrong story! *flick*flick*
Here it is..the story goes like this
Once a there is a white witch living in the hut somewhere in the forest. The people in the town call her ,"wicked witch". Whenever they saw her, they will try to avoid her.
One day, a man and his son were plucking some herbs and they saw a black cat with cripple leg. The 2nd day when they when to pluck herbs again, they saw the "wicked witch" with cripple leg too. Since then, they believe that black cats are transform from witches and started to burn black cats ALIVE!
*sad*sad* Poor kitty..=X
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| Kiama |
18 Mar 2003 |
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Interesting bit of info: Did you know that in many countries, the black cat is also considered LUCKY? I think it is so in England, where I am, and to have a black cat cross your path is lucky. Well, it's only a superstition, and I don't believe in it, but it's interesting to compare superstitions around the world nonetheless.
Kiama
PS- Macavity: I agree with you. The site is... Diabolically funny. I found it a few days ago and didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
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| Macavity |
18 Mar 2003 |
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Yes, Kiama - had my fur bristling for a while. But there's something to be said for the "sure 'nuff" nutter ;) The guy is (apparently) 43 years old too... Now back to that bridge I was hiding under - Hmmm It seems to be getting awfully crowded under here... })
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| Amythist |
18 Mar 2003 |
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Originally posted by coldsuns
I found a website with Black and White Magics. Just to share it with you guys.
www.spellsandmagic.com
I would be careful with Black Magic If I was you i would keep well clear of it.
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| coldsuns |
18 Mar 2003 |
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In some countries, crows are unlucky animals. They eat rotten food and are in black colour. Whenever crow/s stand outside your house, prepare to have something bad happen!! ~>,<~
Is a very "rock" website. I dont really like about the graphics but only the spells i'm intersted about ^_^
I never dare to try or make a black magic. I dont want to hurt/harm someone. I will only try heal/protection/money/luck magic ^_-
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| zorya |
18 Mar 2003 |
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that's good that you don't want to harm anyone coldsuns. clearly you see that doing that kind of magic is wrong. so why would you want to learn from someone who teaches such things?
you have been given the urls of several good websites to learn from. the list kiama gave you is excellent.
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| coldsuns |
18 Mar 2003 |
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The website teaches you good and bad. I'll only take in the good and not the bad. But you can actually take the bad as a referance. And learn something new. But not to use it can harm people. ^_^
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