Need help with white lights...

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 18 Mar 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

CastleRock	18 Mar 2003
Hello, I'm new here and need some help with a particular "issue". Last May, I started noticing white lights in the corners of my eyes. I dont really know how to describe it. They are round and I see them travelling down in the corners of my eyes, even when my eyes are closed. Not only that, but many times, at night, I see purple and green shapes, and my vision gets messed up. It was happening so often during the day, that I freaked out. I went to see two different eye doctors who told me that my eyes are totally normal. Does anyone know what they could be? Does it have to do with spiritual awakening or something similar? I'm very confused... any help would be appreciated.

HudsonGray	18 Mar 2003
Did you ask the vision doctor about floaters in your eyes? Usually they're black or gray & they drift (or stay in one place), but it's small bits of detrius that are in the fluid of the eyeball, we all have them. Some have more than others. I'm assuming the doctors were looking for damage to the retina & back of the eye, or for cataracts. But if you go a gain, ask if they see floaters--the larger pieces are easily seen by their equipment & they can tell you a bit more about them. I'd be concerned, as you say, about your night vision. If your eyes are getting screwed up by all this, it might be worth having another doctor check you out & insist on an answer from him. You're not exposed to chemicals on a regular basis are you? If your inner eyes are clear & your receptors at the back of the eye are firing properly & not scarred or disattached (a sharp blow to the head can tear them, though they generally heal pretty fast) I don't know what else to suggest. Just to be safe--get another eye doctor to look, but describe everything before hand and question him about everything. Even ask if it's possible that pressure is being put on the back of the eye & causing this. I really don't think it's spiritually related, I've never heard of it happening this way.

AYIN	18 Mar 2003
Did anything happen last May you think could have instigated this? There is an effect sometimes referred to a 'snow'. I personally would link it to a hightened spiritual state. It shows best with an inability to see black, there is always a type of 'electrical' snow. Similar to a detuned T.V only softer. Darkness is no longer pitch black. Tired eyes also have the flickering effect.

CastleRock	18 Mar 2003
I didn't give all the details earlier. I went through so many changes last year... and I only recently found out that I might be going through spiritual awakening.(or Kundalini rising?--> I don't know much about this subject) But last summer was the weirdest. Like I said, I started noticing white lights, sometimes very vivid, and this happened maybe 20-30 times a day. So, naturally, I got worried. Not only that, I also experienced physical symptoms. For example, pain in my hands(joints). At night, I would try to sleep, but I would get a strange feeling of floating, and I would feel faint and panic and get out of bed to make it go away. I really thought I was physically ill or something. Even my dreams were affected by all this... I remember dreaming of fire. However, I haven't been sick in over a year(no cold, nothing), which is strange for me. Also, I had the sensation of being pulled out of my body, but I kept fighting it. I actually do remember astral travelling, but it was in a dream. Things have calmed down for now... but I still see those white lights, travelling... I read somewhere that it might be my higher self... anyone heard of that? So, I really don't know what to make of all this...

coldsuns	19 Mar 2003
Are you having haullcation? I guess you need to see a mental doctor. Is hard to say. Or are you too stress? I also experience floating feeling during sleeping. This is normal for everyone. But for the rest of fighting against something and ... You just move into a new house?? I guess..you are haunted!! =X

HudsonGray	19 Mar 2003
Well, rule out the physical first--the floating sensation also comes when you get an inner ear infection (I've had a few, they're not fun). If your diet is ok (not missing out on trace elements & vitamins) and you haven't been exposed to chemicals in the workplace or at home, and an annual physical comes through ok, then maybe there's something online about Kundalini that can help. The hand problem though, that sort of thing shows up with joint stresses, some deficiencies, and a number of other things, so it could be interrelated with the rest. A standard blood test/blood work by the doctor can give you a good baseline on things happening in your body. Some of what you said were things a friend complained about when she was borderline diabetic, but her hair was falling out too....(partial thyroid problem, they all came on at once, she weighed over 280 pounds). I'm not saying that's what's happening to you, but it's a good idea to get a good once over by a doctor just in case. The faster anything is caught, usually the easier it is to get rid of or treat. (Quick test, do you have white spots on your fingernails? That's a sign of deficiencies-they had some info on a PBS station about that recently).

Athara	19 Mar 2003
I have the feeling that you came here for a possible spiritual explanation. I understand that the physical side is thoroughly investigated, but let's see it from the other side. Do you know the Faery's Oracle? There's a specific board about that on this forum. Some people who use it, and lay contact with the Fey experience the same as you do. You might try asking it there. But don't outrule the physical side yet! Good luck, Athara

jlbvt	19 Mar 2003
Does all that stuff happen when you are in the house? You should also check and rule out Carbon Monoxide, which can make you feel sick, faint, and also affect your vision. I hope it is nothing bad!

zorya	19 Mar 2003
i really feel that you should not dismiss the possiblility of this being a physical problem just yet. there is a big difference in "eye doctors" and their training. an optometrist is a doctor of optometry but not a physician. they diagnose and treat visual problems. an opthomologist is a medical doctor who specializes in eye care. they deal with surgery and diseases of the eye. they also tend to give more comprehensive care. if you went to an optometrist i would highly recommend seeing an opthomologist. i'm by no means an expert, but as i understand it, flashes of light can be a symptom of retina detachment which is a very serious problem. as others has suggested, grey floating specks are called floaters and do not present a health risk. (hudsongrey; white spots on the nails are a sign of a zinc deficiency)

RAVENAL	19 Mar 2003
I agree with the good advice from everyone on this thread...and certainly go for a second and even a third opinion...see a specialist for your eyes and a thoruogh physical exam with blood testing is needed to confirm or rule out the physical explanations... but from my own experience it could certainly be kundilini rising...psychic opening...and though I haven't read the thread about the Fey and know nothing of this deck... fairy/elemental energy appears to me as small balls of white and various colored light...they flit around in the open...not in my eyes but in my surrounding enviornment...some friends connected to this energy often see them this way too...but some of my psychic friends see or have their guides come in as images from the edges/sides of their vision... recently my daughter was temporalily put on a medication which did this to her vision but it has since dissappeared...I know if I am doing allot of psychic/spiritual/healing work that my body can become depleted of the essential minerals/salts etc...I have seen flickering points of light when this happens and replacing cellsalts...bioplasm, the full complement of 12...or sometimes only a few...will eliminate this problem for me...I now muscle test and use them as needed for maintenance and do not let myself get depleted...a good nutritionist or naturopath can help you if this is the case...

HudsonGray	19 Mar 2003
ZINC! Ahh, that's it! I was thinking B-12 or one of the B complex but it didn't feel right so I didn't specify. I'm addicted to those PBS nature & medical shows! Yes, always rule out the mundane first, then look to the spiritual.

CastleRock	19 Mar 2003
Here's the thing. I know that I'm going through many changes. I am almost positive that there is nothing physically wrong with me. I failed to write earlier, that I actually went to 2 retina specialists(the second one is the best retina specialist around here, and I was lucky enough to get an appointment with him). They both dilated my eyes and thouroughly checked the back of my eyes, the retina... and assured me that my eyes are perfectly fine. My dreams are telling me that I'm going through changes, possibly spiritual healing. In fact, a few weeks ago, I died in my dream(it felt very real, freaky). I think it has to do with letting go of the past and healing. Like I said, I have been experiencing symptoms of astral travel, but I keep fighting it because of my fears and such. At night, I sometimes here a voice calling out my name(no, I'm not crazy). I read that it could be my higher self. I really don't know what to make of this. I am physically healthy (haven't been sick in a long time).

AYIN	19 Mar 2003
Has there been any characters or symbols in your dreams that you feel where/are important? Do you have any specific idea of any force you may be playing with? Have you felt any names for the voice? Have you had any out of body experiences (o.b.e's)? Your experience of being pulled out of the body often comes with a feeling of paralysis. This is often the part that can cause the most terror. The fear does diminish with every event. To me it certainly sounds like an initiation, hold your nerve, you are being well served by an "astral" guardian. Have you started a magic diary?

HudsonGray	19 Mar 2003
Dying in your dreams like that is one of the signs of advancing spiritually & emotionally to the next level. In the book Women Who Run With The Wolves it even touches on that--it's a classic shaman stage where the person is literally killed, stripped down to bare bones, then rebuilt from the bones up into a new person. Freaky, but not dangerous, it's all literal and figurative. You do sound like you're moving on to the next stage. You can avoid the astral travel, but I'd recommend meditation of some kind to either ask a guide or a copy of yourself what's happening and where things are going. Make a conscious decision on whether or not you want to follow through with the new changes, or to postpone it for a while, and that should stop the weirdness. There's some good info on astral travel over at: http://www.psipog.net/activepsy/contents.html that might be able to help you. Go over the 'basic skills' section too. Luck!

CastleRock	19 Mar 2003
Thanks for all the advice. AYIN: I have been paying special attention to my dreams lately. A few animals have appeared... a bat kept attacking me in one dream, and I kept throwing it away(later on in that dream, my brother shot me with a gun, and I actually felt death, my body being paralyzed, it was weird... then I woke up with a start). In another dream, I was tormeting a cat, throwing it around, and it got really angry at me, threatened me, it actually talked. I did experience astral travel once, but it happened in a dream. It felt real, but I'm not sure if it really happened. It was not a good experience, though I can't remember what happened. HudsonGray: I really do want to move on to the next stage. It just feels like a lot is happening, and I do think differently now, about life. I just don't know where to go from here. Oh, and the voice I hear sounds like mine. Although last year, I remember it sounding like my mother, or other members of my family.

amyel	20 Mar 2003
Castelrock, Your experiences sound very similar to ones I had when I was in my early - mid 30's. "Kundalini Rising" was also mentioned to me, too, but at the time, I could find very little about it. I had similar sensations of floating, seeing lights out of the corner of my eyes, astral travel, dreams where I died - or almost died - hearing things, etc. Yes, I had stress in my life. Yes, I sought medical help (and did uncover some things) but even after treatment, these sensations continued. I thought I was going crazy. But I wasn't. The fact that you want this journey is probably part of the reason it is happening to you now. How do you continue on the path? Well, that's the beauty of it - if you are open to the experiences, they will come. Explore tarot, spirituality, nature, dream analysis, astrology, numerology, runes - whatever *you* are drawn to and feel comfortable with. This path isn't a straight & narrow - it's one full of twists and turns, and all are valuable and meaningful on your journey. Imagine it like backpacking the world with no fixed map or plan - you take this turn and it leads you to wonderful new places or experiences. Don't limit yourself. A spiritual journey or growth is so individualistic, it's hard to say "Do this now" or to work out an agenda. I am a planner, so just wondering on this path itself has been a lesson in release for me. The tighter I tried to plan or control it, the more eluasive it became. Only when I was open did the experiences happen. Now, several years later, I recognize the sensations and am eager for them. I welcome them. Each time it occurs, I know something wonderful will happen. I've learned that sometimes, the path of spiritual growth means hard work and maturation, too. Have fun, and I hope you stay around to share parts of your journey with us!

HudsonGray	20 Mar 2003
There's some VERY VERY good exercises to try in the book 12 Wild Swans, and also in the Witch Crafting book (this one is by Phyllis Currott). See if you can find them at the library or book store & check the exercises out. All of them have you go within yourself with meditation & find something deeply hidden that's ready to change, or to come out, or to be looked at before moving on in your path. They're very powerful. I got stuck on #3 in 12 Wild Swans, but once past it--moved through the rest with new eyes. The authors designed the exercises for situations like these. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Brief History Of Medicine: "I have an earache." 2000 BC - Here, eat this root. 1000 AD - That root is heathen, say this prayer. 1850 AD - That prayer is superstition, drink this potion. 1940 AD - That potion is snake oil, swallow this pill. 1985 AD - That pill is ineffective, take this antibiotic. 2003 AD - That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this root.

CastleRock	20 Mar 2003
Hi, Amyel, thanks for sharing your story. I find it hard to cope with all this, because no one else I know is going through this. I have no one to talk to about these things, and for a while I did think I was losing it. But I read a lot of stuff on the internet, and apparently, many people go through this. Weird thing is, it happened spontaneously, out of nowhere. I never consciously asked for any of this. And that is why for the longest time, I ignored these symptoms, or fought against them. But now I am ready to face all this and hopefully find the truth. I don't know what the white lights are... I had never even heard of faeries appearing as lights... but it makes sense in a way. When I close my eyes, I sometimes see weird faces, some very vivid, but I usually forget them. And I'm pretty sure I heard laughter once, and voices talking... but I couldn't make out what they were saying. HudsonGray, thanks for the book recommendation. I will check that out. I really need a change, hopefully I will be able to get through the exercises.

Trogon	21 Mar 2003
Howdy CastleRock... You have certainly gotten a lot of very good discussion and advice on this matter. I do want to make a couple of comments about eliminating physical problems as a source for these manifestations. The lights in your vision may not have anything to do with your eyes, and still be a physical problem. You might want to consider the possibility of something called an "ocular migraine". This is something which is related to, and can occasionally lead to, migraine headaches. Although they are related, an ocular migraine is not necessarily accompanied by headache pain. In any case it is something you might want to think about and see about ruling out. I occasionally get ocular migraines as well as very bad migraine headaches. For me, on the occasions when I do get an ocular migraine, it does lead to a headache. Fortunately, I don't get them very often. Stress and anxiety might be related to some of your other "symptoms". I certainly don't want to rule out the other possibilities discussed here - in the way of an on-going spiritual awakening and enlightenment process. However, if you are concerned about ruling out physical problems, these are things to consider. Here's a couple of links to information on migraines and ocular migraines. http://www.eyeguys.net/ocularmigraine.html http://www.stlukeseye.com/Conditions/Headache.asp Hopefully your "symptoms" are of a more spiritual origin...

Diana	21 Mar 2003
When I read your post, I also immediately though "ocular migraines". Except I didn't know how to say it in English, so I stayed silent! I really think you should get a second opinion from an eye-specialist. Sometimes doctors can be donkeys and it can be a good idea to go and see another one, in the hope that he is not just hiding his long ears.

CastleRock	21 Mar 2003
Hey, I really do not believe there is anything wrong with my vision. The lights I see are not flashing lights. They are little balls of white light, that travel from up to down, in the corners of my eyes. They only last a few seconds, though they reoccur a few times. But again, they are not flashing lights, like for example disco lights. Flashing lights can lead to eye problems, but in my case, its totally different. When I was at the doctors, I kept insisting that there must be something wrong with my eyes. But now, I have learned so much more... I learn something new everyday, it's great. I have enough evidence to suggest that I am going through something spiritual. And that is why I came to this area of the board. I know that quite a few people go through this, and I wanted to learn more. But thanks for the advice and for your concern.

RAVENAL	21 Mar 2003
CastleRock In response to your pm...YES... that is the perfect description...I do feel more complete...it's like finding lost parts of your self...an integration takes place and you begin remembering, growing and it's very exciting...this is a time of great change for many and for the earth as well...you might get a reading...Umbrae is offering now in the reading section and he is one of the best...just sign up...give him a few details as to what you are going through... or connect with someone else if you find you need a teacher...ask and the source provides...expect it to occur and be open to whatever may appear...it may not be what you imagined or what you wanted but it is the opportunity to get what you need...remember you are never alone...spirit is always here and guidance...be willing to have it manifest in your life for your greater good and do not stress or fear...you are capable and the timing is perfect or this would not be occurring for you... have fun exploring everything you are drawn to...the time of awakening is here...if that doesn't fit do not despair...just keep exploring what calls you and you will find your way...the path is ever before and behind you and all around...there are no missed chances really... as there are so many opportunities...you may find just what you need right away or you may have to search a while...it is all valuable experience... we have selected these lessons/tests/initiations and experiences from other levels of our own being...so have fun...if it seems and feels good than go ahead...trust...if it doesn't than maybe it isn't right for you...but it could just be fear and self doubt for you to overcome...you are off to a good start...you found this forum...try self hypnosis or an affirmation before bed to help remember your dreams...relax...and enjoy...

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