Please Help!!!

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 19 Mar 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

le-mat	19 Mar 2003
The story is somewhat complicated but I'll try to brief it here. I've known this guy for 2 years, but nothing ever happened, we were just friends. Three months ago he broke up with his boyfriend (let's call him John), cause he (the bf) was... well, insane. John has some serious issues and very low self-esteem, so he is overzealous, and wanted to have attention at all times. My friend didn't have time for his own life and just couldn't be with someone mentally unstable. He tried to break up with John several times, but John just didn't get it. Finally, my friend started going out with some other guy, just to make John react. The thing is that John is into magick and divination, so he found out immediatly, before my friend could told him. Time passed, John started to stalk my friend, so he had to move about a month ago. About that time I went to his new apartment and something happened. I don't know what's gonna happen between us from now on... I don't know if I'll start dating him or if we'll be just friends. Now he feels he is under a love spell or something like that, cause he still feels "something" for his ex bf, which is extremely rare in him. He also found some magickal drawings John gave him inside some books. He's afraid, so I did a reading but I couldn't find out if there was a spell or not. I do know John uses some method of divination. Ok, so John is overzealous, wants to get back with my friend, and is into dark magick and divination... and I have a thing with his ex... I'm afraid! Of course I could just walk away, leave my friend alone... but I don't want that, cause the Universe has given me signs... me and my friend have a very special conection, some strange coincidences have happened between us. I know we are in each other's way for some reason, so I want to stay with him. But I'm afraid I'll need some protection... So the questions are: 1) How do I know if my friend is under some spell ? 2) How do I remove the spell if it exists ? 3) How can I protect us both from magick ? 4) How can I prevent John from "spying" on our lives by using divination ? 5) My friend still has some books (occult books I think) and drawings John gave him. Should he return them, bury them, put them in salt...? I'm really confused right now, maybe John doesn't even know how to cast a spell... but i need some advice... Thanks!!!

HudsonGray	19 Mar 2003
NOTHING has power over you magically if you deny it. The more you worry, the more power you assign to something, which is how curses & hexes work, they feed off the people worrying the most. Any shield will block a spell if you know where it's coming from (or who). But I don't think there's spellwork going on here, it seems more mundane & mind games. You can't stop anyone from spying via divination, but what they get may not be accurate, remember divination has to be interpreted by the reader. They can be way off or only partly on the mark. Othewise it's called 'videotape & wiretapping'. Books are just books. Why burn something that's useable by others? If you have any qualms about them, donate them or sell them, don't destroy something that's only paper. Not when others can get some use out of them. I hate to see waste, it's not the books that are bad, it's the people who use them wrongly. Don't go too over the hill on things, just maintain calm & use your head. Anyone not centered & grounded & calm can't do magic properly. John does not sound like he's got it together enough to do anyone but himself harm. If you're worried about him consider taking out a restraining order via the police. But magically, I wouldn't worry. If you feel the need to put up a shield around you & your home, there's a very good site called Playful Psychic (use google, it'll come up, it's a psiorg address of some kind) that has easy explanations under their 'basic skills' section. Keep calm, you're dealing with a mundane/real world problem here, not much of a magical one IMHO.

zorya	19 Mar 2003
i agree with hudsongray in that it doesn't sound like much of a magical threat. if your friend is deeply bothered by his remaining feelings for john, and is positive that he will never want to get back together with him... you might suggest he do a spell to break the bond between them.

le-mat	19 Mar 2003
HudsonGray, you really made me feel a lot better.... You're right, maybe I'm overreacting... About the books, I'm not suggesting my friend should burn them... I would burn myself before burning a book... but maybe he should clean them, cause they may still have John's energy. I know books, like magick, are mere tools, they are not good / bad per se. I'm familiar with shielding, I'll try that... maybe I'll teach my friend how to do it... By the way, a strange thing happened a few minutes ago... I did a reading to find out if there was a spell or not... it was a 3 card spread and I got Page of Swords Rx + Page of Wands Rx + Page of Coins Rx .... I gotta tell you I really freaked out... about its meaning, maybe it means John is spying (page of swords) on us (page of wands, that's me; page of coins, my friend)... Thanks for your advice!!!

HudsonGray	19 Mar 2003
A good general 'purge' (and safe for books) is to lay them in a window where the moon can shine on them. Imagine a bubble of earth energy around them as you put them down, and anything not needed in the bare energy department will siphon back into the earth to be cleansed. Let them sit there overnight & they'll be fine. Interesting on the pages--sure the deck isn't laughing at you? Some have a good sense of humor. Instead of asking if there's a spell or not, ask 'what do I need to be aware of, what do I need to do to help us, what is recommended to make us feel better about this other person'. You get constructive advice that way. It's always hard asking the right question (remember how loaded the question of 'are you still beating your wife' is? Damned if you answer either way. Your yes/no question could be doing the same thing.) I found the URL I was thinking of before, go give it a look-see -- http://www.psipog.net/activepsy/contents.html

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