Spiritual connection with the divine

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 12 Apr 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Celtic_Dragon	12 Apr 2003
Regaurdless of what your prefrence of belief or fellowship is, I was wondering when, how and what the circumstances were when you experienced the divine. I've always believed that I would have a chance to experience that which I believed to be true, wheather it be my higher self, spiritual guides, god....just so long as I was patient. If nothing more than to know they were there, watching and maybe open the communication barriers for advice or help. I've heard of people on this site getting signs and even having conversations with whom/whatever. I was once told that I was being watched over but since I've yet seen nor felt as though there was an attempt at communication, I am wondering if it was just something said to satisfy my curiousity or win my favor. (since this info came from my ex, before we started dating) Getting to the point.....I was wondering if there was any kind of advice anyone could give so that I may contact that which I believe in. To experience and know that I'm not alone or unwanted. I thought that somehow I woud recieve a sign (see Do you have a magical name, and how did you choose it?) But that's yet to happen. Any advice would be appreciated. I've never had any feeling of complete and absolute fear in my beliefs before and it scares me. Please help, I feel as though I've lost something, more than my confidence in my beliefs. Thank you and blessed be, ~Celtic Dragon~

jmd	12 Apr 2003
Some say there are numerous signposts upon one's path. Even if this is so, however, it is still necessary to be able to recognise and understand what these may be saying... hence the importance which many schools of spiritual thought put on the study of the sacred - studying through the works which others before have undertaken. The study isn't pointless to the later experience, for, just as the adolescent will look at a rose bush in a way (however poetic) which will miss much that both the seasoned poet and the established botanist will actually see, so will the detailed studies and slow development of various contemplative skills permit the aspirant to see much in various experiences which may otherwise be missed. Whatever your peculiar path, I would suggest serious reading in the area, and regular (read 'daily') periods set aside for quiet reflection... Others may give other advice...

jema	12 Apr 2003
hi, your post made my mind go off in odd directions, so what i write here might not really have all that much to do with what you asked - but i am in a sharing mood today so i will write it down anyway:) i was thinking about how i sometimes look so hard for connections and signs and meaning behind things that i almost miss what is happening. and then one day i found an axample that illustrated this so well. it was the very first thing i read in a book i bought and even though i still haven't read more in the book i had to dog-ear the page and i just now found it again. it is from one of the "flying rolls" of the Golden Dawn that i found in a book called Ritual Magic of the Golden Dawn. edited by Francis King Flying Roll No 1. part 2 "A subject for contemplation" by G.H. Frater N.O.M To obtain magical power, one must strengthen the will. Let there be no confusion between will and desire. You cannot will too strongly, so do not attempt to will two things at once, and while willing one thing do not desire others. Example You may at times have passed a person in the street, and as soon as passed may have felt some attraction, and the will to see him again; turning round (you) may have found that he also turned to you. The will, although untrained, may have alone done this. But if you, untrained, walk out again, and decide to make the experiment of Willing that he who passes you shall turn round, and try it, you will fail. Because the desire of gratifying your curiosity has weakened the force of your will *** as you see it is not directly related to your question, and i probably shouldn't post it... but it just felt right, you know. that sometimes we are so busy wanting things that when they come in a different shape or form from what we expected or desired - we might even miss them with a blink of the eye.

cjtarot	12 Apr 2003
Celtic Dragon, I have always known that God was a part of me. BUT when I started to ground and pull energy thru me did I understand Just how much a part of me God was. THEN, I had my Reiki I attunment, and was filled with what I believe is the healing light of the holy spirit. It was then that I say my guides...WHAT AN AMAZING FEELING..and now when I ground or do Reiki..I know.. Blessings and good luck in your journey. Cj

zorya	12 Apr 2003
ask ask for faith do whatever ritual or ceremony you are comfortable with and ask. you obviously don't have to believe this will work :laugh: imho, it is important to take out the time and make a real effort. we get back what we put out in a way. between now and april 16 are good days to ask for faith. between the 17 and may 1, instead of asking for faith, ask that your doubts be removed.

celeste	12 Apr 2003
I agree with the previous post. It seems simplistic but if you just ask God to reveal him/herself or whatever you believe divinity to be,it will happen. You can't control when it will happen, but it will. When you put out a request to the Universe it can't help but respond, if the request is in earnest. This is somewhat like what Jemma was describing,only I would call that phenonmon synchronicity. This is what happened to me, and still does, when I sincerely seek it. This usually happens when I am deeply troubled about something. I sense a comforting presence around me-call it God,or angels,spirit guides,whatever. I think when you open yourself up to the possibility of that connection,rather than letting your intellect talk you out of it, then it happens.

Celtic_Dragon	13 Apr 2003
Thank you all for your thoughtful replies. I'm going to do my best and try to ask. I don't know why all of a sudden I started doubting myself. I guess it had to do with the movie was watching the night before but I've seen plenty of movies that had some sort of religious aspect to it, especially the scary ones like: ghost ship, the others. For some reason it just resenated within me as I was drifting off to sleep. Thanks again.

RAVENAL	16 Apr 2003
Great answers from all...I agree... ...seek...ask...you will find what you need...be willing to open and recieve...allow...this has always worked for me...and it is simple...have faith and trust...it is OK to ask for confirmatiom...this does not have a negative influence or lessen or errode faith and trust...spirit provides...ask for the timing as well...I ask for NOW...when needing something within a specific timeframe...be clear and state your needs/desires...using words aloud has great power...it sets intention in the physical realms...it grounds thoughts and feelings...answers return more efficientially and effectively...to the present time...I ask for the highest good...in joy...do not despair...HOPE...this a wonderful vibration to attune and resonate with...believe in the miraculous...

Sea Sprite	16 Apr 2003
Celtic_Dragon, Do not lose faith! I recommend any book by Doreen Virtue especially "Healing with the Angels". She explains things in a very clear simple entertaining manner. In one of her books she said that if you ask for help, you must let go of the problem afterwards, don't keep hanging on to the letter you're giving to God, you must let go of it and have faith that your problem will be taken care of. I love all the Doreen Virtue oracle cards series: Messages from your Angels; Healing with the Angels; Healing with the Fairies. I grew up in the Catholic church but didn't consider myself a Christian cuz I had doubts about the validity of God all through the years. I had this question: If God knows what I need before I ask, why ask? It was only recently that I've shed my ego, ignorance and now I am beginning to really see and I now realize the answer to my long time question is that prayer is to nurture my relationship with God and not for just getting what I want and God already already know what I need before I ask. I speak to God on a daily basis, I do not recite long eloquent prayers. I just take time out and talk to God. God is listening! I do not do this for others to see; I do not even attend church, for I'm not looking for their approval . I've asked for help on many occasions and my prayers have always been answered though not always exactly the way I wanted. I laugh sometimes at how my requests have been answered. Its always better than what I could've come up on my own. God works in mysterious ways. Rest assured, you are NEVER alone. Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. Matthew 7:7 NIV

skytwig	17 Apr 2003
Celtic Dragon, I too have experienced times when I wonder where I am spiritually. but I see that now as a shifting in my perceptions. It tends to be temporary. For me, one thing that is important to me is to pay attention to everything around me. Synchronicities and serendipity tend to occur and we are so busy with our earth lives, we do not see. Watch Nature. Many clues and whispers occur through the natural world. Are they just animals or could they be 'angels' in disguise? Is that wondrous sunset meaningful? does it feel like a hello from the Universe? Did that person you just smiled with seem more like an angel than a human? I no longer ignore or poo poo those senses. If I feel that, I believe it now. and what is interesting is, that the more you are open to that, the more it appears. I believe it is because the Universe responds to our openness. Does that sound silly or magickal? well, I believe joy and magick are the very substance of the unexplainable life, anyway!!! So, I geuss what I am describing is broadening your mind to your soul...... for there, anything is possible!

Celtic_Dragon	18 Apr 2003
Quote: Originally posted by skytwig Celtic Dragon, I too have experienced times when I wonder where I am spiritually. but I see that now as a shifting in my perceptions. It tends to be temporary. For me, one thing that is important to me is to pay attention to everything around me. Synchronicities and serendipity tend to occur and we are so busy with our earth lives, we do not see. Watch Nature. Many clues and whispers occur through the natural world. Are they just animals or could they be 'angels' in disguise? Is that wondrous sunset meaningful? does it feel like a hello from the Universe? Did that person you just smiled with seem more like an angel than a human? (cut) So, I geuss what I am describing is broadening your mind to your soul...... for there, anything is possible! It's amazing that you just posted this today, skytwig. For some unexplained reason when I got into the shower today I felt that everything was good, that it was ok and that made me happy. I mean genuinely happy from the inside out. I havn't felt that in a long time and well, I held on to it. And dispite my depressed fiance' I'm still really happy. I believe it's because the other night when I couldn't sleep, I sat up and started to meditate. I didn't have any intentions in mind before I started except to actually meditate. (it's hard for my inner voice to shut-up) I don't remember what happened except that when I was finished I went to sleep with no problem. I don't even know why I decided that I was done, hey I had no thoughts. But today the sun shined on me (the card, cause it was very cloudy) I believe I know what my problem is. It's the fact that in life I am very understanding and so patient that I hardly ever get what I want (especially from my parents). And my sister is so whiney and demanding that my parents will give her whatever just to shut her up. What I do resinates to my soul and so I've been patient with any kind of answer. Corse I never listen either :D Thank you all so much! If all goes well, I should be hearing from my spirit guide(s) tonight.

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