The great OM event

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 23 May 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

DarkElectric	23 May 2003
Hey everybody, I just found out about this, it's going on TODAY, Friday May 23 in USA. From 5 PM until 12 Midnight, people all over the world will be participating in this event. The website will explain it a LOT better than I can, so here's the link~ http://www.sharonshane.com/om.html

PurpleGoddess	23 May 2003
when i get home from school i'll add my energy to this vibration. i'm going through energy release at the moment w/emotional & physical stuff coming to the surface. so this may help my body release more of this STUFF. Peace

Diana	23 May 2003
I got a very bad vibe from that web-site. It was very unpleasant. If this is really a channelling, then I'm not quite sure it's from a good source. Sorry to stomp in here with my boots on. I hesitated posting here but I felt I had to.

HOLMES	24 May 2003
it is highly edited, and that could be the bad vibe you sense from it. the om if done as a hum affects you internally on the inner self. yet if done on the outer level loudly with the emphasis on the o sends universal vibrations out to the world and the universe and attracts light . for the light and the sound of the om has been considered the sound and the power of creation. adding a to aaauuummm or aaaoommm , adds power to it, yet also gives an indivual essen part of your soul and so expand your outher soul as well . the loud prounoucment of such an omm for such a prolonged time would serve to shake loose the vibrations of denser energy around the world, and attract light to you inviduals who partipated in such an event. we do not see it as taking the form that is spoken of by the master yet it is possible given the large numbers. it would have more power to chant om and call light to the earth at the same time but such an effort could not be sustained for such a long time as mentioned for it would raise the vibration of the earth and cause a growth which usally comes through the tower experience before the star can be found. and so such efforts havne't been hinted at to much to the masses for it is through constant growth and indivual growth of the soul right now that is important . for the more ascended master that reach the group will expand the light to the universe and that is the desired effect at this time.

DarkElectric	24 May 2003
Eeek! Oh Diana, do you think this wasn't a good thing to do? I thought the site was a little commercial, pushing the book and all, but I didn't get a bad vibe. What did you pick up from it? I don't know that much about channelling, my Reiki master knows this lady who's a massage therapist, and she knows that other woman somehow. Oh dear, I hope I didn't steer anybody wrong.

Diana	24 May 2003
DarkElectric: I can only say what I picked up. Maybe I am wrong. But what I picked up is that these Beings needed extra power to solve a power struggle that is going on in their own realms. And I got the impression that we were being asked to do their "dirty" work. They could have been impersonating as Enlightened Beings. Don't worry though. Maybe I'm wrong.

Minderwiz	24 May 2003
I followed the link too - my wife is doing Reiki 2 and her Reiki Master plays CDs of Buddhist chants so I wanted to find out more. I didn't find the site particularly helpful and maybe its me but I couldn't find the downloads of chants that were mentioned. Reading the thread a bit later I saw Diana's comments and decided to take a second look, though apart from the rather pretentious statements I had not noticed anything untoward. Second time around on the instant I logged on there was a great crash - I jumped a mile but it was my wife who had accidentally knocked the electric griddle off the work surface (countertop). Coming back to look at the site afterwards I still didn't pick up any bad vibes but I still think its pretentious and I'm not going to participate (especially as I still can't find the download :) )

HOLMES	24 May 2003
when i shared my impressions , they were from what i can access which wasn't focused on the ascended masters but just my own personal guide. and so they were speaking of energy terms and from their point of view without contacting the ascended masters. i myself didn't see a power struggle, as the channel it self (on the website) intent was to help out humanity. the only thing that could allude to such a thing would be the ringing past earth into the cosmos idea. which would then provide extra energy for such a thing. i personally like to see it as a vibration sound ringing on the spiritual planes. in my opnion you didn't steer people wrong dark electic for i too has posted things like this in the spirtual forum (the buddha energies at the festival for example ) it is part of being a lightworker to share information that could help the earth. i know a person who went to 11/11 and 12/12, and i was thinking to myself i could never do that , that wasnt' for me when he told me about it in the 90s yet for those who went it was a powerful enlightening experience, and the stories he shared of the openness was so cool (it reminded me of a pow wows ) i am sure that those who particpated last night in the om had a great expereince and nice dreams. quote it is highly edited, and that could be the bad vibe you sense from it. quote i thought it was highly edited and that the bad vibe you expereince was the edition of the channel . like a personlity clouding the message. also the blood red colur of the back ground could be seen as anger. but i myself saw it as the grounding colour of the root center and that the energies needed to be grounded as they were read. of any who partipated what did you feel, ?

jonesy	24 May 2003
dark electric jonesy here, it is never wrong to follow your heart. it is however for other to vamp your energies under the auspices of love and light etc. i do have to agree with diana on this, the energy was not right.in my teachings and many years studying, the devine plan is that of the dark side the master plan, that of the creator of all that is. if something sounds too grandiose it is usually coming from an egoic centre. there should be no ego involved when working for the uplift of humanity. i will now expect a barage of people who disagree with this but so be it. holmes is correct in his assessment of the om. you will recieve that which you put out and the intent with which it was given. hope you are well. love jonesy

jonesy	24 May 2003
diana, your not wrong, i think that sums things up nicely. you hit the nail on the head as it were. nice call.

Minderwiz	24 May 2003
jonesy, Grandiose and Egotistical are good descriptors - the site tended to promote the author, not the message. The killer is perhaps the 'Retail Stores' link on the main page. Clearly there is a legitimate use of the web to sell occult services and books and authors have every right to promote their books through web sites. However, they should not disguise them as something else. For me its not bad vibes but the site is not quite right and I repeat, I wouldn't participate.

HOLMES	24 May 2003
for myself i didnt' peruse the site . i just read the message at the face value once, and took what was good about it with me. it had the same energy as the million man march for example. (get a brunch of people together and do something good ) if one looks at the egoism of a site to see one books written all over it , then any site that is personalized would fall into the same category. ok not just the books but also for example talking of one self on the site and then going on to talk about such a event (it comes in differnt froms mass group meditions, mass group chanting like we heard, mass group giving to others ) there is a potential for any event to turn negative. (this could be seen in the dark magician who had good intentions at one time but misfocused his energies , or studied his good ways and one night gave in to his dark nature out of anger and cross the line ) consider the woodstock of 99 compared to the 60s , it was a differnt energy but the intentions were good were they not ? go to anyone site, be it orin and daben, mary k greer, elizabeth prophet, doreen virtue. you will see their books all over the site, information of themselves. is that ego ? in the case of mary k greer i remember her former site, it was full of information of the tarot , links , reviews and such , i was using it to learn so much. so it is a good thing. or a person who is living off the work in order to do it full time ?

jonesy	24 May 2003
holmes, it is definitely ego.... look at the names that were changed... prophet... virtue....... you do not see this as ego? your holmes, diana is diana and i am jonesy. pretty common names but each have a unique perspective without a soapbox. i am not saying that some of the information that they relate is not valid. some is... others, welllllllllll.......... you get the point. take it lite :)

Astraea	24 May 2003
Odd as it might seem, Doreen Virtue's actual last name is Virtue, and Elizabeth Clare Prophet's real last name is Prophet (the actual last name of her late husband, Mark).

HOLMES	24 May 2003
that they are :O) edited to add, i showed the lost teachins of jesus to my teacher in high school he said oh ? and saw the name mark l. prophet and elizabeth prophet and rolled his eyes and said "yeah right " on doreen virtue faq , it says one of the first things is , yes her last name is really virtue .

jonesy	24 May 2003
and half of mexican males are named jesus

jonesy	24 May 2003
does this mean that they are all here to forgive us our sins and die on a cross or is it just a name????? true deeds are done by walking a path that you know is right for you. not by listening to an entity (by any name) through corrupted channels. this is what this thread started out about. for one person to say that they have all the right answers and that everyone else is wrong, in my oppinion, is in league with the very energies trying to keep us all subservient. just a thought.

HOLMES	24 May 2003
i don't know about half the mexican males being name jesus , some may take offense at that . true deeds are done by walking a path that you know is right for you. not by listening to an entity (by any name) through corrupted channels. this is what this thread started out about. for one person to say that they have all the right answers and that everyone else is wrong, in my oppinion, is in league with the very energies trying to keep us all subservient. just a thought. it is clear that your two posts were supposed to be together right ? it would just a name, yet we are not giving power to doreen virtue and elizabeth prophet due to their names, for me i really liked the doreen virtue book on divine guidance and so that is why i hold her in high esteem. and elizabeth due to her knowledge. true deeds, depends on the eye of the beholder. the story of the last unicorn comes to mind, when the final climatic battle comes and the magican can do no more he said to the heroe that is what hereos are for. and so he said yes that is what hereos are for and charges in and sacfrices himself for the last unicorn who turns around and drives the red bull into the sea. and heals the dying hereo with her horn (that is the cartoon version i havne't read it in a long time ) it was the magican who showed the hero the way and he who took it. as a channel who is striving to learn more who am i to criticize others channel. a person who partakes of meat and drink (drink now and then in moderation ) can give a good channel. so can a child give advice that is inspired. sometimes we need signposts, or hints of where to go or the possibilities at a given moment. that is what guides are for. i dont' know any person who has said they have all the answers. even an ascended master ideally should point to a higher source, and stuff that exists out of their area. (i personally think that they stick to their truth , example christ in the jeshua letters, and course in miracles came a christian terminology for that is what we understood him as , he could also say how are you my brother to any of us without the thous and thee i don't now about subservient ? to work to evolve myself to become a more perfect light is my path and my choice, (i had the choice to drink or not to , because i am subservient to my path i choose not to , i feel good about that ) in my feeling of what i got from the book doreen was sharing what she knew, what she experience and hardly critized anyone but shared what from she studied , could of caused this and that. which i understood , i like her :O)

jonesy	24 May 2003
knew the flood gates would open... as far as doreen is concerned, i too like her work, on the other hand i have no time for elizabeth clair prophet. too much helping herself and feeding her ego, for my liking. but that is just me. children should be listened to as much as possible, for they are not yet corrupted, for the most part, yet. as for eating meat and drinking, i have done both and love a great steak. i am certain to thank the animal for its unconditional gift of love for helping to sustain my life. the same way i do for the plants that i eat and the hops, herbs and any other consumables. channeling, and i know you are a good channel holmes, is something that should be used for the advancement of the entire human race. too often people give away their energies to whatever "guru" ,in whatever form, makes the most sense to them at the time. jesus asked for no followers, he gave the invormation diseminated from the gods, to a multitude of listeners, and requested nothing in return. it was done from the heart. i agree that people need to make a living , but they should not live off of the energies of others. to help keep a "ministry" afloat. this is the same objections i have with organised religeon. and mother church. church should be where you make it. not where someone says that it should be. and on a day designated the seventh where god rested. please... if god took just one day off this universe would be in termoil. again just an opinion.

DarkElectric	24 May 2003
Wow. It sounded like such a good thing. You know, peace, heal the earth, what's wrong with that? How do you tell the difference between something cool and something not so cool, like in this case, obviously. I mean, Kwan Yin and St Germaine aren't bad, so what's up with this? And OM is a Buddhist thing. And if it's the divine plan, how can there be a dark side to it? Isn't that like, God? Doesn't intent count for anything? Seriously, somebody explain this to me. I knew the website was commercial, I didn't dig that. But nothing blood red came up on my screen, it was pink. Cheesy graphics, "Buy my Book" but that stuff is everywhere. I participated in this thing with my Reiki master and a couple of other people. Why would she try to steer me wrong? Nothing ugly or weird happened. It didn't feel bad to me. It was just, OM. Now I'm all freaked out about it. What did we do, and what's all this about enslavement? We're already enslaved, by crooked politicians. Now it seems that there are some evil entities posing as ascended masters who are using us for whatever, to push their own agenda. Ok, if they're so powerful and enlightened, why can't they handle their own s**t, given the enormous amount of energy in the multiverse. Human beings are just a speck in the cosmos. This also assumes that we live on the only inhabited planet out there. So is this supposed to be some kind of plan for enslavement of humanity by alien vampires? People can be vamps, all too true. But I'm seriously starting to wonder about all this other stuff. It's starting to sound like infighting, psychic paranoia, and hogwash. If this is what channeling is all about, I'm glad I don't do it. Those who do can keep it. I'm all set, thanks.

jonesy	24 May 2003
hi DE too often people are led astray by the voices and or channels that are communicating through and with them. keep in mind, earthbound entities are bored and not subject to universal laws prevalent in the astral realms. they will pretend to be anything hey can and want to help pass the boredom, time and get the energy. we are most deffinitely not the only ones in the universe and the intent from you and many others was for the betterment of the planet and mankind. it is only when we are not discerning of the energies that come to us that we can get into a little trouble. (i'm on a different keyboard so there are fewer spelling errors, sorry... its a laptop, what can i say?) you know how i look at the universe by the tangents that i sent to you last year. there are more and i would hope you have received them also. be well in your space and do not let the petty bickerings between others get you down. your intentions as always are for the betterment of mankind, i only wish more were like you. hope all is well jonesy

joya250	24 May 2003
okay... I think this has gone waaaaay off topic. DarkElectric -- I wouldn't worry about it at all. :) All this stuff is starting to sound kinda silly to me as well. You did what you did out of the best intentions -- from a pure heart. So even if there WERE these "nasty alien vampire energies" (or whatever)... that's their deal... not yours. You can use your light and energy for whatever you want -- and there is nothing anybody can do about it or with it once you set your intent. You did not "feed in" to any dark agenda here. You simply got together with a group of loved and trusted people to share your love vibration (haha, sounds so hippy-ish) with the universe. peace. :) joya

DarkElectric	24 May 2003
Thanks Joya :( I feel a little less like a stupid kid who doesn't know s**t from shinola now.

joya250	24 May 2003
LOL actually I've heard that s**t and shinola are really quite similar. :P

HOLMES	24 May 2003
quote knew the floodgates would open quote what flood gates? channeling is both for the individual and the human race, the high level guides community work on many levels. for the guru, there is the teacher and then there is the guru. in my native community the teachers comes , helps and then goes on to the next native community (of my home reserve) he lives for the job, and he get the resources to get to the next town from the people . he is rich by no material means but by that which we on the higher level can appreciate, freinds, and respect and love he has aplenty. there is alwasy the potential for the teacher to become a guru to fall into power, it is the choice that is given (do you accept power over me , and the good teacher will say no, you must make that choice for your own life not i. so too is for high non incarnated spiritual teachers ) i won't speak of jesus for i never studied him that well , yet didnt' he say follow me and i will make you fishers of men ?

Two of Wands	24 May 2003
hmmm... what a lot of worry and debate a little bit of colective OM can cause. Could OM be the next Sars? I hope not, else we'll be wearing masks to keep the Sars at bay and ear muffs to stop the OM!

DarkElectric	24 May 2003
Can't prove that by me :) So, this whole thing wasn't coming from ascended anybody, but earthbound spirits posing as something with the skinny on the divine? It's not coming from an ascended plane, because that wouldn't be earthbound, would it? The angelic realms aren't earthbound, and from what I understand of planes, there aren't that many which are. The Astral is, but the higher ones aren't. So, how can somebody tell where the messages are coming from? If that's it, how does anyone know that their channeled information is the real deal? I mean, doesn't that suggest that what somebody thinks is reputable could be fake, right? because we have no real way of knowing? or is there some way to be sure? Confusing :(

HOLMES	24 May 2003
i can only speak from my own channel i constantly test my channel , by asking others what they sense when i channeled and if it was high . for if it came from anger or "I KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS" then i would stop for 1. it would be coming from my ego 2. or a lower level entity like they say take what you feel is true and leave the rest behind. i am contantly to make sure my channel is high by channeling when i am not tired, not angry not depressed or sad, when i feel a connection it is much like tarot reading some days you are on, some days you off , energy wise to critize all channels due to some misinformed decisions or some ego filled channels is too much a condenming voice i feel. the good channels say question everything :O) what about the good channels like barthamelow, emanue, orin and daben ? jeshua himself ?

DarkElectric	24 May 2003
HOLMES, I'm not criticizing your channeling, I hope you know that. All of this controversy over how do we know what's real and what's not, well, it makes me wonder, that's all. I don't channel, and I'm really glad. I never want to now, that's for sure. I've always been nervous about it because of not knowing who is coming through. It's good you know the difference, I sure don't.

HOLMES	25 May 2003
all you have to do is access your higher self and ask is this true ? and listen to your heart when you are calm with a calm mind. my guides are high level guides but they are not movers and shakers like the masters are . they are more focused on their purpose which is to share information what is happening as it affects those i know . the masters are more higher then my guides (in vibrationary levels, in duties and knowledge ) and they have their assigned postions , which they recieved from the universal mind. everytime there is a new ascended master a new postion is created up there. for example. and they meet to convene like a board does here yet they alwasy agree according to what is best. without detachement using spiritual logic. when i spoke initally about the 4 million people saying om causing a great spiritual vibrational growth and a tower experience,which would be on a mass level , it is good do we not go through tower expereinces every day and emerge stronger, wiser for it ? ideally . some of us who come out weaker and sad for they were not ready to move past their old mind sets, their old world the phrase as above and so below. makes one think there is a battle going up on there on the causal plane for there is war going on here. this was hinted at by enoch , and in the movies prophecy 1, 2, 3 yet as you go up higher and higher closer to the universal mind of the source, you lose your ego , and learn the lessons of detachment and such. example lucifer was thought to have fallen , trying ot take over heaven and was sent to rule hell. but now he is said to have been sent to make us stronger by having go through our devil influence for he volunteered due to he loving us . which to believe ? the one that rings true to your soul level, knowldge and your own individual heart. there is a battle of sorts , the light vs the dark light , and the light is trying to evolve the dark light to become brighter and accept the love of the universe and to realize we are all aspects of ourselves. the dark light is trying to destroy due to is anger, and its hate. it should be clear the dark light isn't the blackness of the void which is limitless potential, the unmanifested. i did hear a theory that we all came the void and the life experience through many lives was to manifest the unmanifested potential into being. that is why we grow. is it true ? i havent' decided. regarding those who are dark channels for lack of a better word. they are the one who get told "you are my favourite, we love you more then them as you are our messengers, only you know the truth , "to appeal to their ego and so when giving over is accomplished. the lower level entities manipulate the person to say their words. it is usaly words of hatred , and power and ego , and can twist any phrase to their own needs . we simply have to ask our selves does the master come from judgement, and condemnation ? no , then this channel i am reading now isn't of love but lower level . the astral beings who are still attached to earth are people like us , but are still attached to their egos and so will act liar , and hateful and angery as they did when they were alive for they haven't recieve the light to know that they have pass over that isn't true of all astral beings. for those are those who haven't moved past earth yet due to attachments to their family and were good people when they died but are not yet ready to move on. it is a matter of choice for who are open, and a matter of when for those who are close to the light due to their possible beliefs or affinities. again when speaking to ghosts ask yourself as a dective or lawyer would , could that be ? does that sound true or does it sound made up in order to get someone to talk to ? as one studies , one will theories of aliens messing around with our dna. of them putting implants into us, of the governement knowing them and working with them. as a citizen of this plane abliet far away they come from a differnt school of learning and some are negative just like us on the earth. while some are postive. just because it isn't human does not make it lesser form of life, notice that we dont' have visitors out in the open ? it is because i suspect that earth is under the protection of angels , and that has been connect to astar command. (do a search of that and see lots lots of sites pop up i think ) i never explored that area for it didnt' concern me as a individual at this time, but that isn't on a higher levle then our plane it is still in this plane of course aliens like us would have our own agenda. there is one beings who were contacting people of earth and tryign to set up healing centers but they weren't concerned about the people who were to set them up just the centers and the person in the book just kind of said it doens't feel right and left (i will do research tomorrow i think it is in my kathryn rathdill book on channeling or my barbara ann book , it is too late to look now ) do not fear , as it isn't a time to shut down and say i don't want to know but explore and decide for yourself is it true , take the pill ? bite the apple ? jump of the cliff to see an invisble bridge ? it is up to you the individual for myself i am not concerned with the "alien broadcasts" at this time for i am concerned with my light body and knowledge fo the soul . that is my path :O)

Diana	25 May 2003
Quote: Originally posted by DarkElectric Human beings are just a speck in the cosmos. DarkElectric: Size is not important. Please don't be freaked out about your having provided this link. I think your sharing this site with us has led to a very interesting discussion. It is hard to discuss these things in "normal" life. Go and tell the local butcher that you're picking up messages from enlightened or non-enlightened beings, and you'll become the laughing stock of the neighbourhood and may even lose your job. So who do you discuss it with? Aeclectic is a good place to do it. Your intent here was good. And is has led to something good. One always reaps what one sows, and you sowed sharing and your intention was a peaceful one. And this is what has happened. We are all learning through this discussion here and it can only lead us upwards in our spiritual paths. Personally, it is rare that I follow a thread in Spirituality with such interest. So I want to thank you for sharing this link with us. From the bottom of my heart.

jonesy	25 May 2003
as one may imagine at this point i have so much to say regarding extraterresrial life and life forms, etc. also, keep in mind that channelling is a temporary possesion of ones third dimentional vehicle. once that that connection has been made, it will not be broken, one just chooses not to inhabit the body on a permanent basis. then there are the entities that are strong enough not to want to let go and then even a precontractual walk-in arrangement of two souls at different times using the same body. one early in life, the other later. i will write on these things tomorrow as i have a 7 am appointment that i must be rested for. be certain that it will be informative, even if it is oppinionated. goodnight for now.

Dark Inquisitor	25 May 2003
Quote: Originally posted by jonesy [b] too often people are led astray by the voices and or channels that are communicating through and with them. This can be true of channeling, mediumship, psychic impressions , tarot reading, and even our own thoughts & ideas on the daily level. Happens all the time. I didn't find anything disturbing about the site other than the overly intense color & I found the levitating Buddha rather fun. Nobody tried to make people buy the OM, or pay for participating. No one was told to do anything fishy , just align with the Divine Love. If that is the true focus of of a worldwide mass of good people, I don't think much could get in the way of their intention. Tarotphelia

HOLMES	25 May 2003
i will give you the nod in extraterrestial knowledge and their ways as i haven't ever channelled an article and only know of some stories shared by other channels in the book i studied. speaking again from my own experience, it is more of a telepathy which they transmitt to my soul and get filtered down , that is the way i studied. a connection can be broke, to believe otherwise is to take away own power. the entities that are strong enough not to want to let go sounds like those lower level entities who speak to mediums and psychic. channeling is a differnt then being psychic as you are raising your vibration to go higher (least the way i taught as you mentioned you are coming from what you studied earlier in this post ) once you posted on my channeling thread about being misunderstanding many points. (i am sure you read it all though in order to come to that conclusion ) yet i am coming from what i know , studied, and that which i studied tells me that we are born with guaridan angels, a plan (which could incoprate contractual walk ins) and a personal spirit guide who travels with us throughout our lives in order to provde signs, and guidance in our dreams. until we learn to talk consciously with the guide who becomes like a close friend as they were our soul friend before we came. channeling a "high level" guide means a sharing of the mind sort to speak yet they can be sent away as they follow the laws, and that law is choice. to use it another way, picture a person who is requesting advice of a way of thinking that is respected (let us saying using my native back ground here ) that a person who doens't speak the language comes to ask for advice and the native translator interprates for them . in order for the native person to give their advice, or to share stories that have a spiritual truth to them. you are translating for a foreign language in order to portray a message for the person who is trying to ask for guidance. these are the light workers way , the people who work with the light . it is good to protect one self, to be on guard for the lower level entities or those that would take advantage of others by pretending to be a channel ever see that movie with ellen barkin in it ? she was a man before and comes back as a woman? she goes to see a channel who is suppoed to be a trance channel and askign advice, and i remember the channel opening up their eyes at one remark and i laughed my head off (that was just about when i started to get into it ) i have to agree with tarotphelia here, that it truly can be said of all things, does one bad tarot reader make us all bad ? is it wrong to accept money for time, energy , spent in doing a reading or a channeling ? in the old days , the medicine men for lack of a better term would do their work and recieve tobacco, gifts and was looked after by the tribe. but he would take part of the tribe as well going on hunts. a channel isn't necessary a "medicine man" but tobacco was a spiritual currency and so money is energy like tobacco . (i am condoning enough to get by, to live comfortably, to complete the work i dont' mean having 5 houses, and cars and a million in the bank for the spiritual person would ask why do you need so much houses for and cars and money ? )

HOLMES	25 May 2003
quote be certain that it will be informative, even if it is oppinionated. goodnight for now. quote we have both been sharing from our views, our knowledge of what we have studied. i have tried to be gentle in my way isn't there anything good you can share about channeling for every post you have made , has critized it , making it seem that all entities are out to possess, take over their receptive people to their energies. for all the negative stuff shared about the channeling process there is equal postive stuff to share and please share it. otherwise i feel that those who are influenced by the this thread will see nothing good about it, much like those who get influence by the sciencefitic, negative view of all things that are possible about tarot cards and dont' see the postive about it. like the spiritual connection to the source that can be made, or the connection to one inner self. and the deeper understanding of other individuals. and so i feel i should ask that all my channelings be deleted, as it is not my intention to harm no one. i will ask that i been given a few days to make a copy of them before hand moderators of the spiritual forum. to those who still wnat to learn about the process, i suggest find your own truth, by researching your path , which might be angels, high levle guide, your own spiritual guide, your power animals. or your inner and higher self. one last thing to share is before i log off from this thread. is it can be liken to open medium vs closed mediumship where in open medium ship you are the person who is open to all and any spiritual influences you feel (psychics do this as well , or those who are highly developed in that area i meann ) then in closed medium ship you have a control guide who protects you and moderates for you who you come in contact with . such a guide will translate for you , and act as your guard. it is the same in channeling. you can be a open channel to all things high level, lower level, aliens, past celebrities like socrates, and plato (seems odd to me and so i stayed away from that path ) myself i am a semi open channel, i chanel throgh mergin with my soul, then my guides and a council of light around me. i channel only the high level guides , angels or archangel and once i asked st germain to come in and tell us about the violet flame. follow your higher self and make your own decisions. our knowledge is expanding, and just as there is truth, there is illusion. my truth might be someone else illusion and vice versa. and so may you find peace on your path and light to guide you .

Diana	25 May 2003
Holmes: If you delete your channelings like you said in your above post, I will delete every single one of my posts that I have ever made on this forum. So please don't do that to me, because considering the large amount of them, it would take me a long long time to do it. And it will give all the moderators a lot of work to go through all my posts which say "delete please." Why should I do that, you may ask? Because if you delete your channellings, this place will become so empty that all the others will sound so hollow.......... Your channellings are part of Aeclectic's soul. Nothing can replace them. Not even a whole river of gold. Not even a lake of diamonds. Without them, I would not be whom I am today and I suspect that I am not alone. Please give Aeclecticians more credit. We are quite capable of deciding what is good for us and what isn't. What is harmful and what isn't. And your channellings shine with purity and love and brightness. They sing heavenly tunes and are good to hear.

HOLMES	25 May 2003
, i shan't delete them for that is a lot of posts to delete :O) but seriously that your pm and your post has shown me that now i must walk the integrity aspect of my path and believe in what i know , and pratice it as my life. and so i stand by my channelings and take my place as a channel aye , you are right i wasnt' giving my fellow aeclecticians credit to make up their own minds. i am sorry forgive me. just didnt' want to hurt no one unknowingly, or participate in anything that could cause fear due to negative channelings information.

Diana	25 May 2003
Holmes: I already told you this, but I say it for the benefit of all here. If people get scared for some reason (although with your channellings, I honestly can't imagine how that would be possible,), but let's say they do, then they must confront the fear in their own hearts. Fear begins inside us. It is not something that is imposed on us from outside. So actually no-one's channellings can ever cause fear really. I am afraid of frogs. Is it the frog that is the cause of my fear? Should I write to the authorities and ask them to remove all the frogs in Switzerland? Of course not. Because it's not the frog who is causing my fear. It is my fear that is causing the fear. Would be much better if I faced and conquered it once and for all.

Hedera	25 May 2003
Quote: I am afraid of frogs. Is it the frog that is the cause of my fear? Should I write to the authorities and ask them to remove all the frogs in Switzerland? Diana, would you like to talk about it? There's a thread called 'killer bunnies' in the chat forum about dangerous animals..... ;)

zorya	25 May 2003
holmes, anyone can see that you have a beautiful soul. your channeling posts come from love and light. i would refuse to delete them.... so there :P i think this thread is a good thing. perhaps it has been painful to read such criticism and fear of channeling. would it have been better that all that have been left unsaid? this thread has given you the opportunity to clarify the subject for others. dark electric, you acted out of love by wanting to share this happening with us. please don't feel bad for having posted it.

DarkElectric	25 May 2003
Well, I'm glad some good came of all this. Thank you dear Zorya

Dark Inquisitor	25 May 2003
[quote]Originally posted by HOLMES [b]quote isn't there anything good you can share about channeling for every post you have made , has critized it , making it seem that all entities are out to possess, take over their receptive people to their energies. and so i feel i should ask that all my channelings be deleted, as it is not my intention to harm no one. __Why not delete the Bible from human experience? Or any other spiritual writing ? Or any book written? People can be channeling in a way & see it as their own thoughts too. Not knowing the source of their thoughts. Then we have to go through the whole forum & decide which posts are negative & possibly harmful . We don't know where they come from either, really. There are plenty of channelings posted on the internet. People can decide for themselves what to trust & believe, as is the case with anything that people write . I don't believe everything I read. I don't trust every author. Every preacher, spiritual teacher & city official has to be judged on the merit of their words & actions -it's the same with channelers. Right now, there are large groups of people that see anything to do with tarot as negative & evil-influenced . Does this make it true? Will we all now go throw out our tarot decks ? I don't think so. If you were to delete your channels, you would making some very wonderful insights & spiritual help unavailable to people who could benefit. They are one of the few sources of higher wisdom here. Do we just want to be stuck with "What do I put my deck in?" -- I don't ! Tarotphelia

jonesy	26 May 2003
well said tarotphelia, holmes i have not gotten down on your or anyone else for the "channelings" the difference is, as i thought was the case when i started reading your stuff many months ago, your information is communicated telepathically... not channeled. any channel will tell you that they relinquish their third dimentional vehicle in order for the individual/entity/spirit guide, or anything else that one wishes to call another coming through, to be allowed to put forth its information. edgar casey is the classic example of how channelled information is diseminated. the channel comes through and a third party writes down the information. in the case of telepathy, it is another human being somewhere in the universe, or here on terra firma, that is talking to you directly using low frequency transmissions. this is the reason for the hum in your ear and the pressure associated with it. the references that i was talking about months ago, was a precautionary measure to let you know that the channel had been corrupted and the information coming through, while it had 98% accuracy still had an edge (2%) of misinformation. call it semantics if you will. it was intended to be nothing more than someone trying to help. you have seemed to be very defensive of your position on this mannor, where no position is called for. there are legitimate channels out there. there is great information for humanity that comes through. and all people, men and women alike, should listen to their higher selves... that feeling deep in the gut that will never allow you to traverse to areas that your soul or body cannot handle. god puts nothing in out paths that we cannot handle. including disinformation from a group of entities whose job it is to attempt to confuse the issues. as you know the end times are upon us. it is the end of the frequency barrier, the very thing that keeps us from remembering who we are and what our purpose is in life. channeled or telepathically relayed information, is one of the tools that a few have had the fortune or misfortune to possess, in order to try and make sense of the mayhem running rampant in the asylum. thank you for bringing things through, but do not make the mistake that others have made before you and with you, like the bible, do not take it as gospel.... ask questions of those around that have an insight to things. then make your decisions whether or not the information is valid. do not go blindly into the mist take a torch... and if necessary, someone to help carry it. for it is only when one puts blind and unwavering faith into anything, that an enlightened path can go dim to all but the person walking it illuminating the path with his own light or ego, instead of letting the light of the creator light it for you. please do not remove anything that you have felt in your heart to place here for the benefit of others. for that would be more of a tragedy than not having written it in the first place. people know within their hearts what is right and wrong for them. that is all for now mate. love jonesy

zorya	26 May 2003
it is interesting to hear others opinions and perspectives, keeping in mind that they are opinions and perspectives. i suppose if any of us had all of the answers, we or they would no longer need to be on this earth plane ;) ultimately, the best we can due is trust our own hearts and intuition.

Ruby Red Slippers	26 May 2003
Holmes you are a beautiful person who is lighting the ay for others. I’m sure you have opened some minds here as noted in this thread. Allow me to be part of the group that is not “rigid” but open to the truly spiritual, which allows that everyone has the capability to be a channel. After all we are all here as spiritual beings having a human existence – what can be harder than that! At this time the universe is moving very fast, just look at the state of the world…. we are all being called to step up the frequency to align with our “best selves”. Please continue to spread the word. After all we have nothing to fear, but fear itself, as was pointed out so eloquently here! Once fear is removed, life becomes so much more freeing. Right now we can “see” how FEAR is being used as the great “controller” in the world. Once people are afraid, they give up their personal/spiritual power. Your messages appear to me, to be from a “loving soul” who is sharing. Just because others may have definite ideas about channeling does not make them truth. The earth plane is filled with myths that are passed on as fact. Each of us must decide for ourselves. Thank you for continuing to share. May the silver violet flame and the pillars of light always surround you!

Dark Inquisitor	26 May 2003
Quote: Originally posted by jonesy holmes i have not gotten down on your or anyone else for the "channelings" the difference is, as i thought was the case when i started reading your stuff many months ago, your information is communicated telepathically... not channeled. n the case of telepathy, it is another human being somewhere in the universe, or here on terra firma, that is talking to you directly using low frequency transmissions. jonesy Please explain how you know there is a human being somewhere telepathically feeding Holmes information. (If so, how do we know the same thing is not happening to you? ) Would such a human being be available 24 hours a day to do this with no notice? Would they be able to produce physical ,& psychic sensations in a participating 3rd party & give accurate information pertaining to the future & the past? Doesn't sound much like any human being I know. I would like very much for you to post your channels so we could all read them. Please do so as soon as you can. Tarotphelia

Dark Inquisitor	26 May 2003
Quote: Originally posted by jonesy any channel will tell you that they relinquish their third dimentional vehicle in order for the individual/entity/spirit guide, or anything else that one wishes to call another coming through, to be allowed to put forth its information. edgar casey is the classic example of how channelled information is diseminated. the channel comes through and a third party writes down the information. [/b] One has a choice of what one will allow in regard to being a channel. Not all channelers use strictly the method you mention. As in the case of psychic development, you get to choose to see or not see visions, entities , etc. To hear or not hear when they speak. You can decide you will allow information in the form of knowledge , or you can decide to be able to see that information played out for you like a movie inside or outside your head. People have free will & do not have to be completely taken over by guides or entities . Sometimes, I type what Holmes channels for others to let him be freer for the process. Sometimes, he types & does not know anything in his normal life about the subjects he has written about. As in the case of mediums, you can allow your physical self to be taken over for a time, or you have a choice to receive the information in a less invasive way. The choice is always ours. Tarotphelia

Diana	27 May 2003
Holmes being telepathically contacted by HUMANS? With all due respect jonesy, I had to laugh our loud when I read this. When you say "any channel will tell you that they relinquish their third dimentional vehicle.............", I hear alarm bells ringing. Sounds like some kind of dogma handed out by some church or sect. I have read every single one of Holmes' channellings, have them printed out in a file. I made up my mind a long time ago and have not changed it since.

HOLMES	27 May 2003
i read in the book opening to channel that they transmitted to our souls. even when they merge with us,(which as tarot phelia said is a choice) . sometimes i look in my heart as taught in the book ask your angels, other times i just hook in telapathecally as taught in the book how to talk to your angels. other time i become a channel and let the love and the energy flow through so i can come from a higher state. sanaya roman is a clear case of consciously channeling her guide as edgar crayce is a trance channel, and let us not forget the best example, seth and his channel rupert/jane roberts. that was a trance channeling. there are many degrees of channeling and so the nothing of relinquishing their vechile in order for someone else to come through isn't true of all channels. i have said many times that i am a channeling mode but not channeling just feel a higher wisdom when i read the tarot. it is kind of a concecting ot the source, (i visualize connectioning to the universal mind with a beam of light through the crown chakra every time ) i dont' have a hum in my ear but a high pitch sound now and then, i accept that as a message being transmitted to my subsconscious to be deciphered when ready. but many people do hear a hum, at the starting point of their development. i as a channel grow through channeling and study . i am not clear enough (my personality self says ) to channel an ascended master or archangel for i got so much to lear. you have seemed to be very defensive of your position on this mannor, where no position is called for. 1. i wans't defensive but answering every negative statment about channeling (not negative as in being wrong, but as sharing only the lower part of the channeling process ) and so with all the negative statements i felt that it could engender fear in those in the aeclectic forum like it affected my freind dark e. 2. i asked for a few statements of channeling in order to counteract that 3. i also was going to ask them to delete my channelings for why promote fear of the angels, and the masters when common sense, and a good basis in psychic protection would serve us there. 4. it is like tarot readings, each one has their strenghts, and style and and approach 5. and finally in answering every statement i was sharing only what i could, my own experience. 6. there is a constant broadcast of love, light and sound towards earth to help us evolve, and that is where i tune in sometimes. and try to understand. 7. in the essence of channeling i adhere there is always someone who knows more then you do , and so i study orin and daben material and read barbara ann brennen hands of light and light emerging. that is my path and so i share to share the options with others. "including disinformation from a group of entities whose job it is to attempt to confuse the issues". which specific group fo entities are your refering to? for there are those who genuinely try to help those in the universe . my personal friends know i question everything they say, and ask those who i know who read my channeling what they felt, (like if they felt anger, or just cold logic in one instance where i was dealing with the universal mind itself ) and so i will agree with you in the instance that my channels are not as high as can be for it requires pratice, study, questioning, time in the earth plane, and growth . channeling isn't the end all but a life long process, like studying the tarot. even orin and daben teach sanaya and duane packer new aspects of the basis they learned. and heyoan teaches barbara ann brennen still . (that is why her second book deals with the hara line ) as for the last paragraph from question everything i agree. question, test everything, any belief, any system of divination, and psychologies and philosphy.

jonesy	27 May 2003
Diana, Once again it is shown that people only take out of things what it is that they want to. I did say human; I also said anywhere in the universe. To think that we are the only humanoid lifeforms in this speck of dust in the cosmos, what we call home would be like a farmer planting a full field of wheat... for only one stalk to grow in that field would be unnatural. So too when the creator planted a universe of stars and planets, for life to only be prevalent on one? would also not be natural. The statement about telepathy coming from another human would not seem so comical if one would expand ones horizons and think outside of the box. We are living inside of what can best be described as a cracked bell. The vibration is kind of funky, but we were born here and are used to it. For us it is natural. But that bell has several effects associated with it. First it deafens us so that we cannot hear anything outside of the bell. It also keeps anyone born on the outside of the bell from coming here and walking around without detrimental effects to their bodies and minds. Some people like Holmes have been born here at these times in order to act as a telepath to bring through information that those not deafened by the bell know. This can be in spirit form or human to human communication. And yes I mean a human but not on Earth. I have been working with another telepath for the past 8 years. It has taken him 40 years of contact in order to bring forth a new system of mathematics that will help bring mankind out of the preverbal dark ages. With this system, new technological information and breakthroughs have occurred in the natural sciences that you will start to see being implemented in the next few years. Even now, after 40 years of communication, occasionally something will get through that puts us back by weeks in the development of these projects. It is only when we ascertain the origination of the message that we are able to offset certain things. My cautions are just that. Cautions. Holmes' information is valid to a point but there are some things that are so far off the mark that it makes me question. This being from my own experience of what I know and what has been proven to me time and time again. I am glad to see that by DE starting this thread, Holmes has been able to question and learn something about what it is that he is here for and picked up further discernment techniques. Trust your heart Holmes. As you may have noticed I do not usually get involved in many discussions on this forum. Everything I do I do for a reason. If Holmes has gotten anything out of this, then my time was not wasted. If he can get beyond feeling attacked and looks at the true nature in which this was truly intended, then I am glad to have spent the time. It is very difficult to put a 16 hour lecture (which I give every now and then) into a few words without getting the entire message across. And if that pisses a few people off so be it. But as I said if someone, anyone got anything out of this then I am happy to have spent the time. If one chooses to criticize without wanting to learn more, myself included, then one is missing the reason for being here in the first place? knowledge and growth. Not all things are right for all people for we are all at a different stage in our developments. I do not just mean in this life but in all the lives we have led and lived and learned. I would be happy to send the tangents (this is what I call the information that I relay) that I have written to anyone who wants them. Go to my profile for my e-mail and I will send them to you. They are too long for this format. They also cover many subjects, and they are written in such a way that you will notice a progression in energy as you progress through the writings. My views are controversial to say the least, especially when I start on certain aspects of the bible, but once you see the final outcome (which is not complete yet,) things will start to make sense. last of all I will be in contact via e-mail to help tune in your capabilities. it will take about 30 seconds... if that. I will be glad to help you determine what is a frequency transmission, and what is coming from your higher self. may the creator of all that is guide you on your quest for reperfection Holmes, you will soon know what it is i speak of. take care Jonesy

HOLMES	27 May 2003
actually what i learn jonesy was to stay true to my path, even when questioned, by coming from a honest spirit. i want to reliterate that i never felt "attacked" was just trying to shed some postive light on the fears and criticism that was brought up by you. (not criticism of myself, but of the whole channeling process in general ) channeling is my spiriality that forms the basis for my contact with the source which is the all, the god and goddess. it been so for the last 8 years. and so that was where i was coming from. and i found it to be like two differnt preachers (for lack of a better terms ) coming from difffernt approachs while they are really still trying to talk for the same higher power. that being said, my paths is differnt then yours . my path is becoming a more perfect light . which is a slightly differnt in wording :O). that is the terms used by orin and daben and when i heard that i knew i had found the one for me. it is a gentle path one where the guides lead one by gentleness, and peace through nature. (example when a view is presented it is just an alternative way to see things not "the"way which is what i learned a good channel should be)(less we fall into actual preaching and gurunes which we discuss here throughout the posts ) however it moves and changes and grows, may the life force be with you .. (the force get it ?:O)

amyel	27 May 2003
It seems to me that channelling is deeply personal for each person here who has experienced it. I have to ask: Does it matter "where" the messages come from, if they are received in light & love and communicated in light & love? I have found it fascinating to read through this thread. Channelling is something I know little of and have no experience with - to my knowledge- and so it was intresting to read through the thoughts and experiences each of the posters has had.

Dark Inquisitor	27 May 2003
Quote: Originally posted by jonesy Diana, Once again it is shown that people only take out of things what it is that they want to. I did say human; I also said anywhere in the universe. To think that we are the only humanoid lifeforms in this speck of dust in the cosmos, what we call home would be like a farmer planting a full field of wheat... for only one stalk to grow in that field would be unnatural. The statement about telepathy coming from another human would not seem so comical if one would expand ones horizons and think outside of the box. If one chooses to criticize without wanting to learn more, myself included, then one is missing the reason for being here in the first place? The assumptions listed above are quite incorrect. I think you assume : I don't believe there are humans elsewhere in the universe. I don't think telepathy is possible. I am small minded & can't think outside the box & am unwilling to learn. Absolutely none of that had anything to do with what I wrote. You have no way of definitively proving you are working with a telepath from somewhere else , any more than anybody else can prove with absolute certainty what or whom they are truly channeling. It is just a fact, not a criticism. You could post your tangents broken up into different threads or posts. Tarotphelia

DarkElectric	27 May 2003
My goodness, what an education we all got, eh? I learned so much. Couldn't bear to waste anyone's time. People have thanked me for starting this thread. They can thank me now for ending it.

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