What Card? 4 Swords

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 15 May 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

jmd	15 May 2003
I'll try a different approach: image Four curves, points at which the buds do unfurl, and amidst the central dual almond germs a rose of blue delight... possible meaning My thoughts, stable as they are, may for others appear dry and dead... Which card am I!?!

Kazz	15 May 2003
Ummmm!!! Four of Swords??

Kiama	16 May 2003
4 of Cups? Alot of fours around today!

firemaiden	16 May 2003
Its gotta be what Kazz said. Four curves, double almond, blue flower. The only detail that gives me to pause, is "points at which their buds do unfurl" Four cries out to be a four, and the curves cry out to be swords, and the dual center almond cries out to be the four of swords. The very phallic central blue rose clinches the deal. But would you be so obvious jmd? Or did you mean perhaps the four curves of the vines, defining the space around Eight Cups? The center is not quite a double almond, but a double oval. The center flower is fully-open with a glaring red center, unlike all the other, half-closed (still un-furling) blue flowers on this card. On the two of swords, one might count many more curves than two as well, depending upon how you approach geometry...

allibee	16 May 2003
ahhh ... so this is a specific deck we are talking about .... NOW I understand, LOL, but not knowing the deck.... I have no idea :O) Stab in the dark: I was thinking it was a Wand due to the bit about the buds, and then I thought about ideas, could still be a wand ... then I thought about others seeing the idea as stale, could be a reversal... But like I said, just groping in the dark, LOL A.

firemaiden	16 May 2003
Yes, alibee, not exactly a specific specific deck, but a Marseilles type deck. I am supposing that any Marseilles deck would have approximately the same image, although the coloring might vary. (Mine is the Camoin)

jmd	16 May 2003
Between the time-zone differences, and my last 24 hours, I didn't get a chance to check... but, yes, Kazz is correct, the four of Swords it is! The colours of the flowers are various on different woodcuts. The Schaffhouse one tends more to the bluish. Though not quite 'almond', the vesica type shapes are at times, and in the esoteric tradition, described as 'almond'-like. I thought that if I mentioned the vesica it would be just too obvious - but it also looks like I didn't make it sufficiently veiled (but then again, is the veiling the exercise?) ...anyhow, over to you Kazz, and thanks for everyone's patience :)

allibee	17 May 2003
Quote: Originally posted by jmd I thought that if I mentioned the vesica it would be just too obvious - hehehe ... not to me LOL, I know nothing about the esoteric side.... or the deck. So it was a triumph in veiling, jmd ... for those that have no knowledge of these things, anway :O) We look forward to your teaser Kazz Allison

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