What card am I (Literature clues) - new game

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 12 Nov 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Diana	12 Nov 2003
Every dictator is a mystic, and every mystic is a potential dictator. A mystic craves obedience from men, nor their agreement. He wants them to surrender their consciouness to his assertions, his edicts, his wishes, his whim - as his consciousness is surrendered to theirs. He wants to deal with men by means of faith and force - he finds no satisfaction in their consent if he must earn it by means of facts and reason. Reason is the enemy he dreads and, simultaneously, considers precarious; reason, to him, is a means of deception; he feels that men possess some power more potent than reason - and only their causeless belief or their forced obedience can give him a sense of security, a proof that he has gained control of the mystic endowment he lacked. His lust is to command, not to convince; conviction requires an act of independence and rests on the absolute of an objective reality. What he seeks is power over reality and over men's means of perceiving it, their mind, the power to interpose his will between existence and consciousness, as if, by agreeing to fake the reality he orders them to fake, men would, in fact, create it. from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

skytwig	12 Nov 2003
King of Swords

Diana	12 Nov 2003
I knew someone would come up with the King of Swords.... because he had crossed my mind too. But only briefly. The Dictator is there alright... but not the Mystic. So no, it is not the King of Swords. :)

jmd	12 Nov 2003
XV the Devil })

Diana	12 Nov 2003
The Devil is a good guess. A very good guess. But it's no. The Devil doesn't dread reason. If he can use it for his cause, he will take it up happily and use it as his ally. I'm not sure what he dreads... unity perhaps?

jmd	12 Nov 2003
Well... my first thought, then, V The Pope

Galiana	12 Nov 2003
The Emperor?

Diana	13 Nov 2003
Not the Pope. Not the Emperor. I don't have time to explain now why (I'm in a rush, but will do so as soon as possible). Don't forget: each Tarot card has a shadow side to it. (Some people call them "reversals". I think that is the vulgar term for "shadow side".)

gloria	13 Nov 2003
The Chariot?

jmd	13 Nov 2003
II the Papess [[i]High Priestess[/i]] Rx [ps ... and i thought all this time that 'shadow side' was just the vulgar for 'reversed' ;)]

firemaiden	13 Nov 2003
That's a scary quote, Diana King of Wands?

Major Tom	13 Nov 2003
Hmmm. The Mystic. I might have guessed the Pope but apparently that's wrong. :confused: I like Jmd's guess of the Pappess. ;) Isn't the Hermit the Mystic? })

Black dragon	13 Nov 2003
OK I don't know much about reversed or "shadow side" or wotever people call them as I don't use them but assuming you do, I will say the Magician reversed, due to the magician not being a dictator but if he's reversed would he become, I don't know. but theirs lots in the quote that sounds either of magician or oppersite the magician, The Magician Reversed. Black Dragon.

Mystic Zyl	13 Nov 2003
The Magician, although he really does not appear power hungry, he could use his magic to manipulate situations for his own benefit. Agrees with Black Dragon.

skytwig	13 Nov 2003
That has to be it.... black dragon must have nailed the 'beastie'..... a twisted, grumpy Magician!!!! That makes sense! You got us with this one, Diana!! :laugh:

Diana	13 Nov 2003
You people are all very clever. I thought people would say The Pope (Hierophant). And then I could jump on them and say "Aha!!! You think the Pope is a mystic????" He's not a mystic. Reversed (can I be vulgar here?) he can be a bigot. Unreversed he's a teacher, or someone who bestows real blessings. Of course, I hesitated a long time when I re-read this passage from this remarkable book (remarkable doesn't mean I go along with everything in it.....). And I thought: is this mystic a Reversed Bateleur (sometimes referred to the Magician)? I thought long and hard, and decided no. He's ALMOST a mystic/dictator, but not quite. He somehow lacks the charisma, and he's way too materialistic. Yes, indeed. The card I chose for this quote is........ The Papess (shadow side). Fear the Papess when she is reversed. She is far worse than the Devil (reversed). She will twist and corrupt all things spiritual. And worse of all, she doesn't even have a sense of humour! jmd: It's your turn again. (You are winning a lot of things these days. Perhaps your planets are well aligned.)

skytwig	13 Nov 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Diana The Papess (shadow side). Fear the Papess when she is reversed. She is far worse than the Devil (reversed). She will twist and corrupt all things spiritual. And worse of all, she doesn't even have a sense of humour! Sheesh :D..... ok, yup..... i have met a few of these in my lifetime.... very scarie creatures........ :eek:

jmd	13 Nov 2003
:) Thanks... I'll need a little time to find a quote... :):):)

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