Literature Clue [30th Dec.] - Solved

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 29 Dec 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

jmd	29 Dec 2003
I was going to pick a long passage from the incredible writings of J. Simms's An Original and Illustrated Physiological and Physiognomical Chart (1882), when a wonderful little quote from Johnson (no other reference) was included in item 12 of the section on 'Ordinimentality' (p 174): [font=papyrus] Order is a lovely nymph, the child of Beauty and Wisdom. [/font] Though short, I have really had to reflect as to which card seems to best be echoed in these words - a reflection not all may agree with :)

MattDouglas	30 Dec 2003
I'll start off with The World. The quote seems to refer to order as the result of a process and The World is a card of completion. Beauty and wisdom could be said to be properties of the woman on the card. Also, the corresponding astrological symbol is Satuurn who is quite orderly.

Jewel-ry	30 Dec 2003
I'm going to say the Sun. This is because I read somewhere that sunflowers have something to do with a nymph and of course Sun can represent order and beauty. J :)

gloria	30 Dec 2003
How about Strength? Some see the figure wrestling with the lion as being that of the beautiful nymph Cyrene.

Diana	30 Dec 2003
Beauty and Wisdom gave birth perhaps to..... Justice VIII?

firemaiden	30 Dec 2003
Lets see, if wisdom is the sophia-highpriestess, who is beauty... hmmm the knight of cups? I'll make their child the princess of cups.

Kiama	30 Dec 2003
Oh poo, Diana got there with my first guess before I could! (Justice) So, instead, just in case, I'll go for... *Thinks* Death. Odd, I know, but if you add the number of Death together (1+3) you get 4: the number of order. Kiama

jmd	30 Dec 2003
Kiama... you are closer than you think! as to the other guesses... naaa :D well, they each could be... and in fact may be better than what came to my mind... but they're not the one upon which I settled :)

Jewel-ry	30 Dec 2003
How about Empress? Working on the result of one (Magician) and two (High Priestess. J :)

gloria	30 Dec 2003
4/Wands?

Diana	30 Dec 2003
A long short, but I'll try. Papess?

Minderwiz	30 Dec 2003
Temperance There's Beauty and Wisdom in an Angel :) edited to add that I also thought of the 4 of Wands but gloria got there first :(

Kiama	30 Dec 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Minderwiz Temperance There's Beauty and Wisdom in an Angel :) Of course! I think you've got it Minderwiz... (Why on Earth didn't I think of this one??!!) That's what I would have guessed secondly. Well, just in case it isn't... Judgement? A bit like Justice in that it is equilibrium in one sense, and therefore order... Kiama

jmd	30 Dec 2003
I'm not sure what a long short is... maybe it's what I'm wearing in this Melbourne heat... though they're a pair, actually. But the other pair... err... number II, is not the card. Gloria is gloriously close. Temperance certainly fits the description too, and jewel-ry's explanation of her choice makes so much sense! Judgement, especially in the creation of Order, is also so apt... When I thought through this quote, I reflected more on which card seems to capture 'Order' in the world - the latter part of the quote, being a child of Beauty and Wisdom, provided more an aspect of reflecting upon the card... and certainly not in any form depicted in the RWCS.

Jewel-ry	31 Dec 2003
Must be the obvious then, Emperor?? J :)

jmd	31 Dec 2003
The Emperor may order the Order... but is not the order itself... ;)

spoonbender	31 Dec 2003
Quote: When I thought through this quote, I reflected more on which card seems to capture 'Order' in the world. Four of Coins then? :confused:

Diana	31 Dec 2003
Another long short.... or let's say a short long: I'll vote for the 4 of Swords. (You know, the parties and people I vote for rarely get elected - does this mean I vote for the wrong ones? Or does it just mean that I am not a sheep? Or does it mean I am barking up the wrong tree? Or does it mean I need to get my head in ORDER?) 4 of Swords???? (jmd: the Swords are the earth element for you, if my memory is not betraying me.)

gloria	31 Dec 2003
How about The Hanged Man? His legs are in the shape of the figure four. Also card is associated with consistency. (order?)

jmd	31 Dec 2003
.... and first win in the new year: [font=zapfino] Spoonbender !!! [/font]

spoonbender	31 Dec 2003
Thanks, Jmd! Shall have to think about a new literature quote, though, I'll get back to you guys as soon as possible! Warm regards and hope you have a fantastic new year! Spoonbender

Diana	02 Jan 2004
Well??? We're waiting. :D :D :D I see we both have signatures from Einstein. Does that make us cyber-siblings?

spoonbender	02 Jan 2004
Diana, my dear cyber-sibling! Bit of an addict, ey :D? Don't worry, I just found something useful, I'm gonna post it right away - hope it isn't too difficult or too easy!

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