Literary Quote (13th Jan.) - Solved

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 12 Jan 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

jmd	12 Jan 2004
From the Jainaist Uttaradhyayana Sutra, 6:10: [font=papyrus] Clever talking will not work salvation; how should philosophical instruction do it? Fools, though sinking lower and lower through their sins, believe themselves to be wise men. [/font]

MattDouglas	12 Jan 2004
If you are using the Marseilles deck than I'll say... King of Coins. He may be really comfortable on his throne, but it's without support on all but one side. You could say the throne's balance point is "off the mark", which is where the word "sin" comes from (missing the mark in archery). Despite the fact the it looks like he's about to roll down the hill, he has a look on his face that says he thinks he has it all together.

joya250	12 Jan 2004
sounds like the Hierophant to me!

CreativeFire	13 Jan 2004
My guess is The Devil ... The line: "Fools, though sinking lower and lower through their sins, believe themselves to be wise men." makes me think of with The Devil, they remain chained to this block of inhibition, restricted because they cannot face the truth about themselves... CreativeFire

jmd	13 Jan 2004
None of those... actually, the card I have in mind for the quote applies as much to the RWCS, the CH Thoth, the Marseilles or indeed numerous other decks... It is in some ways what may be said as a reflection of the image on the card, rather than describing it... (now I've probably 'confluscated' more than clarified :D) I can see how the Devil applies to the last section of the quote, and how the Hierophant applies to the 'instruction' within the whole quote. The King of Coins also fits well.... as described by MattDouglas... ...and apologies for not responding soonder to the earlier suggestions...

gloria	13 Jan 2004
I think it could be the Hanged Man.

Mystic Zyl	13 Jan 2004
King of Swords

Kaz	13 Jan 2004
king wands/batons/sticks/etc

Diana	13 Jan 2004
Hermit? kaz: jmd has found a new name for those wands/batons/sticks, etc... He calls them "Wooden stick things". http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?threadid=21311

jmd	13 Jan 2004
Hermit it is ! :):):)

Agathe	13 Jan 2004
The High Priestess

Diana	13 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by jmd Hermit it is ! Lordy! Who would have believed it? (Me! :laugh: ) So this means that I have to now be the Fool who sinks lower and lower through my sins, believing myself to be a wise woman. A tall order for some.... but simple for me! Give me a day please - I'm very busy right now doing other stuff.

Agathe	13 Jan 2004
Sorry for posting this the High Priestess. I didn't notice jmd's post...duh :D Diana...congratulations!!!

joya250	13 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by jmd From the Jainaist Uttaradhyayana Sutra , 6:10: [font=papyrus] Clever talking will not work salvation; how should philosophical instruction do it? Fools, though sinking lower and lower through their sins, believe themselves to be wise men. [/font] hi jmd, can you help explain the connection to the Hermit??? I'm not sure I understand the correlation... thanks! joya

jmd	13 Jan 2004
errr.... OK ... I'll attempt to explain the connection as I saw it. First, let me say that when I get a quote, I try to see if any cards really emerge as I reflect on the quote, and if so, do they remain. As I reflected on the quote, what came is that the quote was about the Wisdom in a human being (anthropo-sophia). Given that the first part mentions that it is not by clever talking, an aspect of silence became reflected in the quote. Not by philosophical chatter - but by reflection. Once wisdom has been achieved, it becomes as an inner light which, though illuminating oneself - and hence those with whom one mingles - will still be still. Be 'alone', be as a Hermit. Many have gone into the depths trying to break down what they seek to understand into constituent parts - maybe even pedantically questioning (which also has its place). They may believe to have achieved wisdom, yet only the plumets of knowledge may have been found. To ascend the steep of Wisdom is not through clever talking, nor from continuously going astray upon the path ('sin', in its more original sense). 'Salvation' includes many lonely steps with which the Hermit is familiar... _____ Undoubtedly not the only way to reflect on the quote... nor the way others may primarily seen it... :):):)

joya250	13 Jan 2004
thank you! Sometimes I like to think. .....sometimes I like to be fed. ;) I enjoyed your analysis.

gloria	14 Jan 2004
Hi JMD...yes I agree with Joya.....your analyses always give food for thought and something I for one always look forward too. So a big thanks! :)

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