Literature Clue [April 1] - Solved

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 31 Mar 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

OakDragon	31 Mar 2004
Here's the clue I came up with. I hope you find it challenging! ;) "perished have safe small facts of hilltop (barn house wellsweep forest & clearing) gone are enormous near far silent truths of mountain (strolling is there here everywhere fairyair feelable heavenless warm sweet mistfully whispering rainlife) infinite also ourselves exist sans shallbe or was (laws clocks fears hopes beliefs compulsions doubts & corners) worlds are to dream now dreams are to breathe" e.e. cummings (poem #83 from his collection "95 Poems", published in 1958. I found this poem in his "Complete Poems 1904-1962" published in 1991, on p. 755)

lionette	31 Mar 2004
Hi OakDragon the Sun?

OakDragon	31 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by lionette Hi OakDragon the Sun? No, sorry.

ncefafn	31 Mar 2004
For some reason, I'm picturing someone between the worlds, thus I'm choosing Temperance for my first guess. Kim

jmd	31 Mar 2004
the FOOL :D

OakDragon	01 Apr 2004
Nope, no one's got it yet.

CreativeFire	01 Apr 2004
long shot here Justice ? CreativeFire

OakDragon	01 Apr 2004
No, it's not Justice either.

jmd	01 Apr 2004
Hermit ?

CreativeFire	01 Apr 2004
okay let's try ... The Moon? "worlds are to dream now dreams are to breathe" CreativeFire

Dark Eyes	01 Apr 2004
The world..?

Kiama	01 Apr 2004
Seems quite fantastical and dreamy, so I am guessing the 7 of Cups? Kiama

OakDragon	01 Apr 2004
Sorry, no. None of those answers are right, either.

ncefafn	01 Apr 2004
I'm going to do a jmd here. So far, it's not: Fool Hermit Justice Temperance Moon Sun World 7 of Cups So, my next guess is Judgement. Kim

OakDragon	01 Apr 2004
No, it's not Judgment. Keep trying! :)

miss_apples	01 Apr 2004
How about Strength?

lionette	01 Apr 2004
I'll try the Hierophant ?

ncefafn	01 Apr 2004
How about Death?

OakDragon	01 Apr 2004
Nope, sorry. No one has it yet. It's one of the numbered minor arcana, and while the poem's meaning fits better with the meaning of the card, the picture on the card (RWS) is somewhat appropriate, too. I'd say lionette (Sun) and Klama have come the closest so far.

jmd	01 Apr 2004
8 Cups?... I really not sure here...

ncefafn	01 Apr 2004
jmd, I just did a Tarot reading, and you're right, it's 8 of Cups. ;)

Dark Eyes	02 Apr 2004
"The lovers" perhaps.... Dreaming of a future together, and making choices...?

Kiama	02 Apr 2004
I'm sticking with the dreamy/fantasy thing, and guessing the Hanged Man? Kiama

OakDragon	02 Apr 2004
Keep trying, everyone! :D

miss_apples	02 Apr 2004
4 of wands?

Kissa	02 Apr 2004
four of cups? kissa

OakDragon	02 Apr 2004
Not quite, but you're getting closer. I might have chosen 4 of wands, but I think, personally, that the poem is rather cuppy. ;)

Kissa	02 Apr 2004
ace of cups was my second guess. i agree that the poem is veeeery cuppy kissa

mercenary30	02 Apr 2004
Four of Swords would be my guess.

OakDragon	02 Apr 2004
Nope, and nope. Guess again! PS: I hope my explanation satisfies you all when this is over. :) I didn't think it would be this difficult. I hope the reactions tend more toward "Oh, DUH!" as opposed to "What in the world was he thinking?!" LOL

miss_apples	02 Apr 2004
10 of cups?

lawguy51	02 Apr 2004
I don't even understand the poem, therefore I choose the 7 of Cups.

CreativeFire	02 Apr 2004
6 of Cups The remembering of once was, now a dream .... CreativeFire

ncefafn	02 Apr 2004
Two of cups. C'mon gang, we'll get there eventually! :)

OakDragon	02 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by miss_apples 10 of cups? Yay! miss_apples got it! It's the 10 of cups. Here's my reasoning: "perished have safe small facts of hilltop (barn house wellsweep forest & clearing) gone are enormous near far silent truths of mountain" "Small facts of hilltop" and "truths of mountain" remind me of the expression about making mountains out of molehills. They are gone, so there are no more worries, big or small. The barn house, etc. bit reminds me of day-to-day domestic cares. "(strolling is there here everywhere fairyair feelable heavenless warm sweet mistfully whispering rainlife)" Everything around you is pleasant. It's a joy to be alive. "heavenless" to me means that this is an earthly experience, i.e. it is happening now, a dream of perfection brought to life. "infinite also ourselves exist sans shallbe or was" Another reference to living in the present moment, with no concern for the past or future. Also, more than one person is implied. "(laws clocks fears hopes beliefs compulsions doubts & corners)" Some of the worries and cares that have vanished. "worlds are to dream now dreams are to breathe" Everything is perfect. The world is a dream brought to life. Summary: Everything is perfect in the present moment. All cares and worries have vanished. Happiness and contentment reign supreme. The people on the card seem to be celebrating their present circumstances in a carefree way. The children and the farm house in the background imply a domestic scene, leading me to believe that there cares are mainly the mundane, day-to-day sorts of things. The 10 of cups according to the RRWS LWB: "Contentment, repose of the entire heart -- the perfection of that state..."

ncefafn	02 Apr 2004
Yay Miss Apples!!! Congratulations!

miss_apples	02 Apr 2004
YAY! Your explanation makes sense. Now I got to go looking for a Literature clue :)

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