Ten Pentacles on the Tree of Life

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 03 Dec 2001, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Pollux	03 Dec 2001
I will post an old, yet unanswered topic again. We all should be deeply aware of the references and correlations in the esoteric world - from Wicca, to Kabbalah and Erbalism. Now I wonder: Why, on the 10 of Pentacles, the ten pentacles themselves are placed as the "sephirots" of the Tree of Life? It may spund stupid, but the Rider-Waite deck is a well-known example of mystical/mythical/symbolistic painting, and I have no doubt there's a special meaning for that. Actually, I looked for clues around, but never seem to get one: as if writers had skipped this.

Jewel	03 Dec 2001
That is really interesting ... I had not really noticed that before (then again I do not work with the RW deck). If find it curious because the card should represent the earth aspect of the 10th Sephiroth not of the tree. Guess I will have to check that card out more carefully to see if he balances the elements on and between the pillars as well .... hum ...

catlin	04 Dec 2001
Hi, Didn't the members of the Golden Dawn also use Kabbalistic knowledge? Some references of the Tree of life and Tarot are mentioned in Rachel Pollack's excellent "Illustrated guide to Tarot".

AmounrA	04 Dec 2001
The taro and the tree of life are so heavily linked it makes on assume the taro where designed to be used with it. The tree itself is much older than kabbalist use, moses took it from egypt. there are 22 paths linking the spheres on the tree of life, each path has a trump. There are 10 spheres and the 40 minor cards are designed to match them. The king/queen/prince/princess is a kabbalist fomula of tetragramaton. waite himself did design his cards for kabbalistic use, although the thoth deck are far superior to them. The golden dawn did some quite inspired work with the tree of life and taro.......more opening a secret. The taro where still considered dangerous until quite recently, they went underground for a long long time. Some of the older decks are mere mocks of the true taro, they had to be ,or the users would have been executed(europe). The problem with the waite deck is that it keeps a lot of the christian appeasment within them ...cards like 'judgement' 'high priest' are remnants of the christian influence on the cards. The thoth deck was the first taro to really open up, and express the taro's true nature and potential.

jmd	05 Dec 2001
Quote: Pollux (03 Dec, 2001 22:36): Why, on the 10 of Pentacles, the ten pentacles themselves are placed as the "sephirots" of the Tree of Life?...I looked for clues around, but never seem to get one: as if writers had skipped this. I must admit that I have never read any book which explains the historical why Waite or Colman-Smith used this Tree of Life pattern, and I was hoping someone else had... In terms of the esoteric why, it makes perfect sense. Remember that at the time it came out, there were few detailed books on the Tarot and its then recent association with the Kabbalah... of the books available, most were certainly in French (Waite himself translated some of them into English!) From an image perspective, it certainly provided a key to 'those who had eyes to see': Waite had clearly used the Kabbalah as one of the keys he intended used (as did the Golden Dawn) to unlock the secrets of the Tarot. If one is working with the Tree of Life regularly, and one is then asked to draw an image with esoteric import having ten cicrles, then the pattern of the Tree is such an obvious one! When I first came across the deck, I had used older varieties for many a year, and had also worked and studied various aspects of Kabbalah. To me, it was a very clear instruction: use the Tree if you seek to understand me. It was only later I realised that Waite had been involved with the Golden Dawn, and that his own later order itself used modifications of those rituals, but far more wordy and far more Christian (he was, after all, a deep esoteric Christian... hence the reason for some clear changes in the deck to Biblical themes... eg, Death as the fourth horse in the Apocalypse!) I do not think that the Tarot was intended to be used with the Kabbalah... rather, some esotericists, clearly working and combining both disciplines, also combined them visually on their decks. Not all representations of the Tree of Life have 22 paths: some early ones have 16, some do not have any! Tarot designers and post 19th century western esotericists, on the other hand, usually only use the 22 pathed version, partly because they must if they presume that a connection exists intrinsically between the two. What Amoun rA writes above is certainly the view held by some... but it is certainly not shared by all. Having said this, I value the gifts provided to us all by the creative output of Lady Freida Harris and Crowley, resulting in the Thoth deck (by the way, calling the Tarot the Book of Thoth predates Crowley's birth).

AmounrA	05 Dec 2001
The earliest tree of life I have seen is mesapotanian,(the tree is older than the kabbala) it had 13 spheres, and more than 22 paths. The book of thoth was so called, because it took the taro back to its true origins,Egypt. The formats have evolved and changed, waite was an early member of the golden dawn, but the more advanced later orders of A.A & Thelma shun him. The reason has a lot to do with waite's religous beliefs. The taro has also undergone many changes in its history, but the decks we are all familar with today, 22 trumps,4 groups 10, 16 minor's where designed for use with the tree of life.

jmd	05 Dec 2001
I concur that there are very early representations of the Biblical Tree of Life, of which the palm-like Mesopotamian is an example. These certainly predate the post 12th century developments of the Kabbalah ('tradition')... To claim that the Tarot's 'true' origins is Egyptian is, in my opinion, misleading. Any esoteric 'tool', ritual, or set of understanding has a long traditional history, along which metamorphoses occurs. A butterfly and the caterpillar are certainly one and the same being, but a butterfly only starts being a butterfly following the caterpillar's transformation. The Tarot has undoubtedly living influences from ancient Egypt... but as a pictorial deck of 78 cards, it undoubtedly arises from mediaeval Europe. With regards to Waite, I am certain that members of his order did not consider Crowley's A.A. more advanced... probably the contrary... and probably also partly because of the differing religious views. Since its inception, all decks which have retained the 'Tarot' nomenclature have basically maintained the basic structure of the Marseilles deck... and of course, not all decks either traditionally or recently designed have assumed a Qabalistic correlation... though some recent (post 1850s) ones have.

AmounrA	05 Dec 2001
HELLO jmd. The reason most post 1850's decks are more alligned to the tree of life, is thanks in a big way to Eliphaz Levi, he did a lot to bring the taro back to what they where ment to be....a tree of life tool. In the years before 1800 the taro was really taboo in any deep sense, the religous powers in europe forced the true meaning of the taro to be hidden. ( I believe australia only last week lifted it's laws against witchcraft & profesional divination) . This is the reason the post 1850's taro are more true in meaning than the older ones. mediaeval europe is no place to look for the truth about the taro. I agree that the egyptian link is a case of personal belief, the origins of the cards are obscure, but I do believe they are egyptian in nature. The mesapotanian tree of life dates back past 3,000 b.c, in egypt the dead pharoh had to walk through a wall , with the symbol of the tree of life on his staff. they predate by thousands of years the kabbalistic use of the tree.( the egyptian tree had 13 spheres also). On Crowley, I guess a lot depends on your view about the book of the law(1904 Aiwass transmissions). I personally believe the book of the law is exactly what Crowley said it was.

jmd	05 Dec 2001
I agree with Amoun rA that a big credit is due to Eliphas Levi Zahed (Alphonse Louis Constant, to give his French name which he translated into Hebrew following his Qabalistic interests) for Kabbalistic correlations... and that much of his work was published around the 1850s, hence the reason for the date on my earlier post, correctly identified by Amoun rA. Where I disagree with his post is 'he did a lot to bring the taro back to what they where ment to be'. I do not think they are meant to be linked with the Tree of Life... Prior to, and post, 1800 in Europe, there were certainly laws against using card games, and other laws which affected divination in some places... It should also be remembered, however, that the ban on popular activities has never been really effective to the various esoteric communities which also flourished in parts of Europe where different laws and levels of leniancy also existed. Amoun rA's statement about the laws in Australia regarding witchcraft and divination is in fact a good case in point... I do not know which state it was which presumably last week revoked such a law, but I presume it is probably Queensland... The majority of Australians do not, of course, live under Queensland laws, and even in Queensland, certain areas were and are far more tolerant, despite that law, than other parts. The deeper truth about Tarot can be penetrated through mediaeval Europe... Increasing one's understanding of the times and places in which Tarot actually arose can give us a vastly enriched sense of the beautiful subtleties, varieties and meanings intrinsic to the cards. Studying other disciplines, history and mythology deepens our own broader understanding. With this deepened, there is no doubt that we can then bring more to the Tarot... Though it seems we have points of disagreement, Amoun rA, I value your posts and contributions...

AmounrA	05 Dec 2001
The golden dawns early work on the tree of life and taro, was led by MacGregor Mathers. He told that he had recieved his information from secret chiefs, but it is suspected that he had aquired old documents which contained the links (sorry to be so vague). Whatever the truth may be, the Golden Dawn did seem to appear out of the blue with a great deal of exceptional 'new' information/connections. I am not sure you can use modern day Queensland as a case in point for mediaevel attitudes towards taro/occult practitioners. A lot of occult knowledge/ritual is buried within freemasonary ( the widows son is horus), and to this day they won't acknowledge that. In many ways the golden dawn was a branch of freemasonary. French freemasons where a lot more 'powerful', this is why so much occult based information came out of france. I have studied many disciplines, however, none of them suit the taro anything like the tree of life.....both for divination and pathworking uses. If the taro weren't designed with the tree of life very much in mind then the links between them are a stunning example of synchronicity.....meaningful alignments.....perhaps the very thing that allows the taro to work in the first place. :-)

Talisman	06 Dec 2001
AmounrA and JMD, This has been a fascinating discussion, just great fun to read. Allow me some thoughts . . . Eliphas Levi in developing his theory and linking the Tarot to the Kabbalah was influenced by Antoine Court de Gebelin. Court de Gebelin declared the Tarot to be the remnant of the Book of Thoth, created by the Egyptian god of magic to convey all knowledge to his disciples. With the Renaisance revival of classical learning went a revival of the Greek and Roman belief in Egyptian hieroglyphic wisdom. The Book of Thoth/Tarot idea was not nearly as fanciful as some of the fantasies spun by serious scholars who "interpreted" Egyptian hieroglyphs, including the Venetian, Pierius Valerianus and the Jesuit priest, Anthanasius Kircher. Egypt was "in the air," and who was to say they were wrong? No one could really read the hieroglyphs. Then, of course, Napoleon invaded Egypt in 1798, and in 1799 a demolition squad of his soldiers discovered the Rosetta Stone built into an old wall in the village of Rashid (Rosetta). Thomas Young began the deciphering of the stone, but it was Jean-Francois Champollion who broke the Eqyptian code, announcing his discovery in 1823. Boom! All those amazing and fantastic Egypt discoveries by serious scholars, or scholars who were taken seriously, were revealed as rubble. AmounrA, I think you better hold onto the idea of the connection as "a stunning example of synchronicity." Well, synchronicity is a relatively new idea proposed by Carl Jung, but an absolutely stunning concept. So, I'll propose an idea that I believe, and you can both disagree with me. JMD wrote, and AmounrA agreed, : "Studying other disciplines, history and mythology deepens our own broader understanding. With this deepened, there is no doubt that we can then bring more to the Tarot..." Well, I think Tarot does belong to mythology. French anthropologist Claude Levi-Strauss, in his "Structural Anthropology," the section entitled "The Structural Study of Myth," suggests something like this: A culture's myths evolve by addition, substraction, recombination and mutation. The parts that do not serve, or that debilitate, are lost when the tribe that contains them dies. Those that enhance or maintain the tribal body's survival are passed on. So, myths (Tarot) evolve. They are kept and retold, or discarded and forgotten, as the needs and natures of societies change. Consider this statement by anthropologist L. Warren Douglas (and substitute Tarot for myth): "Myth is not history, though some historic tales serve as normative myths; evaluating a myth for historic accuracy, or, worse, debunking and rejecting it on historic grounds, is akin to rejecting gold coins because their pouch is frayed." Talisman

AmounrA	06 Dec 2001
There a nice example of synchronicity in Jungs esssay " Synchronicity :an causal Connecting Principle"........A female patient had been having dreams in which she was given a golden scarab, whilst in Jungs study, telling him of this dream, jung heard a ' gentle' tapping sound on the window behind him. Jung turned around to see an insect knocking againt the window pane. He opened the window and caught it in his hands. The insect to quote jung was ........" the nearest analogy to a golden scarab that one finds in our latitude, a Scarabaeid beetle, the comman rose- chaffer, which contary to its usual habits had evidently felt an urge to get into a dark room at this particular moment" .........synchronicity is indeed an absolutely stunning concept.

jmd	06 Dec 2001
As Talisman pointed out, the first Egyptian connection was made by de Gebelin (vol 9)... 25 or so years before the Rosetta Stone was deciphered... this is very important history. This of course assumes that the work which some have ascribed to Iamblicus is, as many believe (and with which I too concur), the work of Jean Paul or one of his associates. With regards to mythology, Levi-Strauss's Structural Anthropology is masterful, and I do think that serious Tarot students should at some stage look at what he, and J. Campbell, have to say. Not that one needs to agree with all... after all, I found Campbell's book on the Tarot uncharacteristically shallow. A contemporary example of what can be discarded with time has occurred very recently: with the ever popular Harry Potter. The books have many items which have made some schools prohibit them. I know that some have done it because of the 'magical' element, but others have been concerned by the relationship of the boy to adults, and the inherent cynicism and lack of reverence and awe found in the book... but totally dropped in the film! I mention this to show an example of a saga which is slowly changing. Partly because of many of its internal mythological schema, it is itself being modified and transformed as these influence the work as text. If the saga was orally transmitted and not written down, the transformation would undoubtedly occur even more quickly. What would remain and be accentuated would undoubtedly be the principal mythological elements. With regards to the Golden Dawn (GD), there are a few added points which could be added. Firstly, McKenzie, one of the GD's founders, had visited Eliphas Levi in Paris in, if I remember correctly, the 1860s. At that meeting, Levi had shown McKenzie his Kabbalistic correlations with the Tarot... and so one can easily assess where the GD historically obtained this... though it was modified (Fool as Zero, rather than un-numbered, VIII and XI interchanged... and on the later Waite deck, X as Levi's depiction of the Wheel of Fortune!) Further, the three founders of the GD were all members of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia (SRIA), an esoteric society restricted to Freemasons (F/M). The grades of the GD all correspond to SRIA grades, and the SRIA already contained much of the material which later emerged with the GD, with the exception of three ingredients: the direct reference to Tarot, the admission of women, and the overtly Egyptian overlay of the latter's rituals. The SRIA still exists, and it is still restricted to (male) Freemasons... In different countries, it is also the SRICF (USA), SRIS (Scotland) and others. There are also other orders which derive from these, with modified rituals, requirements &c.. With regards to the Widow's son (an important reference in F/M), it is true that Horus is also a widow's son, and as such Freemasons (including, of course, Co-Masons!) who seek to make a deeper mythological connection have linked (mythologically) Hiram Abiff to Horus... and some have also linked him with Osiris, as both were slain! Tarot, to come back to the main part of this thread, certainly has a mythological dimension. Principally, however, this dimension is added to its pictorial one... though this latter itself arises from a milieu which had its own mythos: Mediaeval Europe. The living esoteric dimensions of their, and our, life, continues to affect and transform our semiotic environment. Also our need to bring together, combine and transform our knowledge is no doubt part of the reason why such important 'disciplines' as the Tarot, Astrology, and Kabbalah have been linked, together with historical discoveries and mythological depth.

jmd	06 Dec 2001
(continued...) Waite was, after all, interested in all of this, and no matter what we personally think of his deck, one of the things he sought to do was to continue the eclectic, but unifying, 'spiritual impulse' of the GD... and probably, to show this, to provide a symbolic key to decipherment: the Zohar version of the Tree of Life on the 10 of Coins. The Spiritual world works in sometimes mysterious ways, and synchronistic elements certainly are often meaningful to the one who notices them... but are they correctly understood?

AmounrA	06 Dec 2001
I think Levi visited MacKenzie in Bulwer Lytton, England. MacKenzie was a high grade freemason who levi visited to discuss a new taro deck. Quite what was going on here is quite misty, Levi was assisted in some way with his studies of kabballa & taro links, and he did not feel that his work should give all the 'secrets' away. His work 'Dogma & Ritual' contained deliberate mistakes. one of 3 freemasons, Dr Westcott, Dr Woodford & Dr Woodman, discovered a documents in an old book which are now known as the cipher manuscripts. It was the discovery of these that led these men to set up the Golden Dawn. I don't know about you JMD , but when a high ranking freemason discovers lost manuscripts in an obscure book in an obscure bookshop ...I get suspicious. The discovery of these ciphers basically led to the Golden Dawns founding in 1886( these ciphers contained the taro attributations and other rituals). Is it not more likley that this was an internal masonic 'set up', With the involvement of british, French & German lodges ? It is not beyond the scope of reality to believe that Freemasonary had the 'key to the taro' buried within certain 'orders', the fact that freemasons are everywhere you look when it comes to the taro's 'coming out' of the 19th century. The templers could very easily of obtained the knowledge when they held the middle east. Speaking again of Jungs Scarab synchronicity,could this be seen as initiation? The scarab 'looks after ' the sun(golden) & is linked with the moon taro card....the card of initiation :-)

Talisman	06 Dec 2001
Golly JMD, and AmounrA, I can't deny that I wanted to start an argument, or at least throw a few gathered sticks on the fire, just to enjoy the blaze. ONE: I was not making light of synchronisticy -- it is what powers advanced physics and mathematics. If you take a look at linguistics, there is the idea that a concept doesn't exist until a word for that concept exists. To super simplify, you can't think it if you can't say it. TWO: When I made the contention that Tarot was a myth, I did not mean a mythological dimension added to its pictorial one, I meant Tarot in totality. "The Spiritual world works in sometimes mysterious ways, and synchronistic elements certainly are often meaningful to the one who notices them... but are they correctly understood?" JMD asks. And the simplistic and simple answer is: Of course not. To sum up my position very simply: Egypt: of course not. Medieval: how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Which brings us to Harry Potter. Hey, I liked the book, and I enjoyed the movie, and I'm ready to discuss either, long as you want. And, I'll take any side of an argument, just to keep it going. But, unless you seriously want to consider its "mythological dimension," I don't think it has much to do with Tarot. Try and start a good agrument . . . (Wanders off grumbling . . .) Talisman

AmounrA	06 Dec 2001
I didn't think you where making light of synchronicity , I got the impression you agree with it :-) As you say advanced physics certainly don't see it as fantasy,( non-locality is the one that makes me smile most). I know the egyptian link is a matter of belief, but its not so crazy. On a score of 1-10, I rate it as a 8 in terms of believing it myself.....so wonder back and smile. AmounrA

jmd	06 Dec 2001
Thanks for that info.. I had not known that Levi returned the visit... nor that at that London visit, they were discussing a new Tarot deck. I know that it has been many times claimed that Dogme & Rituelle contains deliberate 'blinds', or mistakes... This argument has also been used by people who want to change what a respected predecessor has said, whilst simultaneously quote them as an authority. The Cipher manuscript was presumably found not in a bookshop, but in the SRIA's library, to which each of these three had unrestricted access. It is certainly possible that it was so found, rather than manufactured by one of them or one of their peers/predecessors. The talent of Mathers to 'flesh out' such skimpy documents is undoubted, and his experience in Masonry is obvious. That 'freemasons are everywhere you look when it comes to the taro's 'coming out' of the 19th century' is not such an incredible situation: many men (and some women in France), and certainly most men interested in esoteric matters, were Freemasons (this does not imply the inverse: most Freemasons were...and are... probably not interested in matters esoteric). Here we need not presume that Freemasonry contained nor contains all western esoteric currents... rather, it is itself but one of these. That the Templars and Masonry have come to have some connection is also another matter, but not one which links with the Tarot (unless you believe that the Templars are the ones who either invented, used or brought it to Europe... all of these I seriously doubt). This discussion is quite wonderful and fascinating, and shows how inquiring into the symbols found on a card of a deck can lead to some quite important studies... I should also mention that my posts in this thread have been written from memory, and that I will check and rectify whether it was McKenzie who went to Paris... This is the only statement I made which I'm not totally confident about. What I am confident about, is that if it wasn't him, it was certainly one of the other instigators behind the GD.

jmd	06 Dec 2001
Talisman: was replying and posting my previous post whilst you posted... please don't go off grumbling... like Amoun rA, I too thought you were participating!!! If you look at what's said, it seems that we all share common interests and many points of view... and I think you took my question at the end of my earlier post to be against something you said, which it wasn't... Please stay with us!

AmounrA	06 Dec 2001
I agree we all three are basically playing the same game, just from slightly different angles. I will happily admit I come at the taro more through Crowleys interpretations ( Tzaddi as emporer, fool as 0....etc). I have a great respect for Crowley and do believe 'the book of the law' is genuine, thus I have respect for Thelma. I know a lot of people do not believe this, but that does not detract in my view the validity of there study and work, as talisman says....its all word games, and the universe isn't a word (is it?). Really thats what the taro are all about..interacting with [the] universe. Its just the systems we are using are varied...{the} universe we are playing with is the same :-)

jmd	07 Dec 2001
I double checked my earlier post: it was MacKenzie (Amoun rA's spelling was correct, not mine) who visited Levi in Paris... in 1861.

AmounrA	07 Dec 2001
jmd, I too was working from memory, and also checked......He did indeed visit Levi in paris, they met twice and discussed tarot cards and Kabbala, in particular the new trumps Chariot and Baphamet.( At least I can take solice in my spelling which is normally terrible!) From what I gather MacKenzie was not a freemason until 1870. :-)

Lizard	29 Dec 2001
dear Pollu. I believe the significance is to remnnd us that whithin each sphere (sephiroth) is contained an entire copy of the Tree. Quite how to exploit this I am not sure. If anything, it emphasises the nature of ten,remnding us of the comleteness of the Tree (10 in 10) Liz

Pollux	17 Jan 2002
Oops... As the E-mail notification didn't work for a while, I wasn,t aware I had given vent to this flaring bolts of knowledge! ;D I'm really happy for this... 8) even if nobody answered to my question really! :'( In my question I was mentioning but skipping somehow all the hystorical references and things... What I wanted to know, in other words, was the meaning added to the card by the Sepiroths-placed Pentacles. I wasn't discussing the association - legitimate to me. I just wanted to know what Waite meant to say in the card on account of that addition. However, I do thank you all. This brimful pot of goldy informations won't go to waste, I'm sure! ;D

Windhorse	04 Feb 2005
Well this is actually my first posting on this forum. I know I probably should have introducedmyself elsewhere first, but I have been reading through threads to gather info and ideas from different perspectives as I write up my 'Book of Tarot" for personal use. Awesome forum, guys, and some awesome writings and musings. But back to the question at hand: what does Waite's use of the Tree of Life have to do with the meaning of the 10 of Pentacles/Disks/Stones/Coins? I use Crowley's deck too, but have been known to pull another deck out. He too put the ten coins in the format of the Tree of Life. According to Lon Milo Duquette's take on the Book of Thoth, this is because 10DISKS is the lowest card of the lowest suit, essentially the last card of the entire deck. It resides in Malkuth (the bottom-most sephirot) in the Kingdom of Assiah (the realm of the Element Earth). Not only is this Sephirot far removed from Kether in Assiah (Ace of Disks), but it is way way way removed from Kether in Atziluth (Ace of Wands, the Realm of Elemental Fire) and even Malkuth in Atziluth (10 WANDS). However, being that this is as low as things get, in the words of Yazz, "The only way is up!" If I'm interpreting this right, Assiah is essentially the Dimension/Existence that we are familiar with, the World of Matter, the lowest in the Hierarchy (I think Plotinus wrote a bit about this kind of stuff too...), so Malkuth in Assiah is essentially the (so-called) 'real world', the one we see when we open our eyes in the morning. Dense, low, very slow vibrationally, condensed Light, all that kind of thing. And so it must somehow find its way back to the top - a bit like when one reaches the end of the water slide, and you have to climb all the way back up to the top before you go for another ride! Crowley says it best: "When wealth accumulates beyond a certain point, it must either become completely inert and cease to be wealth, or call in the aid of intelligence to use it rightly." The intelligence in this instance is Thoth/Hermes/Mercury, and so all the coins (bar one) have a glyph representing this Being/Deity/God/Concept - type thing. This kind of then explains why the esoteric meaning of the card is about material/mundane success fulfilled, the pinnacle of success. A completion of things on that mundane/material world level - which perhaps is why there is a decrepid old person sitting in the corner of Waite's card, he's patting is dogs, sitting under his blanket watching his children and grandchildren and observing and reflecting all that he as achieved in life, including the home for his descendents and the great fortune that now sustains his family. Perhaps this card shows the end of the Fool's Journey?! He started off with nothing but a backpack and a puppy, and now look what he has.... I always feel that the discrepancies between Waite's and Crowley's meanings is a clue to finding the TRUE meaning of the cards. A bit like trying to find where Daath IS by seeing where the other Sephirot are NOT! Which is also a fundamental basis Structuralist theory is it not? What is a text saying by examining what it is not.... Hope this has helped or confused or instigated further discussion. p

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