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my meeting with the knight of swords

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 19 Sep 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.



kabuki  19 Sep 2002 
Recently I decided to start meditating with the tarot cards and for one of my first meditations I chose the 'knight of swords'. He keeps appearing in my readings and, to be honest, I find the court cards difficult to read and understand ... I thought that meeting him might shed some light on the matter.

The first few times I tried to meet him he kept charging off, leaving me in lovely scenic countryside feeling ... confused ? After a few tries, with the same result, I resorted to running after him, shouting in an assertive manner (for me), 'Come back, NOW'. And, amazingly, he did. He slowly turned his horse around and in rather a drammatic manner placed a brown coat at my feet saying that it was for, 'your protection.' As he was getting back on his horse I asked, 'What do I need protecting from ?', he replied, 'from me.' Then, suprise, suprise he started charging off again. I hadn't expended this much time and energy to just let him wander off, so again I ran after him shouting, 'Why am I frightened of you ?' ... His reply? ... 'Because you are frightened of yourself.'

Hmmm ... So is there an aspect of the 'knight of Swords' that I am frightened of expressing, meeting ? If so what is it ? I am intending going back to meet him in the future and I would love to be able to say, 'See, I'm not frightened of you' ... But, to do that I have to work out what it is that 'frightens me'.

What do you think ? 


juice  19 Sep 2002 
First and formost, he is in the habit of charging off in a whim. This disturbs the nice balanced status quo. Others may elaborate in a good manner, but that is the gist of this quality.

Second. he has a deserved reputation for starting fights, usually as a result of number 1.

Plus the knight of swords is very self assured, to a fault. He isn't in the habit of saying "you know, you're right". He doesn't notice much dependence on others. This keeps his self worth from being crushed but he might not cooperate when its needed. He doesn't like submitting to other people's definition of order. 


Rhiannon  19 Sep 2002 
I think you've already said it yourself! You said you went chasing after him and yelling in an assertive manner FOR YOU. That right there is your fear. You don't like being too agressive, you have a problem with this type of communication. Swords = communication.

Does that sound at all familiar? Maybe this is something you need to explore further to see why it is that you are afraid of "coming on too strong" or being assertive to get what you want. Sometimes in life we have to stop sitting around waiting for other people to make things happen for us, and get up and make them happen ourselves. Does the thought scare you?

Good luck, and I hope I'm making some sense!

R :) 


Laurel  19 Sep 2002 
This is going on a limb.....

Swords can also mean mind or consciousness, in biblical terms "the knowledge of good and evil". Knights in general are very active/dynamic cards- that he was constantly charging off doesn't come as a surprise to me; that's his "natural state of being".

He told you fairly bluntly that he's not an external force, he's an internal one. He's a part of you and apparently a repressed or "shadow" part.

So in order to embrace him and "meet" him, you might have to become more like him. Next time he dashes off in meditation- summon your own horse! Ride at his side! Experience the ecstatic rush of speed. Throw caution to the wind. Just don't forget to wear your new brown coat. :)

Laurel 


Ravenswing  19 Sep 2002 
kabuki--

i think we all have difficulty with the courts. people are not always easy to read.

how bout trying this one out?

put on your brown coat and be the hermit. go to your mountain top and contemplate fear. hold out your lantern to signal the knight of swords. 


Keslynn  19 Sep 2002 
I agree with Rhiannon. I think that you're afraid of asserting yourself, especially when it might involve some you think is smarter than you. Just because they talk a lot, doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. If you know someone's wrong, don't be afraid to say it.

I too keep getting the Knight of Swords in readings, but I'm opposite you in that my tendency is to be mentally aggressive (I've got Mars in Gemini). It's a rare trait in women and one that tends to be feared. Nice girls don't tell their dates that they have this particular fact wrong. *lol*

Try asserting yourself a little more but perhaps not to the extreme the knight represents.

:) Kes 


kabuki  20 Sep 2002 
Yes, I think that you are probably quite right in that I do often have a problem asserting myself. I am wondering if this is because my natural tendency is towards harmony and cooperation. If so, one of my fears of the 'knight of swords' could be due to his tendency to be chaotic and disruptive - this scares me slightly. However, I'm becoming more aware, especially at work that sometimes cooperation doesn't work in some situations and communications - then what do I do ? At the minute not much, because I don't have a clue. This is maybe the part of me that I need to meet, my shadow (?) side.

I love the suggestions of summoning a horse and riding with him. I find it strangely symbolic that I hadn't thought of this before - all I managed was a staggering run with a small shout ... I also like the idea of going to see the hermit - as I'm naturally inclined to reflect quite a bit, going to see him/her and having a chat about it all will probably be productive.

So ... I'm going to take my coat to the hermit, then have a horse race with the 'knight of swords' ... I might even make the time to go and see the 'knight of cups' - I wonder if he's ever had my difficulties ?

Thanks loads, Kabuki 


Rhiannon  21 Sep 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by kabuki
This is maybe the part of me that I need to meet, my shadow (?) side.

Well, kabuki, a few of us are going to start work on our shadows using Christine Jette's book Tarot Shadow Work. You are welcome to join us if you decide this is something you need to do. We'll be starting this weekend, but you can always jump in when you're ready. Good luck!

R :) 


Alex  22 Sep 2002 
The assertiveness of this knight is immature and springs from insecurity. I myself have a little "Knight of Swords" in my back pack so people look at me and they think I'm saying "I make a very disgraceful victim, don't @uck up with me".

There is a destructive side in his attitude, too. True assertiveness springs from a rather different attitude. It springs from "I know that I have this set of rights just because I'm a human being, therefore these are my boundaries and I'll make sure they will be respected". It's about knowing how to defend yourself and your ideas but not necessarily having the aggressive and hurtful attitude of the Knight of Swords.

The "shadow" here might be of another kind: knowing how to use words to hurt and manipulate. It's typical of passive-agreesive individuals who look very peaceful on the outside but who can destroy you with a single comment and go away having to take no responsibility for it.

Blessings

Alex.

Quote:
Originally posted by kabuki
Hmmm ... So is there an aspect of the 'knight of Swords' that I am frightened of expressing, meeting ? What do you think ?
 


kabuki  23 Sep 2002 
Alex, I'm busy trying to digest what you have written. I think that you have probably identified what it is that 'frightens' me about the knight of swords behaviour and my own behaviour when I try to be assertive. From what I can work out - are you saying that te knight of swords assertiveness stems from a 'reaction' to percieved unfairness, attacks etc with an intention to cause hurt ? Whereas a more developed assertiveness is to realise others and your own rights and seek to protect both while not causing any harm to yourself or others ? I'm reminded of a phrase I keep reading in some books of creating 'win-win' situations for all concerned. I think that I have a tendency to ricochet between 'win-lose' (me lose) and 'lose-win' (me win). So perhaps in meeting the knight of swords I am investigating what part of me makes me behave like this ?

Am I correct in thinking that the queen and king of swords act in an assertive manner that is based on 'rights' and not 'insecurities'? 


Alex  23 Sep 2002 
I don't see the Knight of Swords as maturely assertive, but insecurely aggressive. "Attack is the best defense" sort of thing. I behave like that in times, mostly when I am in a bad mood and need something to vent. The other day, for example, I went off on my son's teacher, who by the way is an idiot, because she gives the classroom unrealistic assignements, incompatible with their level of psy. development. Of course, the ones who don't have their parents doing the homework FOR them get "D"s, my son included. So I got a kick out of telling her she has no knowledge of developmental psychology AND she does not know what she is doing. Yet, there were other ways to approach the problem that would had been better for my son.

I think the passive-aggressive aspect is that of blocked energy of this knight. Some people are apparently very nice and calm and can do no harm to a fly but they can reduce you to dust with a simple comment and a smile in their lips.

Mature assertiveness is knowing how to be fair, honest and protective of one's rights having a solution/compromise in mind. The goal is not "to win the cause" or to cause fuss and show people that they are idiots, but to arrive at a common solution.

It's more or less what you have said. There are some books on assertiveness out there that can be of help.

Alex.


Quote:
Originally posted by kabuki
From what I can work out - are you saying that te knight of swords assertiveness stems from a 'reaction' to percieved unfairness, attacks etc with an intention to cause hurt ? Whereas a more developed assertiveness is to realise others and your own rights and seek to protect both while not causing any harm to yourself or others ? I'm reminded of a phrase I keep reading in some books of creating 'win-win' situations for all concerned. I think that I have a tendency to ricochet between 'win-lose' (me lose) and 'lose-win' (me win). So perhaps in meeting the knight of swords I am investigating what part of me makes me behave like this ?

Am I correct in thinking that the queen and king of swords act in an assertive manner that is based on 'rights' and not 'insecurities'?
 


The my meeting with the knight of swords thread was originally posted on 19 Sep 2002 in the Using Tarot Cards board, and is now archived in the Forum Library. Read the active threads in Using Tarot Cards, or read more archived threads.

 


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