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Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 30 Sep 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.



Alex  30 Sep 2002 
I have a bit of a difficulty relating with this card. It is usually associated with "realization", "achievement", "internal harmony, integration and well-being". However, I sometimes see this card as representing some kind of "redemption", i.e., trully accepting something the way it has been imposed on us. I have seen such attitude in terminally ill patients who finally accept the fact that they are going to die. From a moment to another, they just start living in another plane: "that's the way it is, I'm tired, 'm ready to go, I'm fine with it".

In a way, and within certain contexts, I see "The World" as a card of sadness, however peaceful.

I would like to hear some comments from people in this forum. How do you personaly interpret this card?

Thanks

Alex. 


Thirteen  01 Oct 2002 
Sadness is certainly within the scope of The World (or Universe--which is the card title I perfer)--though one may argue if such realization (reaching another plane, etc.) is truely "sad"--for us, yes, for them, maybe not.

Remember, This card is represented by "Saturn" and it's from Saturn that we get words like "Saturnine" meaning, well, sad. There is an "old soul" about this card--ancient Saturn with his hourglass--and I often relate it to the very "Saturn" archtype of the old, wise teacher. Yoda if you will ;) Someone who is a true master, who has experienced it all, been there, done that. Very like, I guess, those terminal patients who know what the rest of us have yet to experience or learn. They've gone through all the stages and finally reached that point of ultimate understanding.

Perhaps the sense of "sadness," on our part, comes from the feeling that at such a stage, you no longer have the excitement and joy of discovery, the motivation of the unknown to keep you energized. That feeling you get, as with the Fool, that a project or journey has just begun--scary and exciting, a fresh new day with the sun coming up and the birds singing, and who knows whats around the next corner?

The World, by contrast, is a card of the old, the end, the fiat accomplit--it's all done, wrapped up, full circle. Cards of completeness, like this one, may seem sad simply because we Westerners worship the "never a dull moment" philosophy. We're into action films and juggling projects, talking on cell phones while we shop, having kids, hobbies, jobs all at once--we believe that if were not in the middle of the action, always doing, we're not happy, not "young" and alive. But what the Universe teaches us is that there is equal joy in rest, at the end of the journey when you can sit and recount all you've done and just experience the satisfaction of your accomplishments. And be the teacher and not the student. It can get tiring always being the student, afterall. This is the card of the teacher, the beloved mentor, whose wisdom changes young lives forever. Having been everywhere, they're at home everywhere. All elements are balanced in them--earth, air, water and fire. They are at one with, well, The Universe. And I don't think that's at all Saturnine. 


juice  01 Oct 2002 
Lives are filled with many cycles. Each time you may reach the World card it may be on a different subject. There is a saying that I don't think started with Klingons. :) Pitty the soldier who has no more enimies. Inspite of the ideal espoused in the previous post which is often true, sometimes there is a regret, sadness that accompanies accomplishment. I dying patient may have come to terms with the impending death and still hold in there breast a loss of things not done. 


Jenny-Li  01 Oct 2002 
Hi,

I actually got this card as one of my cards for today, so it's only good for me to exercise my thoughts on this one...!

I've always considered this to be a card of completeness and goal-reaching, but without the cheering, noisy, hollering air that everyday accomplishments may be connected to, but the kind of completeness of... coming HOME. Closing the circle by finally coming home, spiritually speaking rather than physically - even if the two may come together.

Whenever I get this card, I can almost physically feel myself grounding, my heartrate going down just barely noticeably, and my breathing goes deeper, calmer.

I have never thought about the sadness you describe, but I can totally relate to it now that I do. It's like when you finish a really good book and have to cry because it has become such a good friend and now you have to part...! The same thing goes for everything that you complete and move away from in life, and in the end I guess this may be the core of why we, well most of us, are so afraid of change/transformation...

Thanks for bringing up this thread, hope my messy thoughts didn't confuse you even more...!! ;)

Light and love,
Jenny :) 


divinerguy  01 Oct 2002 
If you subscribe to the Fool's Journey story, then it represents coming full circle.

Integration and redemption could fall within that definition, however, I think its more.

Its the end result of a journey of discovery. Fullfilment and enlightenment are the things that it represents to me. 


Diana  01 Oct 2002 
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Laurel  01 Oct 2002 
I often like to move up through the trumps, starting with the world, and ending with The Magician & The Fool. Its going from Malkuth to Kether along the Tree of Life.

I can understand that sense of sadness and finality though. I personally love Crowley's Cosmic Dancer and the sense of joy his particular World card has- perhaps its just part of my mindset that the past can't be undone, but it can serve as a teacher and guide as we journey forward, ever wiser.

Nothing dies without something else being born, not even worlds.

Laurel 


Strega  02 Oct 2002 
I've never seen the World as a "sad" card...

It could be because my deck portrays a figure dancing in triumph and joy... celebrating the success and achievement.

A joyful end... but one which has an exciting new beginning to move on to. :) 


Lee  05 Oct 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by Alex
However, I sometimes see this card as representing some kind of "redemption", i.e., trully accepting something the way it has been imposed on us
Mary Greer has a similar meaning listed for the World card. She calls it "dancing on your limitations," in other words, accepting the things you can't change in your life and going forward. I think she used the example of a musician who loses an arm in an accident, and eventually goes on to become a writer who writes music criticism. I've always found this an interesting and useful interpretation of this card. It seems to me that she developed this meaning, not only from the Saturn correlation, but also from the picture -- the woman is enclosed by the wreath, she doesn't have limitless possibilities, yet she dances.

-- Lee 


Lion-O  06 Oct 2002 
Quote:
Originally posted by Alex
However, I sometimes see this card as representing some kind of "redemption", i.e., trully accepting something the way it has been imposed on us.

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In a way, and within certain contexts, I see "The World" as a card of sadness, however peaceful.

I would like to hear some comments from people in this forum. How do you personaly interpret this card?

I guess this once again falls back to personal interpretation but I don't really agree on the sadness part. Whenever I come across this card it usually represents acts of completing / realizing something right up to finishing something or understanding what lies ahead (understanding / accepting).

Now.. this is very hard to comment on, esp. since I never did any readings for other people nor can I imagine the way it was when you did readings for those Ill people, however I am going to go ahead (don't pick it up the wrong way.). I wonder if this sadness is something which is related to the patients themselve or to their surroundings. I could imagine that sometimes 'the end' could indeed be a relief for these people. The end of their suffering and due to no alternative options could even be seen as a form or relief and/or freedom. A very sad one, don't get me wrong, but I can't help think that for a patient who has no other (or hardly) options he or she could even welcome it.

Isn't it possible that you, as the reading, picked these up as being very sad ? After all, these aren't exactly very joyfull situations and I'm very sure it would definatly influence the way I'd pick up the meaning of the cards. In some cases the end in these situations is more of a burden to the relatives and friends then for the patient him/her self. At least thats what I think...

In any case, these are saddening situations :-( 


Thirteen  06 Oct 2002 
Lion--I don't know if Alex has actually done reading for such patients so much as he identifies the World card with them. Which, in itself, might be the problem. Identificiations with cards are wonderful for clarification--but they can also keep us locked into a meaning. I had trouble with the Hierophant for the longest time because of it's original, "pope" title. 


Alex  06 Oct 2002 
Only once I read for a person in such situation, and THE WORLD was in the outcome of a celtic cross. The person in question was very much accepting of the upcoming Death. It was the first time I came accross THE WORLD in that way.

I've gotten this card often in the last 2-3 months, as the outcome of 3-card weekly readings. Cutting it short, I'm about to defend my thesis and my "mission" in this place I've been for the last 6 years is about to end. I have not been very content with it because of other aspects of my life but hell_ I've felt more "accepting" of the fact that this journey is ending, as I understand that the forces I'm "against" are much stronger than my personal issues and desires. My "life" as I know it has a date with Death: the day of my graduation.

Naturally the analogy with physical Death goes only so far, and these two are my primary motivations for having made the association I have made. And I wanted to hear you guys oppinions, of course.

Thanks you all, I'm learning lots about THE WORLD.

Alex.

Quote:
Originally posted by Thirteen
Lion--I don't know if Alex has actually done reading for such patients so much as he identifies the World card with them. Which, in itself, might be the problem. Identificiations with cards are wonderful for clarification--but they can also keep us locked into a meaning. I had trouble with the Hierophant for the longest time because of it's original, "pope" title.
 


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