The Chariot
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 18 Dec 2002, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Major Tom |
18 Dec 2002 |
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Ok! Ok! So I've got this card for the Second Aeclectic Tarot Project. :) I did a search and other than Thirteen's post - we haven't had a full discussion of this card. I'd like to hear what the Chariot means to you. :)
What do I know about the Chariot? I've seen it represent anything from a car to the motivation to set something in motion.
A quote from The Book of Tokens by Paul Foster Case:
I stand not aloof, unmoved,
Watching my handiwork,
As a potter watcheth the clay upon his wheel.
Nay, not so,
For I am the clay,
And the wheel,
And the potter too.
I am the work, and the worker,
And the means of working.
So this says something to me about control. })
Not control of anything external mind you, only control of myself - what I do.
Ever see a Chariot running out of control? *shudder* Frightening.
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| oldsoul |
18 Dec 2002 |
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i read somewhere that the man in the chariot thinks he's in control but the 'starry material' above his head suggests that he's not as in control as he thinks he is but that a higher power is.
does that make sense?
i'd be interested to hear what people have to say about this card because apparently it is my soul and personality card.
oldsoul
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| allibee |
18 Dec 2002 |
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We have, actually had a rather long thread about the Chariot recently, LOL.
I can't remember where, but it was about someone not being able to relate to the card. That's it...Cancer and the Chariot.
Naturally me being me, and a Cancer Chariot to boot, had quite a lot to say about it. It was only about a week ago, but that's about 100 posts to me, hehehe
allibee
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| pozt |
19 Dec 2002 |
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I heard that the Chariot can mean being pulled by two sides - having two choices but not knowing where to go or how to proceed.
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| zorya |
19 Dec 2002 |
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foremost i see the chariot as representing movement. yes, many times it symbolizes a car!
it takes real control to have power over the horses. in some decks the horses appear as though they go off in two directions much as the charioteer must reign is his own emotions and keep them in line.
i also see the chariot as carrying the 'victor', the hero. he has won his battle. he is back from war, so although he is arriving home as the winner, he has suffered major losses, he has killed on the battlefield, he has seen his men die. he is not an innocent.
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| allibee |
19 Dec 2002 |
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okey medokey :) from my journal:-
CHARIOT
Determination
Strong wiil
Great force of character
Charging headlong
Working alone
Strong leadership
Don't wait for the world to fall at your feet, go get it
Taking the initiative
Forward motion
Concentration
Finish what you star
Triumph over the conflict of opposites
Keeping things under control
Balance of forces
Steering a middle course
Conflict and self challenge, yet can grow from conflict and challenge and emerge stronger
Change promotes growth. No change = stagnation so NEED MOTIVATION
Hard work and effort
ENDURANCE
Accomplishing goals and overcoming obstacles
Leave emotions out of equation
Listen to inner wisdom
Control, do not allow emotions to rule decisions
BUT
Don't forget to have fun
May be unsuccessful due to lack of effort
Beware of being overbearing or using too much force
Don't rush into commitments you can't withdraw from
Weakwill
Self doubt
Lack of determination
If you had to sum this card up as a person, I would see him as a Mountaineer climbing Everest.... Motivated, Determined, Great strength of character, leaving his emotions at base camp.
Apart from the discoveries I made on the thread you quote above, I have used all these meanings in different readings for the Chariot :)
allibee
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| Diana |
19 Dec 2002 |
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Gosh, after all these links and comments, there's really not much to add!
Except perhaps: beware not to cut yourself off from your instincts. Do not just work with the mental.
And what's the point of having a Chariot if you don't have a destination? Of course, you can just aimlessly wander around, but is that the point of this card? Probably not, so I would add: Do you know where you would like to go?
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| allibee |
19 Dec 2002 |
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Originally posted by Diana
And what's the point of having a Chariot if you don't have a destination? Of course, you can just aimlessly wander around, but is that the point of this card? Probably not, so I would add: Do you know where you would like to go?
ahhhh....yes, I like that one very much. Well done Diana :)
*allibee goes off to hunt down her pen and journal*
allibee
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| Ophiel |
19 Dec 2002 |
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In an initiatory sense (if you even get into that idea), what would be the first stop with the Chariot? A destination, like THE STAR(s), or THE SUN, or THE MOON? Or perhaps [back to] THE WORLD with the idea of swinging around and catching these other cards. Perhaps each card is a room, to be visited chauffeur-style via THE CHARIOT? I have a friend who went through some sort of initation with the cards in the Netherlands, with a group of artists. I never did quite understand the nature of this initiation, and he refused to tell me.
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| patter |
19 Dec 2002 |
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I have always read the chariot as a card of 'triumph' -- i.e. a processional. Generally indicating the successful completion of a goal.
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| allibee |
19 Dec 2002 |
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Originally posted by Ophiel
In an initiatory sense (if you even get into that idea), what would be the first stop with the Chariot? A destination, like THE STAR(s), or THE SUN, or THE MOON?
Well it may more than likely be the Moon, being the ruler of Cancer - the Chariot. Numerology 7 links this Major 7 with embarking on a spiritual quest and in good old RW imagery there are many stars on the top covering the vehicle.
Therefore, if you combine the earthly mission of the Chariot with the more spiritual manner of his quest you could come up with an descriptive phrase such as: Reach for the stars??
I hope I haven't missed your point :)
allibee
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| Ophiel |
19 Dec 2002 |
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Um...actually, Allibee, I think you have [missed my point] a bit...but I certainly don't mind, working off ideas and all. Perhaps the difference is our orientation to the cards. I'm not a reader and know little about that aspect of the cards BUT have been studying the cards for many years, mostly the Majors, for their Kabalistic value. The cards are funny in that they can have two very different applications. I"m thinking of initation in a more esoteric sense.
Take, for instance, Notre Dame of Paris. Inside the building is a series of bas relief art that depicts the various lessons of alchemy, and if one knows what to look for, there are more indications of that in the cathedral. You can read about this in a book called "Mystery of the Cathedrals" by Fulcanelli. There is speculation that the church was used as a place of initiations into higher knowledge, using these images.
Some believe that the basic truths behind the Tarot (majors) are an initiatory path themselves. It's all part of the mystery that surrounds the deck, the parts that are not included in Dummett books. lol.
Also, there are seven great gothic cathedrals in Europe that some think of as symbols for the seven great Teachers, the seven ancient planets (Sun - Saturn.) The story goes that these seven churches were each the setting of a particular initiation into, again, esoteric knowledge.
Here is the list as presented in a book called "Rosslyn: Guardians of the Secrets of the Holy Grail" by Tim Wallace-Murphy, Marilyn Hopkins.
. Cathedral of St. James at Compostela, Spain (Moon oracle)
2. Notre Dame de Dalbade, Toulouse, France (Mercury oracle)
3. Orleans Cathedral (Venus oracle)
4. Chartres Cathedral (Sun Oracle)
5. Notre Dame de Paris (Mars Oracle)
6. Amiens Cathedral (Jupiter Oracle)
7. Rosslyn Chapel (Saturn oracle)
Perhaps I should be posting my responses in the historical folder because I suspect most of you are talking about THE CHARIOT for its divinational value. And if so, I do apologize, and I didn't mean to party-crash.
However, the numeralogical references are always good and Sacred Geometry and the numbers fit right into the 'stuff' I'm talking about.
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| allibee |
19 Dec 2002 |
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Thanks for pointing that out Ophiel, as I am a COMPLETE dimbo when it comes to the Quabbalah*sp*, having never studied it.
I learned some numerology last week, astrology this week, Quabbalah*sp* today [....tomorrow, the world, mwahahaha]
If there wasn't these cross relating threads, then some of us who just stay in certain forum boards would never get a different perspective, would we. So personally I'm pleased I got it wrong, and that you took the time out to explain a little to help me gain more knowledge. Thank you.
Major Tom:
were you thinking of doing this in your photocollage style, like the one on your site?
The reason I ask is because in reference to the Chariot, it came to mind an image of an engine..... you know the ITV F1 lead in and lead outs before the adverts when the race is on - well it occured to me that the chariot isn't so much the vehicle, but the engine that drives it!
Just a flash in the pan, as they say :)
allibee
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| Diana |
19 Dec 2002 |
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Right, for Major Tom I have taken out some of my notes on the Chariot. :) I'll leave out all the stuff that is specific to the Marseilles Tarot.
A Chariot is a vehicle. What is the vehicle we use for our soul? Our body. So the Chariot can be related to our body. A body is born, and dies. You cannot escape that, as much as you try. So when you reach this card, in the initiatory sense, you have to accept that man is born and dies.
Yes, it is an initiatory degree. The Majors are divided into three. 3x7. So the Chariot completes the first level. The Bible says that the world was created in 6 days. On the 7th, it was a day of rest, or rather of triumph - to see what one has created. But of course, we're not talking about God here, we're talking about Man. Man has now constructed his Ego.
What is he going to do with this Ego? Ego can lead you anywhere. To the greatest heights, or to absolute folly. There's a lot of power here.
But then of course, a Chariot without horses is useless. The horses can represent passions. You must tame them, or else they'll run wild and you will no longer be in control. These are your instincts. You need to recognise them, not cut yourself off from them, or else they will go off in one direction and you'll go off in another and then where will that lead you? I'll tell you, you'll start getting panic attacks, losing control of yourself, and you could even end up having a nervous breakdown.
A very tricky card. Don't start getting too puffed up and proud. Pride comes before a fall.
Be the master of those horses, please.
The Gods loved being pulled by animals: Apollo by horses, Junon by horses, Zeus by eagles, Athena by unicorns, Dionysos by goats, Hermes by storks, Aphrodite by swans, Hephaistos by dogs, Artemis by stags, Ares by wolves, Cybele by lions, Ceres by dragons......
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| Alex |
21 Dec 2002 |
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that's almost nothing to add to the Chariot.
I see it as "being carried away" by life as well. There're certain decisions we make after which and for a long time we feel we're being lived by life rather than the other way around. Marrying is one; having children; entering graduate school ;-)
I mean to say, we make the decision and then we have to make it work no matter what; and that's the "driving the car" thing. Don't let ourselves spread all around, in all directions, maintain foccus, and at this point there's no "choice" to be made anymore, just go along with the car until it starts slowing down... And that can take years and years.
I think it''s important in a reading to see if the situation being presented is that of having to maintain the horses together, or whether it's just time to jump off the car once it's the end of the race, so as to speak. A marriage in which people just struggle to stand each other's face in the morning could be a situation like that: the Chariot here would signify the need to stop the horses and take another car, another direction.
Hope that has added something
alex.
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| Shadow Wolf |
21 Dec 2002 |
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In the Witch's Tarot the Chariot also represents the recognition of Karmic issues and dealing with them.
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| Diana |
21 Dec 2002 |
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Originally posted by Alex
(....), we make the decision and then we have to make it work no matter what; and that's the "driving the car" thing.
Good point Alex, especially as we've just come out of the Lovers stage, which is where we have learned to make decisions and stand on our own two feet.
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| Osher |
21 Dec 2002 |
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Er, and not just to be different.
The Chariot to my mind is about controlling direction, but controlling direction also means deciding on a direction i.e. choosing a destination, or a least a path
Therefore, it is one of my 'choice' cards, like The Fool for example. The difference is therefore the approach to the choice. The Fool can wander, go off, and not care. The Chariot, or should it be the charioteer (?), can go places, but needs control too, i.e. to control the 4 horses.
Therefore it could represent a man who is at a juncture of his career, and whilst he has a choice, he will need to be in control to go, but when he goes, he goes.
Of course, a more mundane reading is that he is about to go on a land journey. Just a case of horses for courses (excuse the pun)
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| Alex |
21 Dec 2002 |
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"choice" card is "The Lovers". What comes before it is a preparation for, what comes after it is a consequence of, that choice.
Of course the Charioteer can choose NOT to drive the car but it's a bit too late; messing up at this step, choosing another direction or wishing to be in another car will bring ill for all involved.
Alex.
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| Trish |
22 Dec 2002 |
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The Chariot, to me, symbolizes perserverence -- like Apollo driving his sun-chariot across the sky, and Judah Ben Hur in the chariot race. :D
Pretty simple explanation, but that sums it up. ;)
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| Alex |
22 Dec 2002 |
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I must admit that.
Originally posted by Trish
The Chariot, to me, symbolizes perserverence -- like Apollo driving his sun-chariot across the sky, and Judah Ben Hur in the chariot race. :D
Pretty simple explanation, but that sums it up. ;)
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| sagitarian |
28 Dec 2002 |
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Mostly I've read the H-R deck, and I threw the book away after glancing at it a few times and went off of instincts alone for over 10 yrs. This is my interpratation of the chariot.
In the H-R deck, there is a man riding a chariot with two horses, his back is turned to you and he's riding away from the night, in the middle of an archway and through the archway is a scene of a beautiful sun, fields to play in, and peace.
From the symbolism in this card (and my instincts) they told me that you (the person I"m doing the reading for) are now going through a change in that you are moving through darkness. In the past few months something has made you melancholy and kept you in darkness emotionally and spiritually. Recently a change in events have occured and that you are now getting over that of which has been keeping you in the dark. Happiness is ahead of you, a time to be jolly and celebrate your triumphs. It's also a time for new beginnings. Let go of what has happend but remember to take the lessons you learned with you into this new beginning/world. Your horses are your guides and will lead the way. In other words, there is a few people that are helping you make this transition. You trust them and they've carried your burden along with you, fought along side of you, and have been your companions for sometime now. Their friendship/relationship runs deep inside of them as does their loyalty to you. Now is a time for them to also share with you the good times ahead, so don't forget them, or leave them out of this new beginning.
hope this helped!
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| Trogon |
29 Dec 2002 |
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Wow... this has been a great thread. Thanks for starting Major Tom. The links have been good reading too. Anyway... thought I'd toss in my few cents worth...
One thing I hadn't seen mentioned was that, in the RWS Tarot, the person driving the Chariot is not standing, or sitting, in the chariot... he is actually a part of the chariot! He is melded with the vehicle. Mermaid1622 had posted a link to a scan of this card at http://www.learntarot.com/bigjpgs/maj07.jpg (this was in the thread http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2595& ) where this can be plainly seen. This indicates to me that the person in question is solidly linked to the situation which he or she is trying to control... if the control is maintained and the victory is won - it is the charioteer who has maintained the control and has won. If the charioteer fails in this control... the chariot will take him with it when it crashes - it will be his loss.
My other favorite deck, the Röhrig Tarot, depicts The Chariot as a Formula-1 Racer crossing the finish line. The checkered flag is clearly reflected in the driver's helmet. You can see this card, courtesy of Tarot Garden at: http://www.tarotgarden.com/database/images/r-decks/rohrigcards.gif (The Chariot is in the upper left corner). In this card I see the same thing, the driver is jammed into the cockpit of the car - he can't "bail out" - whatever happens to the car, happens to him. If he maintains control and drives to the best of his ability - he can win. If he has even a momentary lapse, he'll lose positions - be passed - if he's lucky. If he's not so lucky.... well we probably all know what can happen.
Of course, this is only one aspect of this fascinating card. Many others have already discussed many other aspects. Very good discussion...
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| Moongold |
29 Dec 2002 |
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The Chariot is my personality and soul card so is fairly important to me. I used to see it as will and determination but am coming to see much more in it now.
Here are some notes from my journal:
The strength of the Chariot! It has occurred to me that the will can be just as strong in surrender as in action. Becoming willing for something to change, even though one might have no idea about what will happen, is an act of faith in itself. The Chariot is there for such moments too and can carry one across those chasms which require faith. It is perhaps about surrender in a spiritual sense and then being receptive to the answers which always follow such letting go. So the emphasis in this reading may be more on the receptive will than on the traditional kind of action.
To carry the concept of surrender a little further, the Chariot can also be about connectedness with other people as well as with the Divine. It can mean being part of the group consciousness in a metaphysical way but also in a practical, down to earth way - like being a member of a community such as Aeclectic or any other community that is important to us. We need never be alone. The Chariot is a team member but retains her individuality as well.
The Chariot means taking action but also being willing to take action.
I look forward to seeing your work Major Tom. It's a great card.
Moongold
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| Major Tom |
30 Dec 2002 |
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I really want to thank everyone who's responded - I have indeed been given much food for thought! :D
Allibee - I've decided to try a different technique for this card - something a bit more drawing oriented or at least graphic rather than photographic.
What's really pleasing is that this thread has so many contributors - each with their own thoughts. It has become a valuable resource for the community. :)
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| Alex |
30 Dec 2002 |
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It does not convey the meaning of union of opposites as the regular Chariot(s).
Interesting Strength card as well. The woman is in the mood but the lion isn't THE LEAST interested.
Alex.
Originally posted by Trogon
My other favorite deck, the Röhrig Tarot, depicts The Chariot as a Formula-1 Racer crossing the finish line. The checkered flag is clearly reflected in the driver's helmet. You can see this card, courtesy of Tarot Garden at: http://www.tarotgarden.com/database/images/r-decks/rohrigcards.gif (The Chariot is in the upper left corner).
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| Moongold |
02 Jan 2003 |
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I've been doing some more study on the Chariot as it is so important to me (Personality & Soul Card). Swing low, sweet chariot...... I always loved that song. I think I remember listening to Paul Robson sing it as a kid and we always learned it in singing lessons.
I did a Pathway Spread for myself on 31 December and the Chariot appeared in the no.1 spot. This position presents those choices we will be asked to make along our life path. So it's interesting for me that the Cards threw the Chariot in this position.
The magical Tree of Life!!! I have no choice now than to find out more about this mysterious symbol. Astrology and Tarot are all connected with the Tree of Life. The Chariot is on the 18th Path of the Tree of Life. This Path connects Binah, the Mother with Geburah, Karma. This means that the Chariot combines understanding with strength: form with force. I think that is a beautiful description.
Now, in astrology the sign for the Chariot is Cancer the Crab. Again we have form and force: the soft flesh of the crab with its hard shell. Cancerians are vulnerable and easily hurt but they hide that often with a tough exterior. Cancerians embody the nurturing instinct.
So a different picture of the Chariot is emerging. Strength and will exists alongside something soft and beautiful. Parallel processes. As I look at my Chariot card from the Tarot of the Old Path, I see the Charioteer holding the reigns of four beautifully coloured horses ( I've only ever seen one before in this card) and in his hand he holds a slight branch with leaves. A peaceful symbol . Ben Hur eat your heart out! You are banished forever from my mythology..
Moving right along, the hidden factor card for those of us who are double 7's i.e. who have the Chariot as Personality and Soul card, is the honorable TOWER. This is our shadow side: the card that has much to teach us. So we are going to need all the strength and gentleness of the Chariot as we cleanse ourselves of psychic rubbish and hurt.
The Chariot gives us a vision of spiritual power as we progress along the journey. In our daily lives this is about a different kind of victory: that which comes when problems or issues are addressed with strength and understanding.
This is a little bit better than I thought, Major Tom!
Moongold
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| lupo138 |
02 Jan 2003 |
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the Chariot has the situation under control, but not by understanding, just by force. I am not too sure about that, but referring to qabalistic correspondences I would sometimnes felt that the Chariot should be placed on the Pillar of Equilibrium instead of the Pillar of Severity, as he is between the black and the white sphinx (in the R/W) and balancing their forces - but I am not too happy with the card anyway. So much control, so little fun. It always reminds me on a quotation of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, that was made in the fabolous movie about him. It is vaguely like "all the heroes in the opera all look as if they even ****ted marble" (I do apologize for the wording. Mozart was sometimes a little bit vulgar.)
The Chariot seems to be similar to me ;)
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| Moongold |
02 Jan 2003 |
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Originally posted by lupo138
the Chariot has the situation under control, but not by understanding, just by force. ......... So much control, so little fun.
That is a very interesting perspective, but I think I disagree with you, at least in the way I would interpret things. I used to see the Chariot in a similar way. Now I see the card can be viewed with balance. And I think the best type of "control" is through understanding and strength. By "control" I mean self-mastery, not the control of others. Sometimes the strength can be through surrender, too. Some battles just are not worth fighting and it is a wise and humble decision to stop fighting or to reframe the struggle.
It is an individual thing. And I think the meaning can be quite complex.
To be honest, I know very little about the Qabbala and the Tree of Life. I started reading about this only last week. The way everything is connected is fascinating, however and I can't wait to get back to this reading.
Best wishes,
Moongold
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| lupo138 |
02 Jan 2003 |
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hi Moongold,
(what a beautiful nick) although you say so I am not sure that we disagree:
I meant control over the inner world too, not just the outer world. But you can have discipline and control and everything but it would be very strenous if you only could maintain it through sheer willpower, always being seduced to "let go" or, in case of the chariot, "let the horses their head" and that is exactly the Charioteer´s situation to me. On the other hand there is that balance out of wisdom, without stress: Have a look at the Rider-Waite "Temperance" and I hope my idea will become clear by that.
Still an other approach: Some say the Chariot is going to battle. To me he has the same attitude like some people you meet in the morning in the subway that understand the whole life as some sort of war. They fight instead of asking for a present and, well, I admit it, they are quite successful with that method. But are they happy ? Look at the Chariot .... ;)
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| Moongold |
02 Jan 2003 |
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Hi Lupo,
Yes, you raise some interesting points, particularly if one looks at the positions of the Chariot (7) and Temperance (14) in the overall Major Arcana. Chariot ends the first line and it looks as though the second line is fundamentally about understanding the Self, doesn't it? So the postion of Temperance is interesting.
The Charioteer perhaps represents a certain stage in the development of wisdom and balance. He represents the more earthly concerns? The qualities one has to have to function sucessfully in the world. If you travel in a linear sense (and who does?), you would acquire enough spiritual knowledge and sophistication to be a little like Temperance? Maybe at times we need the attributes of both the Charioteer and Temperance
Your comments have encouraged me to think some more about this. And yes, the Charioteer doesn't look too happy. Few of the RW characters do I notice. Just the Art perhaps, or maybe it makes you think about the theme without distraction. I prefer other decks.
That aside the RW Chariot card is full of grave symbolism. The chariot is a throne drawn by sphinxes leaving a kingdom in the background. I'd be a bit tentative as well. Now I am getting distracted. Thanks for extending the boundaries again.
Moongold
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| Red Emma |
02 Jan 2003 |
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Until I saw the recent "Chariot" discussions, I'd always interpreted it to mean an independent soul who was leaving the conventionality of her village behind and setting out on a journey to find her own way, or own kind, or something of the sort.
You guys sure do expand my thinking and understanding. Hanging around with you has been a real education. Of course since I'm an independent soul myself, I filter all ideas through my own, ah.., bias.
Thanks-----
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| lupo138 |
03 Jan 2003 |
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rehi Moongold,
you explain my views far better and well-founded than I could :)
I never thought of the figures on the R/W looking "happy" or "sad" but I agree, that most of them seem to be rather unhappy. The symbolism is indeed vast - one of the reasons why I have been using the R/W for more than 10 years. Maybe I will change my preferences anyway.
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| Moongold |
03 Jan 2003 |
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lupo,
Please accept my respect. I know very little, having been using tarot for just a few months and am just beginning to understand.
I have to speak a lot to retain the image, if it doesn't sound too strange. I see words more than images. Some neurological deficit. Words help retain the concept as well.
Blessings,
Moongold
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| lupo138 |
03 Jan 2003 |
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sorry, I did not mean to boast around - one has to take into account that my "years of experience" are soaked in lazyness, I do not keep a reading diary, I never worked on my reading skills with a plan behind, the books I read just out of interest and forgot about 99% of their content...
So I think it could well be, that your few months outmatch my years.
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| jlbvt |
03 Jan 2003 |
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Originally posted by Moongold
I've been doing some more study on the Chariot as it is so important to me (Personality & Soul Card). Swing low, sweet chariot...... I always loved that song.
Moving right along, the hidden factor card for those of us who are double 7's i.e. who have the Chariot as Personality and Soul card, is the honorable TOWER. This is our shadow side: the card that has much to teach us. So we are going to need all the strength and gentleness of the Chariot as we cleanse ourselves of psychic rubbish and hurt.
Wow, I got chills reading that bit about the song, I have always loved it and now I will think of it every time I see the Chariot! I think that song really mirrors the feeling of the card, in some ways. hey- you should start a thread on it. Thank you for sharing that!
I like the description I read in my Thoth LWB (I think it was there) That the Chariot represents winning and conquering over opposing forces.
I feel very connected to both the Tower and the Chariot like you. They always jump out at me. I also love the moon... I am rambling... ;)
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| firemaiden |
10 Jan 2003 |
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When I was doing research on the symbolism or horses in the plays of Claudel, my Professor steered me to the Plato's allegory of the soul.
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OH I SEE this has already been discussed in detail and at great length on the other thread. SORRY
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| Alex |
24 Jan 2003 |
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"As if whipped by invisible spirits, the sun steeds of time run away with the light chariot of our destiny, and nothing remains to us but to hold onto the reins with calm courage, steering the wheels, now right, now left, from the stone here and the abyss there. Where it goes---who knows? One hardly
remembers from where one came."
Goethe.
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| firemaiden |
25 Jan 2003 |
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That's a fantastic quote Alex. Sigh, all the great quotes come from Goethe. Can you give us a hint where this one came from?
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| Red Emma |
25 Jan 2003 |
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Rebellion! Can't help it guys, it's in my genes.
But I like what the Motherpeace tome says about the chariot. "[it] represents groundedness and the ability to accomplish tasks on the physical plane. ... It also symbolizes a victory of self-discipline. ... [if you get the] Chariot [in a reading you may find] that you have greater control over the unconscious parts of your brain. ... Involves bringing unconscious contents to the surface of consciousness for the purposes of accomplishment. ... The kind of warrior Carlos Castenada describes as the one who confronts monsters and turns them into allies."
And Furthermore:
Well, somewhere in there, and I can't find it at the moment, it also describes the charioteer as an individualist who seeks her own way...probably by following the truth she finds in her subconscious.
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I'm sorry, I collect short poems and quotes from various authours and this one I forgott to write down the source.
Alex.
Originally posted by firemaiden
That's a fantastic quote Alex. Sigh, all the great quotes come from Goethe. Can you give us a hint where this one came from?
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