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accidental shuffles

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 20 Jan 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.



Bryher  20 Jan 2003 
I am fairly new to Tarot and have a lot to learn, and sometimes I'm not sure where the line is between rule following and intuition....

I was doing a reading for my mother and , whilst shuffling the cards, she dropped several of them on the floor and asked me whether we should start again or whether she should incorporate the cards back into the pack and treat it as part of the shuffling process.

I asked her what felt right to her and she said she'd like to go with the latter approach. (I was reading with reversed cards) In the end she only had one card that was reversed and it seemed very apt so I felt that we had made the right decision that time. What does anyone else think? 


WallyTuggs  20 Jan 2003 
I think you did the correct thing as regards to seeing how she felt on reshuffling. 


Centaur  20 Jan 2003 
I usually get the querent to shuffle the cards, and if any cards spring out, then I place them aside and incorporate them into the general reading. I always think that these things happen for a reason, and I would hate to think that the cards were trying to tell me something and I missed out on it. Always better to be safe than sorry!

Centaur 


Khatruman  20 Jan 2003 
I have come to believe that the message will come no matter what happens. For too long I have stifled myself in worrying about doing it right and I see that in querents when they are asked to pick a card. They hesitate, as if doing it wrong will make it invalid. I have come to understand that the strongest message comes when I quit worrying about whether I am picking the right one and just pick. If a card pops out, it pops out, I put it back, or if I feel like it, I use it. I think so much is intuition and that "accident" occurs so much in the whole process. What you are doing to get a reading is to give up your control and let whatever unconscious or higher forces there are take over. If you start "thinking" that what you did was wrong and you must do this now to get it right, you are taking back control. That's what makes the reading unclear. Whatever happens, do what you feel is natural, or tell the reader to do what she would naturally do.

Am I being unclear?

Peace! 


Bryher  20 Jan 2003 
no, that's really clear, and really helpful. I think that I can find it quite hard sometimes to have the faith in my own intuition or the confidence to listen to it rather than falling back on 'rules', but from what you seem to be saying maybe I should worry less! 


fairyhedgehog  20 Jan 2003 
Either: the choice of cards is truly random, in which case it doesn't matter how I choose them.

Or: the cards know what I'm going to do (even if I don't), so it doesn't matter how I choose them.

I believe the former with my head and the latter with my heart :) 


Osher  20 Jan 2003 
It depends on how you feel. Sometimes I have 'falls' and they are accidental. Sometimes, I feel that they mean something. It just depends on the inside as to how you proceed.

It is like shuffling: there are not pre-ordained number of times that one must shuffle. Or cutting, the cuts do not need to be equal.

One thing I do do (and I wonder if others do it too) is that when picking up a pack, if I see the bottom card by 'accident', I often find that it means something, even though I have yet to shuffle.

Of course, when I am really ontop, and full of pyschic energy I even start to predict the cards before I pull them. Now that freaks me out a bit! 


Dragonless  20 Jan 2003 
"(I was reading with reversed cards) "

Hello to all. I am new to this site and Tarot but I felt I had to ask about the 'snippet' above.
I use the Mythic deck and so I never do reversed cards (i.e. I always know which way is up) ... am I correct in doing this ?? or is this another option to use? 


rota  20 Jan 2003 
yep, it's another option.

just be consistent, and have a reason when you change approaches. 


Khatruman  20 Jan 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by Dragonless
I use the Mythic deck and so I never do reversed cards (i.e. I always know which way is up) ... am I correct in doing this ?? or is this another option to use?
Well, if your readings are coming out with meaningful answers, I would say you are doing it right. If you are curious about reversals, there are threads where people have asked about them, so you may want look them up.

For a short answer, reversals can add meaning, but be careful not to think of them as necessarily meaning the opposite of what the card is about. Sometimes they mean that it is the meaning to a lesser degree, or a wish rather than fulfillment of it... see what the other cards are saying too... also, a preponderance of reversed cards may signify something negative. And you can always do a yes or no three card reading...with the majority of upright or reversed telling you the simple yes or no answer, and the cards themselves telling you more about the isssue in explanation.

Peace! 


Alex  20 Jan 2003 
observe and respect what the person does with the cards that fall out etc.

Only time I read for my boyfriend he tried to catch specific cards below other cards and got totally irritated that some seemed to follow... that's when I noticed he was a bit "anal" about certain things. Right on! That has came up latter in other ways but during the reading was about the only info I had (I didn't see much in his cards really).

Too much asking about what to do with the cards sometimes reveals insecurity. No asking at all, it's either a reader or someone whith a bit of too much self-confidence. And so on. I mean, it's a good thing to observe... and listen...

Cuz when nothing else follows (meaning you don't see anything in the cards) you still have something to say that might be of help.

Oh well. Regards. Alex.

(the assumption here is that we want to help in what we can and that helping is the prime objective of the reading. Controling, meaning telling the person exactly what to do, ain't a very good way of helping). 


Celtic_Dragon  30 Jun 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by fairyhedgehog
Either: the choice of cards is truly random, in which case it doesn't matter how I choose them.

Or: the cards know what I'm going to do (even if I don't), so it doesn't matter how I choose them.

I believe the former with my head and the latter with my heart :)

Answers my question....
Quote:
Originally posted by Happiness
It depends on how you feel. Sometimes I have 'falls' and they are accidental. Sometimes, I feel that they mean something. It just depends on the inside as to how you proceed.

That too. 


The accidental shuffles thread was originally posted on 20 Jan 2003 in the Using Tarot Cards board, and is now archived in the Forum Library. Read the active threads in Using Tarot Cards, or read more archived threads.

 
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