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do the cards speak of the truth or the reaction?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 27 Feb 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.



cuddles  27 Feb 2003 
i'm still trying to forumulate this question so forgive me if i'm unclear.

but let's say someone has the 3 of swords as a daily card. and then later that day sees something that feels like what the card represents. then later hears the explanation and sees how the reaction was out of proportion to the cause and that the betrayal does not actually exist.

my question is, i think, does the card represent a true betrayal or can it represent the feelings the person experienced? in a sense the card represents the experience? or is the betrayal real, and the truth is not yet uncovered? is the card speaking about the truth of the situation or the emotions experienced?

i don't mean it just for this example...i mean it in a more general sense as well and with other cards. but this is the clearest example i had of what i mean. i just hope it was clear enough :-)

all thoughts appreciated!

cudds 


Laurel  27 Feb 2003 
Yes and yes.

I know that's a terrible answer. One of the hardest parts about drawing daily cards is that there's less of a reference than a multi-card reading. Unless you ask a very specific question such as "what event should I be prepared for", or "what personal virtue should I try and improve today", then that daily card is likely going to be ascribed by you to the first situation that seems to 'fit.'

There's also such a thing as programming yourself for scenarios. That's the power of positive/negative feedback loops, supersticion, and daily draws. If you look for something especially something vague and general, you will find it.

~LAS 


Mojo  27 Feb 2003 
The answer depends on your relationship to the Tarot.

A Tarot Hobbyist will tend to fit the situation to the card. This is because they have a very casual relationship to the cards and don't necessarily have the confidence in their interpretations nor the presence of mind to see the meaning of the card as they experience it.

A Tarot Enthusiast may be able to foresee the effect of the card in their life, but will generally not recognize it as it presents itself, but rather understand it only in retrospect. This is because while they understand the meanings of the cards, they do not see the connection of the world to the Tarot.

A Tarot Practitioner will almost definitely see the application of the card to their life. They may or may not recognize it as it happens, but they will almost certainly understand the connection at a very personal level. This is because they have a true relationship with the Tarot and can see the connection between the cards and the real world.

A Tarot Expert will be able to plan their experience and their reactions to the cards. This is because they see the world through the Tarot and have an intimate relationship with the cards.

And finally....

A Tarot Fakir will get so lost in over-interpreting the various aspects of elementals, numerology, astrology, mythology, demonology, alchemy, witchcraft, prophecy, enochian and qabbalistic referentials, spiritualism, mysticism, shamanism, anamism, deism, druidism, gnosticism, karmic impulses, magic, majik, magick, freemasonry, tantric sexuality, astral projection, channeling, aromatherapy, biofeedback, homeopathy, macrobiotics, phrenology, reflexology, polarity therapy and feng shui that they're likely to get run over by a bus because they're simply not paying any attention at all to the real world. 


Aoife  27 Feb 2003 
Mojo,
I have a section in my journal entitled 'Words of Pure Wisdom'..... The above has been transcribed onto a page of its own, dated and attributed.
Thank you.... ROFLOL 


sunflowr  27 Feb 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by Mojo

A Tarot Fakir will get so lost in over-interpreting the various aspects of elementals, numerology, astrology, mythology, demonology, alchemy, witchcraft, prophecy, enochian and qabbalistic referentials, spiritualism, mysticism, shamanism, anamism, deism, druidism, gnosticism, karmic impulses, magic, majik, magick, freemasonry, tantric sexuality, astral projection, channeling, aromatherapy, biofeedback, homeopathy, macrobiotics, phrenology, reflexology, polarity therapy and feng shui that they're likely to get run over by a bus because they're simply not paying any attention at all to the real world.


That is IF they even get out of the house at all! LOL! :D 


Alex  27 Feb 2003 
I see two interrelated subjects here.

The first one is, do our emotions mirror our own reality or can they be trully detached from it?
Only in the last case your question is pertinent. I tend to think that my *perception* that my world is crumbling down is enough of a Tower....

The second subject is:
Are the cards independent descriptions of events or do they, once drawn, influence the course of such events, or at least, the way we perceive those events?
.
... however, if I consistently draw "The Sun" card when I feel my world is is crumbling down, then I may start paying attention to other aspects of the situation, or to the aspects of my life that aren't crumbling down...

Relating with the tarot is like relating with a man. It's better not to think too much about it. If "he" works for you, just accept it as a fact, and enjoy it. If "he" does not work for you, find another.

Alex.

P.S. Edited to complement.
Take a look at this
http://www.free-tarot-reading.net/articles/janprediction.php 


miranda  27 Feb 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by Mojo
The answer depends on your relationship to the Tarot.

A Tarot Hobbyist will tend to fit the situation to the card. This is because they have a very casual relationship to the cards and don't necessarily have the confidence in their interpretations nor the presence of mind to see the meaning of the card as they experience it.

A Tarot Enthusiast may be able to foresee the effect of the card in their life, but will generally not recognize it as it presents itself, but rather understand it only in retrospect. This is because while they understand the meanings of the cards, they do not see the connection of the world to the Tarot.

A Tarot Practitioner will almost definitely see the application of the card to their life. They may or may not recognize it as it happens, but they will almost certainly understand the connection at a very personal level. This is because they have a true relationship with the Tarot and can see the connection between the cards and the real world.

A Tarot Expert will be able to plan their experience and their reactions to the cards. This is because they see the world through the Tarot and have an intimate relationship with the cards.

And finally....

A Tarot Fakir will get so lost in over-interpreting the various aspects of elementals, numerology, astrology, mythology, demonology, alchemy, witchcraft, prophecy, enochian and qabbalistic referentials, spiritualism, mysticism, shamanism, anamism, deism, druidism, gnosticism, karmic impulses, magic, majik, magick, freemasonry, tantric sexuality, astral projection, channeling, aromatherapy, biofeedback, homeopathy, macrobiotics, phrenology, reflexology, polarity therapy and feng shui that they're likely to get run over by a bus because they're simply not paying any attention at all to the real world.




hehe mojo .. youll need one more catagory for people who fit in a little bit of all of those... 


cuddles  01 Mar 2003 
thanks everyone :-) i think this answers my question as well as anything can.

mojo, i loved what you wrote even if it will take me a while to digest it. do you have examples? like one reading and how each would do it? except for the last one, of course...i got that one and thank goodness i don't have to worry about that!

^_^

cudds 


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