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The Sun and The Star- similarities and differences

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 27 Mar 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.



jlbvt  27 Mar 2003 
I don't get either of these cards much in readings, but they seem to have similar meanings. here are some key words from the Tarot of a Moon Garden (smouldering) LWB:

:TSTAR The Star- hope, faith, inspiration, good omen, spiritual love, fulfillment, pleasure...

:TSUN The Sun- satisfaction, success, favorable relationships, love, joy, devotion, pleasure in daily existance, high spirits..

In your experience, how are they the same or different? :THERM :THANG Thanks! JLB 


coldsuns  27 Mar 2003 
The Star- Victory, Childhood, Dreams, Joy, Beauty
Offence, Selfish, Vain, Lies

The Sun- Glory, Leader, Happiness, Good Health, Wealth
Selfish, Arrogance 


Mojo  27 Mar 2003 
Ugh... I absolutely HATE keyword systems!

Look at the images and traditions of Sun vs. Star:

SUN: Provides warmth and light. You see things more clearly in the light of day. Chases away the chill of night. Freedom - there is so much more you can do in the light of day! On the other hand, too much sun can cause pain and discomfort; the sun casts shadows which distort and mirages which can confuse.

STAR: Constant and dependable - man has used stars for navigation since the early stages of mankind; can provide a beacon - i.e. the star of Bethlehem; stars are used for forecasting and prognostication (i.e. astrology), so they can be called upon for guidance; you can wish upon a star or you can be a shining star. On the downside, there are falling stars, exploding stars, and stars which can become a black hole, so we better not depend on them too much! 


jlbvt  27 Mar 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by Mojo
Ugh... I absolutely HATE keyword systems!

Look at the images and traditions of Sun vs. Star:

SUN: Provides warmth and light. You see things more clearly in the light of day. Chases away the chill of night. Freedom - there is so much more you can do in the light of day! On the other hand, too much sun can cause pain and discomfort; the sun casts shadows which distort and mirages which can confuse.

STAR: Constant and dependable - man has used stars for navigation since the early stages of mankind; can provide a beacon - i.e. the star of Bethlehem; stars are used for forecasting and prognostication (i.e. astrology), so they can be called upon for guidance; you can wish upon a star or you can be a shining star. On the downside, there are falling stars, exploding stars, and stars which can become a black hole, so we better not depend on them too much!
Thanks, Mojo. I honestly hardly ever take out the LWB and use the keywords, but in this case, I just wanted to show that the general perceptions of these two cards are so similar. I don't see much difference between them- bright- showing the way, giving hope and inspiration, happiness...

Maybe the star is more "divine" or heavenly with it's guidance, wher the sun is more mundane, earthly? It seems like a fine line. Maybe the sun can show inspiration coming from within? But then the star could too. I am so confused. 


jlbvt  27 Mar 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by coldsuns
The Star- Victory, Childhood, Dreams, Joy, Beauty
Offence, Selfish, Vain, Lies

The Sun- Glory, Leader, Happiness, Good Health, Wealth
Selfish, Arrogance
Coldsuns, thank you for your contribution. But do these cards have any deeper meaning for you that you can share? 


HudsonGray  27 Mar 2003 
With me I've found that the Sun is more the immediate environment or area/happenings around you. It's bright, it's present in the 'now'. Whereas the Star (yes that one did give me some problems at first) is more about future hope, the quiet thinking about situations, in the dark, with stars above to show that there are things beyond the present, to give a hope for what's to come.

To me the Star shows the future, not the present. It's a positive card yet not anywhere near to excitingly 'HEY!' as the Sun card is. There's no dancing in the streets with it, just a standing alone looking up, knowing life goes on.

Introspection versus the present. The Star rarely shows the 'now' even in the reverse meanings. To me it shows what's to come & the attitude around it. 


jlbvt  27 Mar 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by HudsonGray
With me I've found that the Sun is more the immediate environment or area/happenings around you. It's bright, it's present in the 'now'. Whereas the Star (yes that one did give me some problems at first) is more about future hope, the quiet thinking about situations, in the dark, with stars above to show that there are things beyond the present, to give a hope for what's to come.

To me the Star shows the future, not the present. It's a positive card yet not anywhere near to excitingly 'HEY!' as the Sun card is. There's no dancing in the streets with it, just a standing alone looking up, knowing life goes on.

Introspection versus the present. The Star rarely shows the 'now' even in the reverse meanings. To me it shows what's to come & the attitude around it.
Thanks, HudsonGray- I never thought about the star being a future thing. I guess when i see the Star, I see something great happening to me(querent) with the energy coming from a "cosmic" source, what we might see as luck. We don't really know what made the great thing happen. I think the Sun shows something great happening, but sort of like we(querent) made it happen, hard work has paid off, something we set in motion has turned into something great. This may also apply to relationships? What do you think? 


HudsonGray  27 Mar 2003 
I think you're right on those too. Relationships in the Sun vs the Star can be very different, it would show the focus of them from two perspectives: the here & now with all the passion & fun vs the long term with ups and downs but going the long haul forward into the future.

There are many levels in all the cards. But I think people tend to ignore the Star. Look how many discussions are on the Tower, Fool, Magician and Emperor. Ever see a lot of discussion on the World, Judgement, Hermit or Temperance? People focus more on the cards that they have issues with, those that cause strife or internal problems (like the Moon, or Hanged man), not on completion or introspection cards so much. The Star is one of those introspection types. 


Thirteen  27 Mar 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by HudsonGray
There are many levels in all the cards. But I think people tend to ignore the Star.


And the Sun too, for that matter. Right on, as always, Hudson.

JIBVT: Another way to view them is Astrologically--

Star is Aquarius, the water barer who pours out water of knowledge and hope. Aquarius is the tomorrow child, the one who has innovative ideas far ahead of their time--they seem odd now, but the day will some when everyone will see that they were right (like Da Vinci's flying machine, waaaay ahead of its time). Aquarius is the humanitarian, as well. Sees the big picture for all mankind, not a short-term, selfish thinker.

So, you look to the stars to see your future, to see a destination--people sail by the stars. It's where you'r heading to, and it's promising. You're not there yet, but you're on your way. And with the star in sight, you will continue on your way. The Star pours out the water of hope in the desert to quench your thirst so that you can continue the journey. Healing waters, when you feel weak or ill, so that you will keep going.

I'd very much expect to see The Star if I was reading for someone in a hospital who was told they might not walk again--the Star promises a ray of hope and healing--that very soon they'll be able to get out of the chair and stand--and that, in turn, promises that they WILL walk again, eventually. They've only to keep their eye on the star.

The Sun is...the Sun. Apollo. It indicates a new day, and so is the symbol of youth (like the child/children usually depicted in it). It's also music and art, as Apollo is the god of music and art. Mathematics and reason, also--the golden arrows of the sun indicate great mental focus. The Sun is WIDE AWAKE, not filled with visions like the star or hopes for tomorrow--it's awake NOW, and it's ideas are NOW. This is Mozart writing up a symphony, NOW.

When you get the Sun, it indicates that your brain is ON. Smart idea, alert creativity, energy, power, freshness, focus, they're all yours. The Sun is that day when everything goes right, when you're awake and everything is awake with you. Nothing is dark or in shadow; as Mojo noted, all is clear, bright and easily seen. 


Alex  28 Mar 2003 
The star is the guide. Lost sailors relied on the stars to find their way home. Brazilian indians use to say that "we don't die, we become a star", a star to illuminate the night. What is special about the star is that it comes at night and makes it less scary.

The sun can be the guide too. The position of the sun can indicate cardinal points, time of the day, and seazon. It warms up, gives life. It can also burn, dissecate, kill, destroy.

The star is "cold", the sun is warm. The sun is a star that is close to us. The star is a sun that is far far away from us. The sun is real. The star can be real, it may however have died billions of years ago.

The star that you see today is not the star that you see today. Looking at a star is the same as looking at billions of years in the past. The sun is what it is for what it is and there is not much more to it than meet the eyes.

Alex. 


Alex  28 Mar 2003 
That is true, but usually it takes gazzillions of years, for that to happen. I think starts can betray us more in the past than they can betray us in the future. What happens to them "now"_within one's lifetime_ matters very very little.

Quote:
Originally posted by Mojo
and stars which can become a black hole, so we better not depend on them too much!
 


WolfSpirit  29 Mar 2003 
The Sun to me is more enjoying the good life, or the prospect of fun in the future.
The Sun makes things grow and we can enjoy its warmth, but if we are not careful and stay in the sun too long we get burnt, so we should not get too carefree.

The Star is not so much of good things actually happening, but of having a feeling of optimism. To me the star is more spiritual than the sun - but IMO their meanings overlap a lot. 


HalfElfSorcerer  31 Mar 2003 
I haven't had much experience with the Sun, but I had the star come up a few times the other day, so...

I think of the Star as giving without expecting a reward. I also see equallity - not justice, but the ability to give without restrictions. The Star is the Aquarius card though, and since I'm an Aquarius, I would have to say that this is only the beginning of the Star. After the initial equality, the Star will look deeper to see if you need more than the water you already have. Just some thoughts. 


jlbvt  31 Mar 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by Alex
. The sun is a star that is close to us. The star is a sun that is far far away from us.
Alex.
How obvious, and yet, I never thought of that! Thank you! Now I see why they are so similar, and why the differences are so subtle. Thanks everyone for your replies. Thirteen- I am honoured you chose to post in my thread! JLB 


skytwig  02 Apr 2003 
I am new here, still wandering the rooms; so many of them!!!

However, I personally love the Star card. Maybe because i am a Reiki Healer and, yes, the card appears alot for me. It IS about healing waters.... For me, it is also about Gifts, big Gifts pouring from the 'Heavens', where all Healing Guides watch over the work we each individually do. I always see it as a Blessing card, an angelic intervention, if you will. "Yes," little one, "We are here!"

For me, it does speak of gifts and usually they are gifts that come clearly and 'undeservedly'. The Star Card reminds me that I don't deserve Love and Beauty - they are just given to me freely!!! That is what Spirit is all about.... I didn't deserve to be given life, I just have it!!! the Universe reminds me of that Miracle everytime the Star appears in a spread.

For me, I guess, you could say it is the Wuhoo! card. 


The The Sun and The Star- similarities and differences thread was originally posted on 27 Mar 2003 in the Using Tarot Cards board, and is now archived in the Forum Library. Read the threads in Using Tarot Cards, or read more archived threads.

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