Name the Card (The Universe as Nebula with Dragon)

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 12 Apr 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

firemaiden	12 Apr 2003
The website showing this nebula photographed by the Hubble Telescope has moved, so I put it here as an attachement. Tell me: WHAT DO YOU SEE?

Kiama	12 Apr 2003
I'm not quite sure if we're supposed to be guessing the card itself, what deck it's from, or just saying what we see in the nebula... If it's the latter, then I see a goblin, orc, or strange ogre-like creature from the side... If it's the latter, I have no idea. Kiama

firemaiden	12 Apr 2003
Aha. I know, it was a trick question. It is not from any deck. It is a photograph of a nebula from the hubble telescope. Unfortunately it is kind of small. I have written to the site to see if I can get reference to where they have hidden the big version on line. Before I tell you what card it illustrates to me, let me say, I was hoping people would say (as you just did) what they see in the nebula, because I see something amazing, but I don't want to form people's minds for them.... Okay, so you see a goblin... Where is the head, eyes, does it have a body? What do you see in the center? and do you know what a nebula is?

Emily	12 Apr 2003
I see a green island and trees, covered in swirling mist, it has mountains and a plateau - one side of the island is higher than the other, and a lake reaching down to the black sea, it must be night for the sea to be so dark - the red spots are part of an active volcano, but its not about to erupt, it is mist and cloud swirling round not smoke. In daylight it would be a paradise island lol :) I don't see a goblin. :) I think it would be The World if it was a card.

NeXoRiouS	12 Apr 2003
lol...catch no balls

lunalafey	12 Apr 2003
it is kinda small..:( i like ink blot kinda stuff when I first looked....someones face fell off thier head and the 'lights' inside. but I stared at it for a bit longer.... there is a lizard like creature on the left...looks like he's blowin' smoke... under him is a hand reaching palm up... it reaches towards the light in some crevass. the light surrounds what looks like an embryo..... and as for a card....the World, which in my trusty deck is called the Universe

Mimers	12 Apr 2003
I see Curious George's head with a red nose. He must have a cold.

firemaiden	12 Apr 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Emily I think it would be The World if it was a card. That is what I was thinking, especially the World Card as depicted by Crowley. A nebula is a cloud of gasses, incubating a cluster of stars. This is a picture of a giant starbirth, a nebula called NGC-64 I have found a bigger photo on the web: http://www.seds.org/messier/Pics/Jpg/m33n604.jpg Here is a website for NGC-604 with the same picture upside down. http://fusionanomaly.net/nebulangc604.html "Explanation: The nebula cataloged as NGC 604 is a giant star forming region, 1500 light years across, in the nearby spiral galaxy, M33. Seen here in a snapshot by the Hubble Space Telescope, over 200 newly formed, hot, massive, stars are scattered within a cavern-like, gaseous, interstellar cloud. The stars irradiate the gas with energetic ultraviolet light stripping electrons from atoms and exciting them - producing a characteristic nebular glow. The details of the nebula's structure hold clues to the mysteries of star formation and its effect on the evolution of galaxies. " from http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960816.html

Faerie Lin	12 Apr 2003
I saw a cooking class taking place!!! The teacher is in the back (on the left) looking over her shoulder... the person/alien is in front of a stove... there is a pot of water on our right, in the middle a pot with some type of big shellfish in it, and the left, some type of sauce. She is reaching over on the counter to pick up some red spices to "kick it up a notch". Maybe it can be said she is also learning how to "create" life.

firemaiden	12 Apr 2003
Quote: Originally posted by lunalafey there is a lizard like creature on the left...looks like he's blowin' smoke... under him is a hand reaching palm up... it reaches towards the light in some crevass. the light surrounds what looks like an embryo ..... and as for a card....the World, which in my trusty deck is called the Universe THAT IS WHAT I SAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To me, this is a picture of the Orphic Egg!! The lizard or snake, or dragon would be Ophion, hatching the orphic egg out of which all things in the universe flew! this is the myth depicted on Crowley's Universe card!!! P.S. the other things you guys saw -- the cooking class, the garden, also amazing! Yes, its like a Roschach blob. The amazing thing here, is this is an actual photograph of an actual world, (stars) actually being hatched and born.

Moongold	12 Apr 2003
I immediately thought of Ilbe in the Faeries Oracle. Ilbe is the Retriever. He finds our lost hopes and dreams as well as our lost car keys. Maybe even lost souls. I am glad that he is now in outer space as well. Moongold

jmd	13 Apr 2003
I should have responded earlier, but have had problems with time lately... The image reminded me of a swan-like creature pecking at its own breast, as if to feed its young-to-be-hatched within the reddish egg-like structures in its innards. As such, the Pelican/Swan/Phoenix aspect is what comes to mind. If I had to relate it to a specific card, certainly an element of the Universe (Crowley-Harris World card) inevitably comes to mind... ...but what an incredible image of winged metamorphosis and creation! Thankyou so much, fiery maiden...

Kiama	13 Apr 2003
Ah, NOW I see the embryo! Silly me with my overactive imagination... I actually see it as the Judgement card, which to me is about Rebirth... If I remember correctly many decks (Incl. Crowley's?) have an embryo in the Judgement card? Kiama

firemaiden	13 Apr 2003
Hmmm... but it is the Universe card which depicts the birth of the virgin universe.

Major Tom	13 Apr 2003
Gosh! :eek: I'm going out on a limb here. It looks like a skull to me. It looks like Death. Does this pehaps mean a change for me? :laugh: :joke: :laugh:

firemaiden	13 Apr 2003
The Doctor is out for tea. When he she or it returns, we will have detailed psychoanlysis of your responses... (j/k)

jlbvt	13 Apr 2003
Yeah- as soon as you said think about what a nebula is, I saw the baby (fetus) in the image. That's beautiful. It would make a great card. I think it should be the world, because it doesn't just show the baby, but the cosmic womb that created it too. I could be wrong though, as I am still a little shaky on the world card. (I never draw it in readings either)

Dragons_Wing	13 Apr 2003
i see a dragon holding a reddish orb in his claws... mmm dragon.... *Drool*

paradoxx	14 Apr 2003
I see three (but maybe four) disks (pentacles) being held up by teh hand that rider-waite (clone) decks utilize (or perhaps that of a dragon)

LadyMedusa	14 Apr 2003
I see a dragon mother watching one egg hatching out while cradling a second in her wing. LadyMedusa

ahpookus	14 Apr 2003
I hafta agree with Major Tom, I see a skull looking down to the left. What are you people on? ;) Just kidding, I enjoy all of the wonderful and creative things people are seeing. (I too can see Godzillia breathing out a radio active cloud.)

ahpookus	14 Apr 2003
I hafta agree with Captain Tom, I see a skull looking down to the left. What are you people on? ;) Just kidding, I enjoy all of the wonderful and creative things people are seeing. (I too can see Godzillia breathing out a radio active cloud.)

firemaiden	14 Apr 2003
Aha!~The skull that you see, is what I see as the head of the dragon.

Lucifer	18 Apr 2003
in that Photo I saw a huge Dragon a hug light ball... because am i korean? but i feel just that was Dragon...with big wing light ball known as in orient All dragon have a orb so i think like that.....

firemaiden	19 Apr 2003
ooooooooooooooh! That is interesting, Luifer. I see a huge dragon with a big wing too. Tell us more about the Korean tradition of the light ball. What does it mean?

Lucifer	19 Apr 2003
First thanks to your reply :) In korea's traditional legend All dragons lived at small pond with state of small snake called "IMUGI" and 1000years left changed to Dragon and then it make a Lighting Orb called "YOIJU" In Europe Dragons was evil creature.. I Heard and they seperate with color In korea too... but dragon was Divine creature in korea When i saw that picture I Saw a huge Black Dragon "EUNG RYONG" known as korea In Korea black dragon was Rainmaker and King of North Sea there are Four king of sea in Orient King of East Sea Blue Dragon Master of Gravitation King of West Sea Red Dragon Master of Fire King of South Sea White Dragon Master of Wind King of North Sea Black Dragon Master of Water by a legend all this Dragon Kings was Brother have a nice day....

Lucifer	19 Apr 2003
About Light ball.. we called "YOIJU" and that is known as Orb of make wish that orb make humans wish

firemaiden	19 Apr 2003
Thank you Lucifer! That is fascinating especially with regards to this picture and to the tarot. So in this picture you see the Black dragon and the rainmaker who is the King of the North Sea? Are the dragons also considered creators of the universe? Is the light orb also symbolised by a pearl?

Lucifer	19 Apr 2003
Quote: Originally posted by firemaiden Thank you Lucifer! That is fascinating especially with regards to this picture and to the tarot. So in this picture you see the Black dragon and the rainmaker who is the King of the North Sea? Are the dragons also considered creators of the universe? Is the light orb also symbolised by a pearl? Yes, yes I saw Black Dragon the rainmaker and that was Created by God... and Light orb was um... lighting seven colors in orient. black dragon was Controller same as the other dragons. In orient Dragons was all rainbringer. In Farming rain was very important material in past orient No water tank or Water tower only method of get water is rain so they perform religious service to Dragons for get the water. In tarot card I think like unders... To get things to Try and your will must be come true Be patience Now is the time to wait but it will be soon realize. Lighing orb i found in dictionary and it translated to cintamani realize one's cherished wishes meaning... I think same as sun card, Justice card, and world card Do one's best it will obtain Excellent result... how about that? i want to hear your thought... thanks.

Belladonna	19 Apr 2003
I see a cocker spaniel on his hind legs as if he were up against a sliding glass door and I was viewing him from inside. The glowing red ball would be where his belly is.

skytwig	19 Apr 2003
I have to go with Lady Medusa, Dragoness with baby eggs. It's a nest. But I just read all of Lucifer's posts and Wow!!! it's the Wheel and 9 of cups!!! The information you provided us with is Grand, Lucifer! The dragon 'eggs' are an emerald and a ruby!!!

gloria	21 Apr 2003
First I thought it to look like a leopard cub, but if it has to be associated with a card, I would say a lion cub. The Strength card? I know the lion in question has grown somewhat.

jakyle	24 Apr 2003
Definitely looks like a kid(in a fools jester....) blowing a bubblegum bubble that forms into...... A woman sitting on a (also could be a ying yang red/black symbol) chair with a golden retriever next to her......I see the dog next to the blonde lady wearing the red shirt........

DarkElectric	25 Apr 2003
I saw Dragons too! It looked to me like a dragon egg in the process of hatching, with the great black mother dragon protecting it. I actually felt creation energy emanating from the photo image. Amazing. Thanks, Firemaiden.

Dark Eyes	02 May 2003
Hi, I actually see a cat walking away from us with his tail in the air....? That was my very first impression without studying the photo at length. I can see the cats b*tt ! probably not the best description I guess. Oh well. hehehehehe Very interesting site firemaiden, hope my view didn't offend anybody. Dark Eyes. p.s. Perhaps I should have another look to see what my eye takes in.

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