reversed Moon and High Priestess Together consistant

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 15 Apr 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

theman_ca	15 Apr 2003
hello to everyone i need help with an interpritation. for recently these cards are appearing before often, they fall out of the deck or when i cut the deck and do it again these cards appear. I get the Moon revesed and the high priestess. so if u could tell me what this means to you please let me know. even after a vivd shuffle as long as im not concentrating on making them appear they appear. please help me with this

skytwig	15 Apr 2003
What are the questions you have been asking? Are you fighting a gut feeling about something? To me, the Moon and the Priestess are related - intuition, magick, feelings, the unconscious. Have you been asking questions in these areas? There is a powerful full moon tomorrow, is there something about tomorrow involved in your questions?

theman_ca	15 Apr 2003
my questions have really been more about myself. im currently a teen and well going through identity issues, i dont really know myself and where i fit, or what to do, i mean recently i have really opened myself up spritualy and i have fully embraced in the cards. I understand that there is a strong link in these cards. i know that the in the high priestes there is a glimpse of the world of the moon and then theres the moon reversed im still very confused

skytwig	15 Apr 2003
Well, there it is! Questioning who you are!! Good stuff, even though it feels uncomfortable for you at times. If I were to pull those cards for you, I would say that you are right on track. The reversed moon points to your confusion, but the Priestess points to your Truth. Keep following your path in this quest of Spirituality and you shall see more and more clearly that you are an intuitive, sensitive person. Maybe a healer. Is your sign a water sign?

theman_ca	15 Apr 2003
actually I am a air sign,an aquarius. I also recently learned that my personality card is the empress, my soul card is the empress and my shadow cards are the Hanged man and the World. would you say this is relevant at all?

skytwig	15 Apr 2003
I sent you a Private Message, theman_ca. Push the user cp button at the top of this page and it will take you there. You can send your answer in a Private Message, too.

Thirteen	15 Apr 2003
Quote: Originally posted by theman_ca actually I am a air sign,an aquarius. I also recently learned that my personality card is the empress, my soul card is the empress and my shadow cards are the Hanged man and the World. would you say this is relevant at all? For an Air sign, you've got a lot of Earth elements here in the cards. These are relevant only in regards to that confusion of yours. The Empress indicates that you easily develop and seek creativity--also to help people, advise them, comfort them, guide them. The Shadow cards are telling in regards to what you fear--you fear the very thing you're seeking now--WATER, emotions, lack of control (Hanged man, passive, turned-up-side-down) and solitude. These are things which will teach you much if you face and learn from them. The World indicates that you might learn something also from travel, from worldly experiences and, quite simply, TIME. Which all brings us back to the High Priestess relating to your new search for spirituality; the Moon goes hand-in-hand with the HPS--especially given that your search has clearly brought you to the cards. Spirituality via such things as the Tarot is a very "watery" form of spirituality--psychic, instinctual--solitary. Psychic stuff is creative (your strength) but it's not like going to Sunday School for structured lessons and rituals--it's very free form, very intuitive--you go with the flow (something you fear), where it takes you, when it takes you. The High Priestess is all about traveling through dark, secret, magical lands, lands ruled over by the Moon, by water. The reversed Moon indicates that right now, you're wandering through the "bad lands," or, if you will, swimming in deep waters in the dark of night. You're facing fears, confusion, illusions, lonliness. What do you need to do? Turn the Moon right side up--and learn from the Hanged Man how to swim through those deep, scary waters.

theman_ca	15 Apr 2003
this is all very interesting thank you thirteen. and i must say ive used ur page as a resource for me. i myself am recently delving deeper into the world of the tarot and found ur page as a wonderful guid. could the hanged man represent the sort of stage that i am in now tho. sort of a glipse of the spirtual world but not the full fledged that the world encompases, and that these that are hidden are the phases that I must pass through??

Thirteen	16 Apr 2003
This isn't a "stage" that you are going through; your shadow card is, rather, a part of yourself that--quoting from MeeWah here, the hidden or unknown aspects of self; the "dark" side of self; the side of self one denies or projects onto others. That's the "dark side" meaning the secret or unconscious side--not "dark side" as in Star Wars ;) This is the part you have to discover, face and learn from. The Hanged Man would indicate, to me, that it's the part of you which sees the world from a very different perspective; a part of you that feels cut off and separated from the rest of the world. It's an intuitive, psychic part and it's one which, if you give into it, will be like a surrender or sacrifice--not in your control. The Hanged Man gives himself up to the forces around him, he does not have any control over them, he doesn't even try to control them--that's frightening. He offers himself as a sacrifice, knowing that he will get insights as a reward--but it's still a scary thing to do. His isolation is also frightening, as well as his unique perspective, which he alone sees. I'm not the least surprised that you might deny this part of yourself, not want to deal with it--or leave it hidden. But here's the trick--The World is the OPPOSITE of The Hanged Man. Learn from the Hanged Man about the power within, your psychic, intuitive powers--and you will gain great insight into the World around you, and far from being isolated, feel a part of everything. This, in turn, will ultimatly allow you to express and use those Empress qualities of yours, the ones that are so much a part of your personality and destiny. That, at least, is how I read all this.

bighairymonster	14 Jun 2004
Hope I'm not barging into the discussion, but I'd like to ask whether there is any difference where we have an UPRIGHT moon and REVERSED HP? Because lately I'm having these cards myself. Oh, I'm an earth sign, by the way. I've been doing readings to look into my emotions towards sth, and these two cards have been appearing all the time.

Thirteen	14 Jun 2004
You're getting the opposite? Interesting. And yes, indeed, there IS a difference. The Moon is a very out of control card. You surrender to it--either to it's creativity, illusions, magic or wildness. For example, have you ever had one of those creative moments where you find yourself working on something--a painting? A poem?--all night long? You don't eat, you don't sleep. YOU have a vision and it's ALL you can see. That's the Moon. Ever had psychic visions or experienced illusions? Ever felt lost, sunk in depression, dark, wildly emotional or just a little crazy? That's the Moon. Likewise, remember those nights--or maybe you don't ;) I'm talking that time you got really drunk, or that time you maybe shouldn't have gotten into that car with all those party animals, and maybe smoked something you shouldn't have, and maybe ended up in another town altogether with no cash in your pocket and one shoe missing and only two buttons on your shirt and....okay. I won't bring it all back. That's the Moon. UPRIGHT. Theman_ca's reversed Moon indicates a person trying to control those urges. Trying to discover her personality more systematically--which is exactly how a good Aquarian might do it. Use the mind, not the emotions. Essentially, the reversed Moon is: "Don't lose your mind. Don't surrender control." Which can be a *good* thing in most cases--but not if you're innately creative or psychic. As for the upright HPS--she's a librarian of sorts. Likes to research. Likes to delve into mystical secrets--which is fine for the Aquarian theman. But what theman is doing is reading all about white river-rafting--but avoiding actually getting into a raft and experiencing it. You've got the opposite problem. Earth sign that you are, you've no problem going physical with the mystic stuff. Get into a raft and head down the river? Let's go! Nibble on a strange mushroom and have some visions? Sure, why not? The problem is...you're heading down that river in a raft filled with friend--but no river guide! No paddle for that matter. Put it another way: Qabalistically speaking, the HPS is Gimel, the Camel. It carries you though the dark, night time desert. The dark places of your soul. The Moon is that desert--with a single river flowing through it. You've no problem exploring the desert, the river, the whole landscape. Unfortunately, you are never going to get to the other side of this desert without your camel. HPS reversed--you're not solitary; you've been experiencing the Moon with friends--this would be like learning tarot cards with six buddies, none of you knowing anything about the tarot, none of you bothering to bring any books to the meetings. And all of you easily distracted, especially as you usually bring a six-pack of beer to these sessions. *Special note*: I'll add at this point that learning the tarot like this doesn't mean you wouldn't have any results. The MOON indicates the contrary. Instinctual insights. But without the HPS you can't really focus, can't really retain what you learn. So, first message of that HPS card, if you really want to learn and understand what you're experiencing under the Moon, you need to be alone. You can't be distracted by a lot of other people partying away with you. 2nd message: You also don't have any teacher. There's no guidance, no one to pass on important secrets to you. I would say, opposite theman_ca, it's time for you to find someone, or something (like a book) to help you focus, to give you direction. A paddle and/or river guide to help you fully enjoy, understand, and make the most of your white-water-rapids experience. Does that make sense?

bighairymonster	17 Jun 2004
Thanks, Thirteen for the long and informative reply! What you said did ring a bell - throughout this year I've exercised self-control and focused on studies, pushing away any chances for romance. Now that it's all done, I'm like "okay! I have time for romance now!" Then along comes this old school friend who's interested, and I drew these two cards out. I guess the Moon represented me being insecure 'coz all this is very vague and it seems very wild. No I haven't been drunk or anything crazy like that - but past history has seen some very depressing and weirded-out moments whenever I fall in love. And when I snap out of it I often find myself wondering "what was THAT?!" Hence I seriously need a guidebook, like you say. Does anyone write those "love for dummies" books? ;) HPS: I often get this card, upright or reversed. I think she represents me. I think it's good advice...the need to be alone to go on that strange journey... Again, thank you for your insight. :)

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