Talking Cards

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 25 Apr 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

NeXoRiouS	25 Apr 2003
I guess it was a week ago, I was restless and simply asked a question(which is not important) and the moment I shuffled with my eyes half asleep, the picture of the Emperor appeared before my mind. Unaware of why was it so, I told myself it won't appeared. Miraculously, the Emperor showed up as the outcome. The moment I saw this happening, I was rather freaked out as it was the first time it happened. Yesterday, when I was shuffling for my daily card, out of no where, again, Knight of Cups appeared in my mind and I believe that there won't be such coincidental happenings. To my suprise, Knight of Cups showed up. *knitted my eyebrows* I thought, was it magic? To prove it again, I quickly shuffled my deck and thought of a particular card but everytime I lose concentration and could hardly remember what card was it. Aparrently, there weren't any miracles. Purposely trying to see any miracles, through several times of repeating it. In vain, I got no satisfied results. Has it occured to anyone before? Does it mean anything? Though the cards really sparked a significant effect of the day, but to me I don't think it is just so simple. Maybe someday I could hear a voice. haha. Telekinesis or was it mere coincidence?

lunalafey	25 Apr 2003
OH YES!...... This is a somewhat common occurance for me. In a recent reading I did, my inner-ramblings said, "watch, the lovers will come up" ...I had a 'leaper'....landed face down, I was almost too scared to look...it was the lovers. I don't think it's a loss of concentration. For me it's the lack of it that brings these images. It would appear to be that you are getting in touch with your intuitive side.

allibee	25 Apr 2003
great thread! I'm glad you brought this up because I was beginning to think it was just me :O) Although it doesn't happen quite the same way with me LOL. I used to be sitting on Aeclectic, reading and writing ... as you do ... and I would be responding to someone and I would get a card come up in my mind, then another, then another, then another. I'd scribble down the cards and sure enough a few days later that same person would mention an area of concern they have in one of the forums and hey presto, there was the answer in the mental spread .... F-R-E-A-K-Y!!!! I find I have these intuitive moments when my mind is totally absorbed in the mental chit chat of daily routine, and not at all focused. Allison

NeXoRiouS	25 Apr 2003
Somehow nowadays my guessings actually become true. Could tarot cards enable my ability to fortell future even without the usage of the cards? Life is too strange. Can't stop thinking about all the strange happenings revolving around me. AHHH~~

skytwig	25 Apr 2003
discovering psychic abilities is at first delightful and then maybe a little scary. Sorting them out and learning what to do with them is the 'chore'. I sometimes wonder is i didn't so much predict the card as influence it's appearance. I use a penduluum and I have to work to not be influencing its swing to what I WANT to see. Openmindedness is a key to any use of psychic tools. Almost indifference to the outcome, if we are divining, I mean. Learning that we have psychic intuition has its responsibility. I think it tends to be remembering what we could do quite naturally as children. Society discourages intuition. The question now may be, how can you utilize this tool in your life? What does it indicate for you? I personally don't believe in future forcasting. I think the Universe is too fluid for predestination. but we, as psychics, can See where things are moving and help ourselves and/or others make changes to avoid precarious situations. The most important step, for any psychic, is believing yourself, trusting this new found gift and honoring Who you are!

lunalafey	25 Apr 2003
Quote: Originally posted by allibee I find I have these intuitive moments when my mind is totally absorbed in the mental chit chat of daily routine, and not at all focused. exatly the point I was making in the loss vs. lack of concentration, the inner-ramblings....... and from skytwig: I personally don't believe in future forcasting. I think the Universe is too fluid for predestination. but we, as psychics, can See where things are moving and help ourselves and/or others make changes to avoid precarious situations. I agree with this, but there are somethings that will just be so. I feel that it is more a matter of timing and attitude towards something (specific for the situation) that allows for us to get a 'sneak peek' into the future.......If one is not going to use the info in a good way....it won't be given.

jakyle	29 Apr 2003
When I shuffle and I see this card flip at me,I know the "whatever you want to call it" Oracle/magic energy,is with me....Telling me to go ahead and read....It's like The Emperor card is giving me the ok to start.....Like the opening of the door....But then I put him back in the deck,and shuffle again....And low and behold,he usually pops up again rather quickly.....Then I start...

Khatruman	29 Apr 2003
The difference that I saw was that when the card came to you, you understood it. You said it "appeared" in your mind. As soon as you exerted will, saying in effect, "Ok, let me make the card come," it didn't come. The trick to intuition as I see it is to trust, let go of will, and relax to allow the true answer to surface. That is how intuition works, in my experience. You aren't making the universe happen, you are submitting will to the universe and allowing it to happen. In essence, isn't this what we do in tarot reading? We shuffle the cards face down, cut at random, or choose random face down cards, and take our will OUT of the process to allow the universe to work more fully in the process. If we wanted to will the answer, it would be simple: turn over the cards and choose which ones you want. Working with intuition and the universe works if we surrender to it, not exert will over it.

skytwig	29 Apr 2003
I find that Big Will is much more flexible than we may think or believe. One 'proof' of that, if needed, is our incredible intelligence. If I were 'God' and I wanted beings to do what I say, I would make them stupid. If, however, I wanted beings who could make choices and wend their way through life, I would give them Free Will and Talents and Intelligence. Sorry, Khat, I have distinct reaction to 'getting my will out of the way'. I am not a puppet, even when I wanted to be....... Yes, I believe some things happen that are Universe driven. but i suspect that somewhere, tucked in its folds of action, my free will is saying Yes! Just food for thought...... :)

zorya	29 Apr 2003
i'm with you on the trust and allowing, khatruman. how can we hear/sense what the universe is saying if we are busy trying to make it happen. think too much and you will hear nothing. i see it as tapping into a giant web. the web being that which connects everything. if you accept that you are part of or at one with everything, you will have more access to info. if you are trying to exert your own will, you are separating yourself from all that is. skytwig, of course part of you is making the choice to say yes, but i see it as allowing.... making the choice to step out of the way, open up and allow.

Khatruman	30 Apr 2003
Quote: Originally posted by skytwig Sorry, Khat, I have distinct reaction to 'getting my will out of the way'. I am not a puppet, even when I wanted to be....... Yes, I believe some things happen that are Universe driven. but i suspect that somewhere, tucked in its folds of action, my free will is saying Yes! I'm sorry if I didn't make my message clear. I in no way endorse the puppeteering view of the greater Spirit. That was not my intention. In fact, often I site an incident in Milton's Paradise Lost, where God and Christ are talking about the Fall of Adam and Eve. God knows that Satan will trick Eve and that they will fall to temptation. Christ asks God if he knows that this will happen, why doesn't he stop it. God basically responds that if he doesn't let man make his own choices, then he becomes no more than a puppet. I didn't mean to imply that there is a set control to the universe and that we are just walking the path. But there is a flow, like a river that runs through things, and to see that flow, one must give up thinking with a stubborn will, but see the flow and the possibilities. There are currents that are running through to destinations, and surrendering your willful thought for a moment might allow you to see the potential destination. That doesn't mean that you can't swim another way. There is where the Will comes in. But it is far easier to move in the direction you wish after you have seen where the universe is flowing towards. Like fighting an undertow, it is better to swim to the edge of it, rather than try to fight directly against it. My personal view of the Greater Spirit is a collective spirit whose pieces reside in us and in all living things. In that way, we are not totally controlled by God, but some of what God becomes is controlled through us. We have free will, indeed, but we also have a connection and obligation to the greater Will, which is all living things. I have heard an interesting insight recently (actually from Rachel Pollack's wonderful Forest of Souls), that most every major religion has a central philosophy of loving your neighbor, loving your fellow being. Your personal Will is fine, but it must also connect and be beneficial to the greater Will. Peace.

skytwig	30 Apr 2003
Gotcha! Thanks. You can tell I went through religion prison, can't you? I tend to believe that 'Big Will' is quite simple: Be! and 'God' said, I AM. Yes, Impeccable BEing is becoming the best being, human we can be. It is that simple, but for us humans, that difficult. the 'temptation' for greed, which is really poverty, is overwhelming on this planet. But, many of us "Get It" and that is Grand. Life is to be lived and laughed and enjoyed! :laugh:

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