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High Priestess- what's her lesson?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 28 May 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.



CompassRose  28 May 2003 
If you have an image of the Tarot Journey in your mind, what, in your opinion, would be the lesson the High Priestess teaches? What's her role to the traveller? What must he gain from her to continue?

Must confess, my reasons for asking are more than simple scholarly joy... I'm going through a bit of a spot personally, in all sorts of areas, and repeatedly coming up with the Magician as my personal representative at present. A search on that gave me plenty of food for thought, and the biggest feast was found here. A lot of this resonates, and some of it comes as a needed kick in the Joe Boxers.

So, suppose I am the Magician... I usually see myself as the Page of Cups, but well, there it is... I know I'm on -- or meant to be on-- a journey, and pretty much stalled right now. Next stop should be the High Priestess.

The High Priestess knows secrets, and she's a teacher. What would you say her deepest lesson is? 


oliveoil  28 May 2003 
To share her power and beauty with the world in a way that is beneficial to those around her, not to hoard it or disguise it, but to embrace and apply the power of the feminine as it should truly be. 


Thirteen  28 May 2003 
You might say that the HPS is the yin to the Magician's yang--balancing his light with her dark, his chatter with her silence, his bright, exposed personality with her veiled, mysterious persona. He is all exterior--you see his outside, but not is inside, she is all interior--you get to know her inside, but her outside is hidden. He is standing, she sitting, he is moving, she is still. His red with her blue. His conscious, active mind to her subconscious, dreaming mind, his reason to her intuition.

Etc.

The real clue to the HPS, though, I think, comes from Qabala, where she is seen as the camel who carries the traveler across the desert. This is the Abyss, an area of surrender, of enlightenment, of darkness and mystery as well.

She's the one who's going to get the Fool from the Magician's inspiration (potential for what might be, the germ of idea, the seed of life) to the Empress' actualization (starting to make the potential real, planting the seed, giving brith to the baby).

Her ultimate message--the masculine must balance with the feminine to eventually achieve CREATION (or, if you will, every argument must face a counter argument in order to achieve synthesis). 


Kazz  29 May 2003 
Well said Thirteen..:D

And I would like to add something that I use when interpreting The High Priestess as a lesson....

To me it's about being a little naive, having "innocence" but having "built in" steet smarts with it. So as a lesson, she is telling you that you must always remember to trust your 'first' natural instints (intuition) with everything that is new and unknown, and not to forget that she never gives much away...;) and all is not known, so tread carefully and wisely and you will make your way just fine..:)



Cheers
Kazz


:TQC 


allibee  29 May 2003 
"..... look honey, I don't want to upset you, but there's something... I don't know.... something not quite right about that guy...I can't quite put my finger on it at the moment...."

Later

"..... Hey, honey, you know THAT guy, yeah. I remember now. He's the one caught flashing in Wendy's, yeah. When they got hold of him the burger order guy thought it was a weiner and.... well ... no wonder that guy walks funny now *wink*..."

****************************************************

"...So, you'd like to work here... now what makes you think you're right for the job?................... No, I didn't ask what your qualifications were, I asked you what you thought makes you the right person for the job......"


Just a couple of examples from the yet to be written: Pooh's Book of Delphian Honey, LOL

A. 


mags@Treadwells  29 May 2003 



allibee  29 May 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by mags@Treadwells

Totally lost me here though, mate


Hi mags...
Everyday examples in action....
1) Intuition/hidden knowledge
2)Retrieving knowledge
3)Looking inside others/asking others to look inside themselves

Maybe Poohs Book of Delphian Honey should remain unwritten, LOL

A. 


oliveoil  29 May 2003 
Alibee:

You have pushed me into a state of confusion. Either you are so brillantly clever and subtle that it is beyond the scope of human perception, or you spent too many hours downing pints and at your local pub. 


Alex  29 May 2003 
"That Obscure Object of Desire"

Alex. 


HOLMES  29 May 2003 
the jungian tarot high priestress thread in the study group,
it comes from a jungian psychology .but i learned much from doing it with the handbook. 


allibee  29 May 2003 
Quote:
Originally posted by oliveoil
Alibee:

You have pushed me into a state of confusion. Either you are so brillantly clever and subtle that it is beyond the scope of human perception, or you spent too many hours downing pints and at your local pub.


I'd go for the first option if I were you, *wink*

It's quite simple I think you'll find, understand her M.O, understand her lesson

A. 


oliveoil  29 May 2003 
Allibee:

I apologize for mispelling your screen name. Actually, I quite enjoyed the excerpt. It is comforting to know that I am not alone in seeing the world in ironic and deeper terms than most individuals.

Alex:

Re: Bunuel - been there, done that. I have no time for pompous artsy fartsy french nonsense, or self-absorbed intellectuals who go about quoting great books that are only best understood in the language inwhich they were originally written. But thanks for the recommendation anyway. 


Alex  30 May 2003 
for there is something about the feminine "power and beauty" that, it seems to me, you have not fully understood. Not how "it should truly be", but how it trully *is*_ because the cards talk about what *is*. The HP corresponds to the number 2 and among other things, represents duality.

Your interpretation of the cards talks about one side. There's another to be acknowledged.

Watch it again, and leave the prejudice in the bathroom this time.

Alex.

Quote:
Originally posted by oliveoil

Alex:

Re: Bunuel - been there, done that. I have no time for pompous artsy fartsy french nonsense, or self-absorbed intellectuals who go about quoting great books that are only best understood in the language inwhich they were originally written. But thanks for the recommendation anyway.
 


oliveoil  30 May 2003 
Duality is illusive. Nothing is that simple, black and white, yin and yang, good and evil are man made constructs to explain what man in incapable of grasping. 


Diana  30 May 2003 
I would be curious to know whether Compass Rose has got an answer to her very interesting post that she started this thread with.

You talk of The Tarot Journey. I love The Journey.

The Papess, (or High Priestess) is the first person the Bateleur/Magician meets on his Journey of Initiation. She is the Mother, the Woman, the guardian of the Sphinx. She is the Feminine incarnated. The holds the book of Life in her hands. The book is open, but if you try to read it, you will not understand it. For it is written in an alphabet that you do not know. In that book, there is a chapter with your name. She invites us to go behind the veil and discover the World. (The World we only meet at the end of our journey, but she holds the promise of this on her lap.)

She will not tell the Bateleur (the Magician) her secrets or reveal any of the knowledge. Never. For he is only at the beginning of his journey, and if she revealed them to him, he would go stark raving mad. He would end up in a straight-jacket under permanent sedation. Once you have accepted her invitation to go behind the veil, you cannot turn back. Never. So either you stay outside the temple, and amuse the crowds with your tricks, or you take the Step without a backward glance. If you do try to go back, you will be turned into a pillar of salt.

It is a big decision to take. Everyone will have to take it one day.

Of course, she won't let everyone in. She is selective. She will turn you away if you are not ready.

When you have gone through the veil, you will be welcomed by the Empress and she will tend to your tired feet and smooth away your worries.

It is advisable then to do the rest of the Journey in an orderly manner, to avoid disillusionment, depression, ill health and all manners of disorders. 


galadrial  30 May 2003 
This is part of what Jason C. Lotterhand says of the High Priestess in his "Thursday Night Tarot" book:

"In psychological terms all the powers of Key 2 represent SUBCONCIOUSNESS, the feminine element in the psyche that responds to the masculine, self-concious element typified by the The Magician Key. The relationship between these two principles is crucial. There must be an exchange between male and female in order for anything to happen...and so Binah, the form-maker, balances Chokmah, the ineffable spirit.
The use of the word "subconciousness" does not mean that the Father aspect is in any way superior to that of the Mother. They are equal. On the Tree of Life they both come from the single point of Unity and they exist together on the same level. The Tree of Life is an expression of Reality as it exists in the universe and in ourselves. In other words, we are made in the image of God. Like the Tree of Life, we have both masculine and feminine aspects within ourselves. The whole Tree- our life- results from the relationship between the spheres of Wisdom and Understanding, the fire and water that are the Big Two of occult philosophy.
The prefix "sub" means that The High Priestess is totally responsive to and reflective of self-conciousness. Modern psychology uses the phrase "the unconcious" in reference to this principle. It's a shame to call the universal mind unconcious, but we don't have better terminology at the present time. The whole point of our effort here is to involve ourselves conciously with the unconcious. The unconscious is not just a bunch of nothing. It happens to be the law of the universe. That's the Tora rolled up on the lap of The High Priestess. We are trying to learn how to manipulate this law from the level of The Magician." 


Alex  30 May 2003 
dualism.

I thought you were, for your former observation in fact DID imply a value judgement ... and for some misterious reason you forgot to mention the "other" side of "the power of the feminine".

See, sometimes females use their "power" towards very "egoistic" goals, not at all "beneficial to those around her", but sure "beneficial" to herself. Denying that part of the female nature is fine by me, but I won't trust my "best female friend" with my husband, if I happened to have one.

Good and evil do not exist, I agree with you. At least until someone comes here to steal the few dollars I have to go through the month.

Technically (philosophically), you're right, but in practice, I think you're wrong.

Alex.


Quote:
Originally posted by oliveoil
To share her power and beauty with the world in a way that is beneficial to those around her, not to hoard it or disguise it, but to embrace and apply the power of the feminine as it should truly be. [/b]


Quote:
Originally posted by oliveoil
Duality is illusive. Nothing is that simple, black and white, yin and yang, good and evil are man made constructs to explain what man in incapable of grasping.
 


oliveoil  31 May 2003 
Alex, I completely agree with views on woman! What I meant by "embrace it as it should be", is to NOT be manipulative, which I see many women being. Unfortunately, we have misunderstood each other, and my post was not well articulated. 


Umbrae  01 Jun 2003 
A journey with any card – High Priestess or whomever, once articulated – is less than the journey itself.

Any spiritual activity becomes less than the sum by the ambiguity of the words used to express it.

One person’s journey with the High Priestess will be dissimilar from any others – and to expect a sameness implies rules upon her, that she may not be willing to follow.

But then…perhaps I’m rambling. 


oliveoil  01 Jun 2003 
Bingo! Many assume that the Fool's journey is static. It is not! EVERYTHING IS RELETIVE, SUBJECTIVE, FLEETING AND UNIQUE! 


RedEarth  02 Jun 2003 
I see the lesson of the High priestess as looking inside yourself, your inner self for the answers you are looking for.
The High priestess stands between you and the veil of your subconcious, ready to allow you access if you fervently desire to know the inner secrets. She exudes confidence, sensuality. She knows she has the right -to-be, and invites you to discover this for yourself.


RedEarth 


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