Energy in cards ?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 18 Aug 2003, and now archived in the Forum Library.

paulo32	18 Aug 2003
Hello Why somme people say that is important to let the querent snuffle the cards and have the energy of him in the cards ? bye paulo

Elle	18 Aug 2003
I am a believer in this method. I think it helps the querent to concentrate and put their energy into the cards while shuffling. An old friend of mine who read for years and years used to make us cut the cards with a silver coin. I don't know the meaning behind this tradition, though. She used to instruct us to "shuffle your life into the cards". I guess she thought that was the only way to get a true reading of the individual. She was the best, and I'll never forget her methods. Warmest, Elle edited for spelling mistakes...

full deck	18 Aug 2003
Some swear by this approach. Personally, I find that it is just a method to bring the querent into the reading and to help them focus their thoughts, thus their question and forming the question without confusion of purpose and with clarity of thought is very important (sometimes a querent wants to know the sun, the moon and the stars, all at once!). The reader is more like a furnace and the question is what fuels our furnace. Obviously, it is vital that the reader facilitates the reading and not the other way around. The "personal energy"? I'm not convinced of such at all. I think that, to a certain extent, it is mental prop and though "presence" is required, not so much to the extent of ritualizing such or placing such importance upon such. I had someone show me some stickers last night that had a little planet with rings around it and one supposedly would peel off the sticker and put it on a cup of tea or coffee for some beneficial "ki energy" boost. That and sacred road gravel, Raccoon hides dried on the north side of trees and my dad's flashlight have "special" energy. ;-)

Thirteen	19 Aug 2003
Skeptic that I often am, I find I do believe in the "personal energy" aspect, only because I keep running into it. I remember one night where I did an intense reading for person #1--who happens to be a powerful pyschic herself. After we were done, I passed the deck to Person #2 without doing much to it to cleanse it. Person #2 shuffled the cards for a long time and very thoroughly. I laid out the cards for person #2 and they were almost the exact same cards in almost the exact same positions as those of Person #1. I picked up the cards and asked Person #2 to try again. She shuffled, shuffled, shuffled--and when she was done I laid out almost the exact same cards in almost the exact same order as before. All Person #1's reading. I glowered at Person #1 for influencing the cards and, chagrined, took back the deck. After "cleasning" it with white light (that I envisioned enveloping it) and shuffling again, I handed it back to Person #2. Completely different cards came up this time--and the reading was all Person #2's. This sort of thing has happened frequently enough to me that I superstitiously "clear" the deck when a reading is ended (usually just knocking on the table will do it--it's with powerful people like Person #1 that you need more), and I always start and end my sessions by shuffling the cards myself. I do believe in handing the deck off to the querent to shuffle; I do think it gives the cards the querent's "energy," whatever that might be.

lunalafey	19 Aug 2003
I am one who likes for the querent to shuffle, as mentioned, their thoughts and "energy" works into the reading. Sometimes the issue on one's mind can't really put into words. If you are trying to see it in a physical thing, 'putting energy into cards' -that is questionable thing with me. I see it more symbolic & meditative. The 'energy' is not in the deck but fills the area.

catlin	19 Aug 2003
I also stick to the tradition to have my querents shuffle the cards, that is also why I am reluctant to do remote readings.

full deck	19 Aug 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Thirteen Skeptic that I often am, I find I do believe in the "personal energy" aspect, only because I keep running into it. It's good to hear about these things. I am usually a bit skeptical, only because I find it is too easy to indulge in wishful thinking and I want to allow certain events to happen with as little interference on my part as possible. I run into such superstition when I travel that it puts me on guard often. It really seems that the more fantastical a thing is, the more people will want to believe that it is true, all without the benefit of proof or even direct experience and even then, how often do some mistake gas pains for something important? Some skepticism is a useful thing.

Elle	19 Aug 2003
Phone readings I find to be slightly better, I can get a vibe from the person. I refrain from offering readings here because: A) I am intimidated! B) Remote readings do not supply enough intuitive energy - becomes an intellectual exercise - something is missing from the personal nature of the connection for me. Hmm...Maybe it is all in my head as far as the fear is concerned... Warmest, Elle

Aun	19 Aug 2003
The readings I've been doing over the internet, seem to work as well as when I read in the presence the querent shuffling and cutting the deck. Therefore, I dont believe this 'energy' is necessary for a succesful reading... Cheers, Aun

Diana	19 Aug 2003
I really think readings can be done in any imaginable way. With or without the querent shuffling. Or even (as I have done twice in my Experiments on the Reading Exchange) before I even knew who I was reading for. (i.e. I did a reading, and then requested someone to come forward and accept the reading as theirs.) However, I like to offer the querent the possibility to shuffle. It makes them active in their reading, and makes it all less mysterious for them. It also puts them at ease to touch the cards. And then I can say to them, if they don't "like" the cards: "well, you chose them....". It kind of empowers them. But it is not necessary for the reading itself.

XLCR	19 Aug 2003
A friend bought a tarot deck that she never used and gave it to me to try out although I didn't care for the particular deck I felt a strong energy from the cards....anyone else ever experiance this?

Indigo_lady	19 Aug 2003
Energy is all around us, and it is not transmited by direct contact, i.e. a querent having to shuffle directly the cards Think of it this way, you don't have to touch the fire to feal the heat, heat waves are transmitted in the environment directly proportional I guess to the distance you are from the heat There are many certified studies on the "powers of the mind" which is basically the relationship between the energy and the work that our brain is capable of doing (and I don't mean adding 2+2) more like this guy who could bend spoons, mind reading, twins who know what is happening miles apart, the response of living organisms like plants to someone's emotions or attitudes, even emotional vampires... I'm giving you the most excentric environments perhaps, but the phenomena has been recorded So I would think that "QUERENT HAS TO TOUCH THE CARDS TO TRANSMIT HIS ENERGY" is not a maxim for card reading... I hope what I said made some sense at all ... thing is I started thinking of my old days of Physics, contact and non contact forces, ability to transmit energy, work.. etc etc etc.. and it actually is related (that fire example is utterly mediocre, but my mind is not that active right now) :-P

paulo32	24 Aug 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Aun The readings I've been doing over the internet, seem to work as well as when I read in the presence the querent shuffling and cutting the deck. Therefore, I dont believe this 'energy' is necessary for a succesful reading... Cheers, Aun That´s it Aun the distance prove us that is no need the querent be near to us to have succesful

Thirteen	24 Aug 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Indigo_lady So I would think that "QUERENT HAS TO TOUCH THE CARDS TO TRANSMIT HIS ENERGY" is not a maxim for card reading... I agree, absolutely. I've shuffled for people in online readings and it's worked just fine. I will say, however, that if there's going to be an energy "foul-up" (a deck that's sticky with someone's energy) it's going to happen with cards that were actually touched by a querent.

firemaiden	25 Aug 2003
Quote: Originally posted by XLCR A friend bought a tarot deck that she never used and gave it to me to try out although I didn't care for the particular deck I felt a strong energy from the cards....anyone else ever experiance this? To be honest, XLCR, I have never experienced this, but I believe you. What kind of strong energy did you feel? A good strong? or a bad strong? Like a good connection? Still, if you don't like the cards, and you don't think you will work with them, you can trade them away. What deck was it, by the way? Actually, I sort of just lied to you. I said I never felt energy from cards, but if I am to be perfectly honest, sometimes I lay out all the cards in a fan and move my hands over them until I do feel some energy from one card or another, to decide which one to turn over. So, in that case, yes, I have actually felt the energy of a particular card! (Thanks for getting me to think about this!)

mingbop	28 Aug 2003
i dont let them shuffle, i just do it myself. as thirteen says though, sometimes the reading for one person stays in there and pops up again with the previous cards--in my case i have to give myself a shake and concentrate harder. i find reading this site that there are so many ways of doing it--and none are right and none are wrong. you do what you feel...

XLCR	29 Aug 2003
When I first got my own deck (Sacred Circle) I could feel the energy coming from it. What I mean is - when I held the deck in my hands I could feel an energy coming from them (pretty similar to the energy I feel when holding a crystal in my hand). After much use my cards would lose their energy - in which case I found smudging (burning either inscense or a smudge stick) and surounding them with crystals returned the "energy" I believe that a quarant not need to touch the deck in order for answers to come - I don't think tarot picks up energy from people per say but that perhaps spirit guides/ angles assist before each reading I ask that my answers come from love and light and be for the greatest good - because I believe that readings are to assist in understanding circumstances

mingbop	31 Aug 2003
i was at my daughters one night & forgot my cards, so I tried her vampire deck (which was stupid I know)--and I felt phsically sick...I hate that deck !!

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