The number of children!

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 23 Jan 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Agathe	23 Jan 2004
Hi all :D I have this question I need to ask because I want to know what you think of it. A friend of mine asked my cards a question: How many children will I have? I thought, it's impossible to see that in cards! So, how is it? Have you ever been able to say the number of childern one would have on what cards tell you? Thanks and blessings, Agathe

Lightbringer	23 Jan 2004
Well that's a question that I've been asked too. At the time I was very reluctant whether it was possible to be answered or not but then I had an idea. A crazy one... I took all the court cards out of the deck and grouped them, then I made another pile with the minor arcana. I asked the person to take a first card out of the minors pile and then according to the number to take as many cards from the court pile. At the time that person took the 3 of cups. Then from the court pile: the page of wands, the queen of cups and the knight of pentacles. I interpreted it as being a boy, a girl and then a boy. I know this was a bit crazy. Imagine that a ten had come out... It was just an idea then... Hope to hear other ideas as this is a frequently asked topic.;)

Imagemaker	23 Jan 2004
This is the kind of question/answer that I think can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How driven to make it come true might you subconsciously be? Given this example, you have the first child, you contemplate having the second and think "the cards said I would" so you do, and again for the third. Or you can't get pregnant, so you decide to adopt three times. I don't see how anyone can separate this kind of longterm future, many others involved prediction from one's subconscious ability or intent to make it come true. When I was about 12, a Ouji board told me I'd die at 83. I've never forgotten that and wonder how I'll feel as I approach 83--grateful or panicked? (I have a few decades to go.)

Centaur	23 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Lightbringer I took all the court cards out of the deck and grouped them, then I made another pile with the minor arcana. I asked the person to take a first card out of the minors pile and then according to the number to take as many cards from the court pile. At the time that person took the 3 of cups. Then from the court pile: the page of wands, the queen of cups and the knight of pentacles. I interpreted it as being a boy, a girl and then a boy. I know this was a bit crazy. Imagine that a ten had come out... It was just an idea then... Hope to hear other ideas as this is a frequently asked topic.;) Cool idea ;). I think that one can probably devise a system to answer any question by using tarot. However, I tend to feel that specific questions, requiring specific one word, yes/no, or numerical answers are rather too constraining for tarot. But then, that is only my opinion. C

Thirteen	23 Jan 2004
When I was into palmstry for a bit I remember hearing that if one fists the hand, then looks at the little lines between within the "triangle" of large creases near the little finger, THAT will tell you how many kids you'll have. I don't think anyone I read palms for really took that part of the prediction seriously. I know I never did. More to the point, I guess, is that I don't know if I'd answer this question directly. It's become pretty complex question in this day and age--kids you give birth to, kids you adopt, kids you take under your wing, adults who are you're "kids," hey, even pets who are your "kids." I know people are usually only thinking of kids they give birth to--but life isn't always so prosaic. If I got asked this question, I'd probably have them pick out a random card and if it was something like "The Moon," my answer would be a nice, cryptic: "As many as you see in your dreams." And leave it at that. Then again, there is The Sun. It's the one card in the deck that I've been taught can predict kids, in particular, twins (either both boys or a boy and a girl).

skytwig	23 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Thirteen When I was into palmstry for a bit I remember hearing that if one fists the hand, then looks at the little lines between within the "triangle" of large creases near the little finger, THAT will tell you how many kids you'll have. Oddly, I have two lines there, thirteen..... and 2 kids! :D The way to find out is to run some experiments with people..... keep a running log of the readings and see what common denominators come up..... do readings for people, asking how many children they have..... eventually the cards will show us how they tell us....... ;) just a thought.......

Ariana	23 Jan 2004
And what are you supposed to get if you don't have children neither want them? The Fool?? :) I personally don't like kids nor want to have them, but I have 4 cats, and I would have more if possible.

Imagemaker	23 Jan 2004
Quote: the little lines between within the "triangle" of large creases near the little finger, THAT will tell you how many kids you'll have. Hmm, well I have 2 creases, had one (wonderful) daughter, and never was close to being pregnant a second time. However, I really really love her fiance as a son--does he count now?

CreativeFire	23 Jan 2004
Interesting question which I have been curious about as well... Tried the palm fist thing - and interestingly I have only one line - and have only one child (no more for me either). This caught my curiousity so got my Mum to try it and she has two lines very close together - she also has 2 children (my brother and I) - very close together in age?? Now with my interest piqued - got my husband to try it - he has only one line - but he has four children - so may only work on women? :-) I have been asked a few times recently by pregnant friends as to whether you can see in the cards what sex the baby is ... does anyone have ideas on how to see this? CreativeFire PS. Have some friends coming over this afternoon, so I am going to do a survey now on the palm lines vs number of kids - just for curiousity sake :-)

Thirteen	23 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Imagemaker Hmm, well I have 2 creases, had one (wonderful) daughter, and never was close to being pregnant a second time. However, I really really love her fiance as a son--does he count now? Ah. You begin to see the problem. {bows} The student has become the master.... Quote: Originally Posted by Creativefire I have been asked a few times recently by pregnant friends as to whether you can see in the cards what sex the baby is ... does anyone have ideas on how to see this? Why? Won't an ultra sound suffice? ;) Easy on that: Moon = Girls, Sun = Boys. Or you could take out the court cards, remove the pages (pages = kids in readings). Mix them up. Hold out the four cards to the querent and tell them to "pick a card, any card!" If they pull Page of Cups or Pentacles, girl. Wands or Swords, boy. It's not a personality thing in that case--cause you can certainly have "Pentacle" boys. It's just a sex thing. The Swords and Wands are more, well, you know....

CreativeFire	25 Jan 2004
Yes, Thirteen, I agree an ultrasound would be the sure fire way *LOL* Thanks for the info on the girl/boy scenario - that makes sense, will give that one a try. Cheers CreativeFire

Agathe	26 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Ariana And what are you supposed to get if you don't have children neither want them? The Fool?? :) I've heard that the Fool also means a child ;). Thanks everyone for your replies. You have really great ideas! Also, sorry, for not being present in this discussion earlier :(. Anyway, I did the reading for my friend. A lot of health problems showed up and it was really unclear if she would have any children at all. She admitted she had problems and that's why she was asking about kids. However, I felt deep down there she would have at least one child. And when the page of wands showed up I told her that I feel she'll have a boy first or only, though she might go through a difficult pregnancy :(. I wish her all the best. Thank you all once again and if you have more interesting ideas just write, write, write!!! Blessings, Agathe

ros	26 Jan 2004
For the sex of children I have read this but I have not tried it yet, if these cards come together in a reading: Ace of cups + Ace of Sword or Wand = boy Ace of cups + Ace of Coins = girl Just an idea.

Agathe	26 Jan 2004
Just an idea but a good one :D Agathe

ros	26 Jan 2004
I was just thinking I have had two different readers tell me the Ace of Wands is the pregnacy card.Once the first card turned over was this Ace & I ask the client if there was a pregnacy in the family & she laughed & said she's waiting to hear, she thinks there is. So this could be used for a QUESTION of pregnancy. So what if you took the Ace of Wands out of the deck & then asked the client to pull a card & whatever suit came up this would be the sex cups & coins= girls swords & wands = boys If the Majors show up in the pull, the cards are not telling you. Just an other idea.

WalesWoman	26 Jan 2004
It seems like the Empress with The Ace of Wands would make sense for possible pregnancy, but I sure wouldn't want to rely on cards for that. As for palmistry unless there are creases I can't see, I have two creases and five children???

Thirteen	27 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by WalesWoman As for palmistry unless there are creases I can't see, I have two creases and five children??? Small Print: the author makes no guarantees of accuracy using this method of prediction. Your number of creases or children may vary :D

Agathe	27 Jan 2004
Off the topic :D, but which lines are you talking about? Vertical or horizontal? Agathe

firemaiden	27 Jan 2004
warning: skeptic talking... If someone asked me to divine how many children they were going to have, I'd ask them, well, how many do you want then? How many *are* you going to have? I'd say its up to them... LOL I know for a fact, however, that there are some readers who can accurately predict even such specific things, so let me shut up now...

Ariana	27 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by WalesWoman It seems like the Empress with The Ace of Wands would make sense for possible pregnancy, but I sure wouldn't want to rely on cards for that. Well I agree here. Like 10 years ago I read for my mother in law at that time, and the Ace of Wands showed up. My first impression was that of a "new baby". When I told her that a new baby was coming into the family she got very happy cause she thought I was giving birth to her grandson... but nope....... I knew it wasn't.. summing up like 3 months later my bf and I broke up, and 1 year later (more or less) her new gf gave birth to his son..... After that I quit reading tarot for a while....... Ariana

Thirteen	27 Jan 2004
LOL! All right, that's a great story. Quote: Originally posted by Agathe Off the topic :D, but which lines are you talking about? Vertical or horizontal? Make your hand into a fist. Turn so you can see you little finger--and the side of your hand there. There are two deep horizontal "creases," one marking the bottom/base of your little finger, one which leads into what we call the "heart line" the topmost line crossing your palm before you reach the base of the fingers. Between the crease that marks the base of your little finger and the heart line there should be other, faint, hoizontal lines visible when you make a fist. Those faint lines and ONLY the faint lines (not the deep creases that bracket them) *supposedly* predict the number of children you'll have.

TemperanceAngel	27 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Thirteen Make your hand into a fist. Turn so you can see you little finger--and the side of your hand there. There are two deep horizontal "creases," one marking the bottom/base of your little finger, one which leads into what we call the "heart line" the topmost line crossing your palm before you reach the base of the fingers. Oh my goodness, there they are as clear as day *3* of them, funny 'cos I have two stepsons and plan to have one baby... I'm going to have to check my husbands. Back to the questions.....I say Page of Pents = boy Page of Cups = girl Page of Wands = boy Page of Swords = girl It would be nice as a reader not to be asked this question (along with where and when and what time and what will my soulmate look like and what kinda work does he do...dah?)...but people ask and I used to shy away from it, but I believe if people pay you money they have a right to have their question(s) answered... I also work intuitively on this question too :) XTAX If we have Astrology on here what about Palmistry?

Agathe	28 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Ariana Well I agree here. Like 10 years ago I read for my mother in law at that time, and the Ace of Wands showed up. My first impression was that of a "new baby". I always thought that there has to be like the Sun, or another card that tells about babies, followed by the Ace of Wands so that it would mean a new baby. Agathe

Agathe	28 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Thirteen Make your hand into a fist. Turn so you can see you little finger--and the side of your hand there. There are two deep horizontal "creases," one marking the bottom/base of your little finger, one which leads into what we call the "heart line" the topmost line crossing your palm before you reach the base of the fingers. Between the crease that marks the base of your little finger and the heart line there should be other, faint, hoizontal lines visible when you make a fist. Those faint lines and ONLY the faint lines (not the deep creases that bracket them) *supposedly* predict the number of children you'll have. But these lines are relationships lines, I think. And only visible vertical lines that cross your longest relationship line say about the number of children. Isn't it funny that there are so many views on that. I wonder which one is correct :) Blessings, Agathe

Thirteen	28 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Agathe But these lines are relationships lines, I think. Heh. Yep, I've heard that, too. Can't say which is right; it's been a loooong time since I was into palmestry and I never really found it satisfying. I mean, once you've seen a person's hand and said all you can about it, that's the end right? It's not like those lines are going to change from month to month. Tarot's far more interesting, flexable and rich. Each day, week, month and year can bring something new.

Agathe	28 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Thirteen It's not like those lines are going to change from month to month. But they do change, only on your left hand. I've been observing my hand for over 2 years now. Interesting things take place there :D. But you're right...Tarot is much more fascinating. Palmistry seems to be static and unexciting :(. Too bad. Blessings, Agathe

Ariana	29 Jan 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Agathe I always thought that there has to be like the Sun, or another card that tells about babies, followed by the Ace of Wands so that it would mean a new baby. Agathe Well I don't remember the other cards but only the Ace of Wands... specially because till that moment that card didn't signify pregnancy to me..

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