end of the world...

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 26 Mar 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

psy_nuhri07	26 Mar 2004
i read the revelations part of the bible and i got a bit terrified... it's really creepy but it would really happen. i used the day of death spread, asking when i would die. i remember the numbers and it was 10/24/2019. instead of my death, i guess what i saw is the end of the world. it's also said on the bible the same date on when the judgment day would be. what do you think? 2019 A.D., on the 24th day of the 10th m0nth. g0sh,,, >psy_nuhri07

jmd	26 Mar 2004
Revelations is undoubtedly one of the most difficult parts of the New Testament to begin to penetrate with understanding, and various interpreters have sought to unveil its meanings in a variety of ways. One of the most erudite, yet quite short, book addressing this very topic is from the author of Meditations on the Tarot. In the early 1930s, he gave a series of twelve 'studies' on the Old Testament, followed by another twelve on the New, followed by what was intended to be twelve on, specifically, the Apocalypse - only three were completed. Near the opening of the first study on the Apocalypse (p2, Apocalypse, Candeur Manuscripts, New York, no isbn given), he writes: 'How can it be possible to give definite information concerning the future of mankind, since the structure of that future obviously depends upon man's freedom? This objection disappears when we consider that the Apocalypse depicts two future paths, for it shows the stages of a path of ascent as well as of a path of descent. These paths are karmically determined. Who is to choose which path depends, however, on the freedom of each individual. [...] ' There vast resources and ways by which to read the Apocalypse, and deep spiritual exegesis of the same. With regards to the so-called 'day of death' spread, one may decide to create spreads and name them in whatever way... unfortunately, at times naming such gives them a false legitimacy, as is, in my opinion, the case with this spread. This does not mean that one may not accurately read such a spread, but perhaps one needs to also question the source of the presumed given answer. As many have said in different ways on these boards and elsewhere, there is also an inextricable freedom deeply embedded within each human being. If such is the case, perhaps the 'day of death' spread may more easily delude than reveal.

Phoenix Rising	26 Mar 2004
I wouldn't worry too much about the apocolypse. The end of times refers to the end of a consciousness, or of the old energy, which is that of fear. We are in great times now as the consciousness of the planet is speeding up, by 2012 the vibrational collaboration of the earth will be higher than any recorded throughout history. If people want to stay stuck in fear and the old ways, then yes they will probably die(which we all will one day) But we are in the greatest of times now, because we are all starting to wake up, our DNA have been activated. Because of the 11:11 and the 12:12. The masters and Angels are celebrating because the human consciousness has risen. And that will effect the earth and the universe. Live in hope and love not fear!

lunalafey	26 Mar 2004
I'm curious, where is the spread you used? how did you find the dates? is this explained in the spreads 'site'? the Aztec calandar ends 12/24/2012. Winter Solstice. I find this to be appopriate for winter is when everything dies off, making way for new growth come spring. Few interesting things about this, you add it up it equals 11.

firemaiden	26 Mar 2004
Hey, psy_nuhri07, Listen, people have been predicting the end of the world since, er.... the beginning of people. If all those predictions were true, the world would have ended a thousand times over all ready. What is it that makes people want to predict the end of the world? If you are concerned about the fate of the universe, try asking more constructive questions in more constructive spreads: Why don't you try this one: Firemaiden's awesome SAVING THE PLANET spread for psy nuhri .............1.............. .......2.........3 .....4..............5 .......6..........7 .............8...... 1) How can I foster a happy positive atmosphere in my own life, so that this good feeling will spill over on to others lives? 2, 3) How can I best contribute to the health and happiness of those around me? 4,5) How can I foster understanding and communication in my community? 6,7) How can I foster the health of the environment? 8) What gift is my unique contribution to the universe? Let us know what you come up with...

smleite	26 Mar 2004
Firemaiden, How inspiring is the spread you suggested! Thank you. For me, it is very important to find global meanings and structural answers in the tarot, so as to grow with it, and help others growing; you have just helped me to find a way.

Indigo Rose	26 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by jmd With regards to the so-called 'day of death' spread, one may decide to create spreads and name them in whatever way... unfortunately, at times naming such gives them a false legitimacy.... This does not mean that one may not accurately read such a spread, but perhaps one needs to also question the source of the presumed given answer....If such is the case, perhaps the 'day of death' spread may more easily delude than reveal. I agree with JMD. To that I would add that I believe a day of death reading to be a psychologically unhealthy thing. Our focus should be on LIFE and living it to the fullest. Death will come, but it is GOD's domain. Blessings, Indigo Rose

Phoenyx*	26 Mar 2004
I have to agree with Indigo here. I remember that "Day of Death" spread that was posted, and I remember asking, Why would anyone *WANT* to know what day they would die? As for the end of the world... Firemaiden is right, it would have ended thousands of times over by now. You can go into New Orleans near Macy's downtown and nearly on every corner is someone shouting out that the world is going to end, save your souls... Try using Firemaiden's spread and see what you come up with.

full deck	26 Mar 2004
Yeah, that's about right. My birthday is October 20, thus I may have four days afterward to enjoy.

Khatruman	26 Mar 2004
I'm reserving my table for the Restaurant at the End of the Universe... who wants to die'n with me? }) If we get enough people, we could book a banquet. :D

nodntap	26 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by lunalafey I'm curious, where is the spread you used? how did you find the dates? is this explained in the spreads 'site'? the Aztec calandar ends 12/24/2012. Winter Solstice. I find this to be appopriate for winter is when everything dies off, making way for new growth come spring. Few interesting things about this, you add it up it equals 11. Quote: Originally posted by lunalafey I'm curious, where is the spread you used? how did you find the dates? is this explained in the spreads 'site'? the Aztec calandar ends 12/24/2012. Winter Solstice. I find this to be appopriate for winter is when everything dies off, making way for new growth come spring. Few interesting things about this, you add it up it equals 11. I have to ask. How did you get 11 from 12/24/2012? 0012 ........................... 3 0024 ........................... 6 2012 . 2+0+1+2= ....... 5 --------------------------------- Total ........................... 14 .. 1+4=5 14/5 Totals Or maybe I missed your meaning???

WalesWoman	26 Mar 2004
Firemaiden, Great thoughts, great spread! I totally agree about everyone predicting the end of the world, since it began. Some things are just better not knowing, live each day as if it could be your last, that way your only regret was that it isn't longer, but you'll be so tired at the end of it, from doing everything you can with your best abilities and getting the most from it, that you will welcome the time to rest and make plans for tomorrow. If there was a blush icon, I would have to use it, because I was convinced the "end of the world" was coming myself, and under much protest from my kids, moved us back to Alaska before the Y2K thing (WHICH DID NOT HAPPEN) It was still a good move, but I am a bit embarrassed how easily I fell into the hysteria.

Teranar	26 Mar 2004
I would not abosolute put faith in the day of death spread. The day of my predicted death has come and gone. But I'm not saying nothing that could have killed me happened that day, but it was quite the opposite. -Teranar

HudsonGray	26 Mar 2004
I've HAD a day of death spread done for me back in 1987, the west coast was supposed to fall into the ocean just before, and my 'date' was in June of 1991. Well, it didn't happen, nobody I knew died that year, and I'm still alive. Since then I don't give much attention to future dates, not when your actions change everything in your life (though how it kept the coast of California attached for a decade, I don't know, should I take credit for that?).

lunalafey	26 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by nodntap I have to ask. How did you get 11 from 12/24/2012? 0012 ........................... 3 0024 ........................... 6 2012 . 2+0+1+2= ....... 5 --------------------------------- Total ........................... 14 .. 1+4=5 14/5 Totals Or maybe I missed your meaning??? ROFL~ my mistake, I am used to writting 12/24, for it is my S/O's birthday. I made mention of the solstice, I should have caught it then... 0012 0021 2012 ------- 2045 2+0+4+5=11 sorry about the confussion

VGimlet	27 Mar 2004
I was supposed to die before I was 30....still here twelve years after that birthday. :D In the 70's (can't remember the exact year) I had several friends who were pulled out of school by parents because their church said the world was going to end. And why bother with school if the world was going to vanish anyway??? I read somewhere recently that one of the new theories about Revelations was that it was written about a war that took place about AD 59 or so.

DeLani	27 Mar 2004
Well, I don't think people have been predicting the end of the world forever - just since the rise of apocalypic religions. Keeping the masses in fear of some huge end of days keeps them fearful, ignorant (like V Gimlet said, why bother with school if the world is going to end?), and obedient. Not only that, it causes immense disrespect to this world, this planet - why bother taking care of our environment if it's all going to be swept away someday? These apocalypic religions are always trying to create that self-fulfilling prophesies by starting wars and creating huge environmental problems. I apologize if I've offended any Christians here, but it is a discussion board. And why a "day of death" spread? Even if it *was* legit (how could it be?), what purpose would it serve? Why not a 'day of stock split' spread or a 'day of lucky lotto' spread? Sounds like pure "fortune-teller" hocus-pocus to me.

Thirteen	27 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by DeLani Well, I don't think people have been predicting the end of the world forever - just since the rise of apocalypic religions. But the Vikings did have Ragnarok, The Twilight of the Gods, and the Hopi also predicted an end of the world with the White Buffalo. So we can't just blame Christianity--though I'd say that Christianity has had many branches with their own predictions. There were predictions that the world would end at 1000AD, also at 1666 because of that "666" there. I remember living down the street from a Mormon family that dutifully stocked up a shack in their backyard with canned goods for the day the world would end. Of course, there are two major problems with End of the World predictions: First, if they attatch a number, well, that's artificial because not everyone has the same calendar--and even ours is hopelessly screwed up. We arbitarily started it supposedly at Jesus' birth, but we didn't actually. There's some years missing from the AD calendar. Something like 4. And then the calendar was changed several times along the way. Months were lost. And THEN we changed when New Year's started. Use to be April 1st, now it's January 1st. For some religions it's still not in January. The Chinese have a different New Year. And if you go by the Jewish calendar--which Jesus and most of his followers would have ahered to, then everything's messed up. Second, a lot of Apolyptic predictions say things like, "When a great tower rises..." blah, blah, blah--all of which are pretty vague and open to interpetation. Is our "Great Tower" the tallest tower ever (how will we know it when buildings keep getting taller? Does this include the antenna?)--or is it the one most used by people or is it the one housing the important people (who are?).....or is it great because the folk who build it will name it "The Great Tower" even if it's only a few inches high? You see the problem. The interpetations are so mired in verse and visions and, most especially in how the AUTHOR'S saw them, that there's no recognizing them. People can point and scream, "It's the great tower!" but is it? What if the Author was talking in code to his friends and "The Great Tower" refered to fortress, now long gone, filled with enemy soldiers? Revelations is filled with secret terms and messages because the writer didn't dare say plainly what he meant. It's thought, for example, that 666 = The Emperor Nero, making 666 a political statement. But then, there's also a thought that people have messed up all these years, that they read the number wrong and it's really 664 or 669. Maybe it's 667...the neighbor of the beast. Or 999...that's the dyslexic beast (yuck, yuck, yuck!) Okay. Going back to that "Great tower"--WHICH great tower did the man see in his futuistic visions? Was his vision of New York City and the Empire State Building...or in a little town with one meger skyscraper which, to our Biblical man would still have been a "Great Tower" even though, to us, it's nothing? Do we define the prediction as we see it, or as HE saw it? Airplanes, after all, to him wouldn't be "Men flying"--not if he saw them from the ground. From the ground they'd look to him like great insects or giant birds. "Men flying" would be guys soaring in hang gliders. You see the problem. End of the world predictions make interesting stories...but as wisely pointed out, it's foolish to waste any time on them. Live life well and to the fullest. Be happy and hopeful. Anything else is a waste of the time God has given you.

DeLani	27 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Thirteen But the Vikings did have Ragnarok, The Twilight of the Gods, and the Hopi also predicted an end of the world with the White Buffalo. So we can't just blame Christianity--though I'd say that Christianity has had many branches with their own predictions. I know this - that's why I didn't say Christianity. I specifically stated religions in the plural. I know that Christianity isn't the first or even the worst of the patriarchal, monotheistic, and/or apocalypic religions. I give thanks every day that I don't live in a fundamentalist Islamic country, like Saudi Arabia! (no offense to Muslems, just that the way women are treated in Saudi Arabia is abosolutely horrible.)

psy_nuhri07	31 Mar 2004
hey firemaiden, thanks for that, i think it will help me. well i guess it would be better if we use spreads which are more constructive for our well being. that's what i need to do for now. so long.! ^_^

jmd	31 Mar 2004
It would be wonderful to read your reading of such a spread... perhaps in 'Your Readings' ? There are so many avenues of possible investigation and ways of beautifying our world - if only more readings were done on such, I wonder what small seeds of transformation we would be planting! Your thread has brought some important considerations - so thankyou, psy_nuhri07 :)

firemaiden	31 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by psy_nuhri07 hey firemaiden, thanks for that, i think it will help me. well i guess it would be better if we use spreads which are more constructive for our well being. that's what i need to do for now. so long.! ^_^ You're welcome psy_nuhri! Yes, indeed that is the point. :D ^±^

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