Intuition.... more powerful than cards? and bonded energies

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 01 Mar 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Lucy Furr	01 Mar 2004
Does anyone else when they are doing readings feel that your intuition has already tapped in deeper than the cards can go even before you start shuffling? I.E. I've been trying to "pry" as you will into what the Goddess of Love is doing with my life... When I do a reading for a specific situation (the same one) the cards tell me what I've already realized and nothing more... like my intuition is going ahead of the cards and the cards are actually needing me to tell them.... this doesnt happen when i do others readings though, only mine... I've got this theory because it mostly happens when I do a love reading regarding this one specific person, that his and my energy are actually one and the same and together are very strong... I feel he is meant to be with me and I him, but we are kept apart... Oddly enough a reading I did told me that I'am close to the one I'm meant to be with, that we have searched for each other in every life and for some reason are always kept apart, as well as the fact we will keep coming back for each other until we finally do meet and stay together.... I've gotten off subject... so i guess its a dual post

contrascarpe	01 Mar 2004
Hi Lucy - This sometimes happens to me. I get a feeling about something before the cards are dealt. Often, however, I get a feeling from a card early in the reading and expand on it from there. My readings lately have tended to be less "book" meanings and more an inspiration. I am learning to let go of my logic and stay with my feelings. Not sure if that answered your question. Dan

allibee	02 Mar 2004
Quote: a specific situation (the same one) the cards tell me what I've already realized and nothing more I wouldn't say your intuition is overwhelming the reading here .... its a very strong message from the cards in fact "we keep telling you the same thing, why don't you listen?" :)

Mojo	02 Mar 2004
Your intuition IS the reading. The cards are just props. Tarot cards have no special powers or magic about them. They are simply tools that you use to format and formulate the stories you tell. But it's your intuition - 100% - that creates those stories. If you wanted to, you could do "tarot" readings using a "deck" made out of picture postcards or grocery store coupons. The power is in the reader.

firemaiden	02 Mar 2004
I like how Mojo puts it. I've only very scant experience reading, however, though my recent experiments in Spoof Readings in the Reading Exchange, I have discovered that if I confabulate whatever I want to regarding the question, and then pull the cards, these cards will often reflect my ravings quite nicely.

full deck	03 Mar 2004
What Mojo Jojo and Firemaiden said. The cards are no substitute for common sense or intuition. If you are true to the tools, they will be true to you, thus if you work on educating your perception and senses, you will see more, one way or another.

Kirranan	03 Mar 2004
I have this problem too sometimes. This is why I try not to do too many of my own readings because I find that most of the time I already know what I should be doing, or know the situation but I am just hoping that the cards will tell me different. I do agree with the others who said that the cards are a tool. The cards are like a diversion for the concious mind, in order to let the subconcious take over. Perhaps you could get a friend or a proffessional reader to give you a reading? Depending on what other skills your reader has, they may be able to tell you a little more about your soul then you would expect! I had that experience recently and was amazed at how much of my past life/aura/etc they could see. Just a thought, but I hope it helps :) Kirranan :-)

Khatruman	03 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Mojo Your intuition IS the reading. The cards are just props. Ditto on what HE said!!! Too many newbies here, as well as people who fear the cards, feel that the power lies in them. So they ask questions about their "energy" how the should be properly stored, how they MUST be shuffled, what rituals must be invoked before a reading, ad infinitum. What all this tends to do is to mask where the real power is coming from, oneself. Too many people are unwilling to trust their own inner voice and want assurances in the cards. I guess in some ways it is easier if the universe controls you, and the cards. Takes more work to be true to the intuition, but the payoffs are grand!!! If your intuition is that highly developed that you have the answer before you lay out the cards, then the cards are unnecessary for you. They are still good to hone your skills, for meditation and study, or to whack your brain when things begin to go stale.

Cerulean	03 Mar 2004
I do not know if this will be helpful, but perhaps some positive next step questions are what you desire? -------------------------------------------- Here's the second part of what I read, in context: I feel he is meant to be with me and I him, but we are kept apart... Oddly enough a reading I did told me that I'am close to the one I'm meant to be with, that we have searched for each other in every life and for some reason are always kept apart, as well as the fact we will keep coming back for each other until we finally do meet and stay together.... I've gotten off subject... so i guess its a dual post -------------------------------------------- Sometimes the reflective reading can be difficult because what we ask and see can reflect our inner hearts. It may be the question should not just reflect the heart aspect, perhaps we should rephrase if we are ready to understand or want to know more. It may be we might--if we are ready--to ask next steps, perhaps when we are ready, a focus on harder questions-- What is the wisdom that I need to have now because I am experiencing separateness from my desire? What good can I do with this understanding, for the benefit of all concerned, if my lesson now is separateness? Is there a gift or shadow that I need to allow in my awareness? What other dreams or gifts are possible for me, soon or in the near future? Perhaps these will assist you to uncover other truths, if this is what you are also asking. My best wishes for you in your questions and readings... Mari H.

Lucy Furr	03 Mar 2004
I'm in no way trying to start a flame or go off subject ect but I feel that the post place by Khatruman is rather judgemental. I'm sure you were new with cards once too. I find your post rather arrogant and kind of insulting being a "newbie" around here and a "newbie" to feeling comfortable with the cards. I guess the point here is to maybe try and make you realize you shouldnt be insulting people who are trying to learn, anyone trying to learn anything should get a pat on the back.

Lucy Furr	03 Mar 2004
thanks Mari_Hoshizaki ! Your phrasing example was actually very helpful.... I'm realizing thats the main problem with reading my own cards, I can read anyone else's but I cant find the proper words for what I'm trying to explore.

yve	03 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Mojo Your intuition IS the reading. The cards are just props. Well said Mojo...I couldn't agree with you more...the cards are just the tool for one's own intuition and personal energies....

Khatruman	03 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Lucy Furr I feel that the post place by Khatruman is rather judgemental. I'm sure you were new with cards once too. I find your post rather arrogant and kind of insulting being a "newbie" around here and a "newbie" to feeling comfortable with the cards. I guess the point here is to maybe try and make you realize you shouldnt be insulting people who are trying to learn, anyone trying to learn anything should get a pat on the back. If I came off sounding judgmental, I apologize, and very sincerely apologize. I, in no way, meant to sound arrogant, or above you. I am sorry if you read that message in my post. My intention was to empower anyone who felt inferior to the cards. You have the power, not the cards, and you clearly show that. I hoped that saying "too many" wouldn't sound like I was saying "all." Yes, I get frustrated sometimes in seeing people who place all power and abilities in the cards, in more experienced readers, in books, in experts. In many ways I feel inferior to you in that you can so clearly see the answers even before you read them in the cards. God, I wish I could do that. You have an intuitive ability which I strive for. I just haven't developed the courage to listen to and hear that voice so clearly as you do. Would you please accept my apology for sounding arrogant. I didn't mean to. Humbly, Russ

Lucy Furr	03 Mar 2004
It can be really hard to detect tone over these darned things !!!

TemperanceAngel	04 Mar 2004
remember reading in person and reading on-line are two very different kettles of fish.... Edited to explain that when you read on-line it is sometimes easier to glance at your cards, when you have a client sitting in front of you who has paid for a reading you look at your cards more! XTAX

Lorem	04 Mar 2004
Intuition overpowering the cards?? Better this way than the other way around, I suppose. But when I am in a proper Tarot (or any other divination) reading state of mind, the lines melt and flow together, and I can no longer tell where my mind ends and the cards begin. Thus I do not ask whether the reading comes from the cards or from my mind -- it's a meaningless question. If you feel that your intuition is going deeper than the cards can reach, then that probably means that you've got a strong and well developed intuitive sense. However, every time I've felt I've hit bottom, I've looked around to find that there's worlds more, just around the corner... -Lorem-

Never_Mind	05 Mar 2004
Why are there so many threads like this one in this forum?

purple_scorp	06 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Never_Mind Why are there so many threads like this one in this forum? Carol, I don't know, perhaps each has a different slant? Or maybe the search isn't too good, or maybe people don't search at all??? Can I just add, that I hate the term "newbie". I think the term in itself is somehow degrading. It does kind of promote a hierarchical structure. I wish we could come up with something else. How about "expert in training"? Nah, that's too long. Any body else hate that word and/or have any suggestions? Cheers purple_scorp P.S. I didn't do a search on that first....maybe there has already been a post about this???? Maybe this word is draped in mythical legend and history.....gosh, I don't know....I just know that I don't like it.

Phoenix Rising	14 Mar 2004
How about another name for Newbie be "Initiate" When we're shuffling I just see the cards as our own thoughts being laid out before us. I don't like asking questions for myself, as I would like to take control of my own life, so yes the power is within us. But the tarot is a good beginning to develop those intuitive processes, and then we won't need them. Other readers have said that they only use it as a tool so they don't go off on a tangent, and stay focused. The cards tell the querent what they already know and is confirmation, or what they need to know at that particular point in time.

TemperanceAngel	14 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Lucille How about another name for Newbie be "Initiate" We had a discussion about newbie not so long ago, I think it was in the subscribers section though. Anyways I think the general consensus was to not use the word newbie, as no-one really seemed to like it very much :) XTAX

purple_scorp	17 Mar 2004
Quote: Originally posted by TemperanceAngel We had a discussion about newbie not so long ago, I think it was in the subscribers section though. Anyways I think the general consensus was to not use the word newbie, as no-one really seemed to like it very much :) XTAX Hi XTAX. So, did you guys come up with an alternative for "newbie" in that thread? Lucille, I don't mind "Initiate". Cheers purple_scorp

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