Evil Tarot

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 14 Apr 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Emiac	14 Apr 2004
When consulting the tarot, what is it that actually heeds our call? God? Ze holy spirit? Ghoulies? Or maybe just the individual deck itself? If this is true, is the deck 'ALIVE' in some way?- (To be able to connect with higher wisdom) *IF YOU THINK THIS IS STUPID, PLEASE DO NOT CARRY ON READING* People say that 'you shouldn't let others mess with your cards', because you don't want the confuse the 'energies'. Personally, I have developed a weird concept of the cards getting more & more 'loyal' to you as you continue to use them. So if a deck DOES have a mind of it's own, would it learn to accept the owner? Like the owner? Would it even help the owner acheive things by using any means?- AHEM! Not like I'll be doing anything BAD or EVIL with them. Sometimes, it's just nice to know that there's a small force backing you up no matter what happens, eh?

Thirteen	14 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Emiac So if a deck DOES have a mind of it's own, would it learn to accept the owner? Like the owner? Would it even help the owner acheive things by using any means?- AHEM! I think you overestimate the power of the tarot. Think of it this way--you can have a really loyal paperboy...but he's still just a paperboy and there's not a whole lot he can do for you except deliver your paper nicely instead of obnoxiously. Tarot cards don't create the future. They only offer insights into how things are and how they're likely to go IF things stay the same. That's it. That's the job discription. And if they're really, really, really your friend, the one thing they're not going to do is let you do something "Evil" or bad because such things are usually stupid. Even if you're not going to get caught in this life, it's going to mess up your karma. Assuming the cards do know more than you about the future and the divine...they also know more about how you can screw up your soul, your life. They're not going to encourage you to do that. As to your questions: What heeds your call? Nothing heeds your call. The power is within you. The cards are the tool you use to access it. This isn't some magical tailsman that only YOU have. A LOT of people are excellent tarot readers. This is an ability that any person can have, if they want it. However, if you'd like to give that power a divine name, go right ahead. Is the Deck alive? That's debatable. Some folk will tell you they're just pictures on paper. Some will tell you stories of decks holding the energies of old owners. And some, like myself, feel that the decks do have "personalities." But that just means that they deliver their messages in different ways. Some subtle, some blunt. Like our paperboy. Does he leave the paper (message) gently on your front door or does it throw it "Bang!" against the door or does he leave it on the lawn and make you fetch it? If the paperboy (cards) are nice to you, and give the message right into your hands, then I recommend you never take advantage of them. You don't want to make them change their minds about being nice to you.

September Pixie	14 Apr 2004
oh thats an excellent description! I dont think any deck can hold any real evil.. its what you do with them that is. :)

Mojo	14 Apr 2004
People can be evil. Tarot decks can only be cardboard.

Le_Corsair	14 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Mojo People can be evil. Tarot decks can only be cardboard. How about aesthetically and conceptually evil, as in the Lord of the Rings Tarot? :D Besides, everyone knows that it's the Ouija Board that is evil, not tarot. :joke: Bob :THERM

dolphingirl	14 Apr 2004
Well personally I don't think tarot cards or ouija boards are evil. There objects, like my shoes, keys or car. (well ok my car is evil lol but that is another story ). SHoes get me where I am going (are they evil) Keys unlock doors that we can't get into another way (are they magical?) My car gets me where I want to go and I can't tell you exactly how it works (does it have powers then?) Tarot to me is more a reflection of the person who designed the artwork and how I can relate to that persons ideas and thoughts. If a person I didnt like or understand created a tarot deck I probably wouldn't "get along with it. But is that fault of the deck of cards? (no) It is more a question of understanding. Now where does tarot come from? Well who can really say. Is it all coincidence? Is there some higher power? Well I bet everyone feels differently on this subject. I do think that it could be detrimental (in some instances) to think that there is so good/evil power in the cards themselves cause that takes the power away from you and gives it to something else. I guess I would be afraid that if I believed in good/evil in the cards that when things didn't go the way I wanted them instead of taking responsibility for doing/not doing something I could push the blame on the cards and to me tarot is all about taking responsibility for oneself and ones own actions.

Emiac	14 Apr 2004
THIRTEEN- True, the future shown in tarot cards are not set, it is not that powerful. But I believe that there is some sort of thing out there that ties together everything in existance, which means I DO believe that all of fate is predestined. The reason why tarot cannot show you this is because, you will change your course of action after seeing the cards. And by the way people, I never said I was going to do something 'bad'- what made you think that?............. Karma & stuffs- so the cards do have a mind of their own? They help you? Are they like your kind of guardian then? But you say that the true source of knowledge comes from yourself. So all of the answers come from yourself? So if you wanted something real bad, it'll show you in the cards anyway wouldn't it? Like father like son, like owner like cards?- (Chuckle)

Ilithiya	14 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Emiac THIRTEEN- True, the future shown in tarot cards are not set, it is not that powerful. But I believe that there is some sort of thing out there that ties together everything in existance, which means I DO believe that all of fate is predestined. The reason why tarot cannot show you this is because, you will change your course of action after seeing the cards. Just the state of mind/level of concern that would lead one to consult the Tarot is enough to change the course of occurances. Now, if everything was predestined, then repeated readings on the same issue would come up with virtually the same cards being pulled, right? That doesn't happen with most people. Quote: Originally posted by Emiac And by the way people, I never said I was going to do something 'bad'- what made you think that?............. [/b] The two-watt minority, perhaps. Quote: Originally posted by Emiac Karma & stuffs- so the cards do have a mind of their own? They help you? Are they like your kind of guardian then? But you say that the true source of knowledge comes from yourself. So all of the answers come from yourself? [/b] I don't think they have minds of their own - they'd show intelligence then. I think of them more like "mirrors", showing a reflection of what I would know already should I spend the time or effort (not always available) to ponder the issue... and sometimes I think of them like eyes in the back of my head, showing me things that my brain processes but doesn't file as being important at that time. Illy

hedgecub	14 Apr 2004
A tarot deck is just a tool, like a hammer, or a car. Different decks might behave differently, just as different cars might look and drive differently. Ultimately, though, it all boils down to what you do with the tarot. I don't think tarot has a mind of its own; rather, it reflects your mind and thoughts.

Thirteen	14 Apr 2004
Ditto on what Ilithiya said regarding "predestination." If things are predestined then what's the point of consulting the tarot? There's no way to change things is there? So why bother? No. You consult the tarot to see what is and what might be so you CAN change what things can be changed. What can be changed is always what YOU decide to do in any given situation. What the tarot does is simply give you insights into those possibilities, and their likely outcomes. Most of us are short-sighted. We see things as we want them to be OR as we fear they might be! For example, we really like some guy/girl. They do something nice for us, and immediately we interpet that to mean, "They like me!"--because that's what we WANT. But do they? The tarot may tell us: "No, they were just being nice. And if you try to ask them out on a date, you'll be disappointed." See? Clearer eyes, better insight. But no predestination. You can STILL ask this guy/girl out, or not. And perhaps, knowing what you now know, you'll ask them in a way that might get you a "yes" answer rather than "no" (instead of asking them on a date, you ask them out for coffee, go slower, rather than push things as you originally planned). But the Tarot doesn't say, "You're going to ask them on a date, they will refuse," that's it. Predestined, no possiblity of doing anything else. Of what use is a deck of cards--or tea leaves or crystal balls or anything else that tells you those sorts of things? Most of the time, the tarot tells us what we're overlooking, what we're missing, or what we KNOW but won't admit. Like if we don't break up with that guy/girl, they're going to make our lives miserable. Hey, we KNOW this, but it's hard to admit it. Or that it's time to stand our ground with our bully boss--yeah, we KNOW that too, but we're afraid, so we make up excuses not to do it, right? Or, yes, we are drinking too much or eating too much and it's not good for our health. Or maybe, in the positive, we're scared that we're NEVER going to get that ph.d., but the tarot tells us, hang in there, it's closer than you think! (We knew that! But sometimes, the hardships and disappointments of life make us paranoid). SOMETIMES, yes, the Tarot can tell us what may cross our path that is, if you will, "Fate"--meaning an earthquake or an unexpected promotion or a tall, dark handsome stranger bumping into us and spilling their coffee. But the vast majority of the time--and take this from someone who's been reading 15 years now--the cards simply illuminate what querent can't see, doesn't want to see, or does see but doesn't know what to do about it. Quote: Originally posted by Emiac And by the way people, I never said I was going to do something 'bad'- what made you think that?............. I didn't think you were going to do anything bad, but I wanted to address the thought of doing something bad or evil (which you DO bring up) because someone else might think of doing something bad. Quote: so the cards do have a mind of their own? They help you? Are they like your kind of guardian then? But you say that the true source of knowledge comes from yourself. So all of the answers come from yourself? Obviously, you're going to get a lot of different answer to this question. But here's mine: The tarot is like the Hermit's Lantern. It illuminates the dark. It shows querents what they couldn't see, and reveals to them paths they may take to get where they're going--or where they might want to go. But all that it reveals was already there, in the dark. The cards didn't create the landscape. They merely revealed the landscape. You might say that when a person comes to a Tarot reader they're saying, "I was going somewhere. Now it's dark and I'm not sure if I'm still going there or not. Help me." And the reader opens up the lantern and shows them where they are. Some people don't like what the lantern shows them. They'll say, "Oh, I can't be THAT far off!" and go back to fumbing in the dark, prefering to imagine that they're on the right road. Prefering to believe, if you will, that that guy/girl likes them, or that they they're not drinking too much, or that they can stay with their abusive boyfriend...he'll get better, really he will! The wise will absorb what the light reveales, and make use of the knowledge to get back on track--whatever that track may be. Does that clarify?

Khatruman	14 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Emiac THIRTEEN- I believe that there is some sort of thing out there that ties together everything in existence, which means I DO believe that all of fate is predestined. The reason why tarot cannot show you this is because, you will change your course of action after seeing the cards. I also believe there is a connecting spirit amongst all living being. I see its evidence in how humans are connected in mythologies, folk stories, even in inventions (how people will simultaneously be working on the invention of the same sort of device, unbeknownst to each other). I even remember hearing about a scientific study done, where a group of people were given the New York Times crossword puzzle every day over a series of months. Their average skill levels on how well they did the puzzle were calculated. Then, unknown to the subjects, they were given the crossword puzzle from the day before, and they did measurably better. It seemed that, once the answers were out to the collective conscious, they became accessible to people who hadn't even done them. So, I do believe in a collective conscious, and that the Divine, to me, is not some supreme being up in the sky and separate, but that the Divine is that collective being in us all. That doesn't necessarily follow that I believe in total predestination. I believe that the future is unwritten. There are causes which lead to probable effects. That is where tarot's power lies in "telling the future." It sees the causes inside you, and reveals the most probable outcomes. Now, once you are able to see these probable outcomes, you still might have the power to change them. Mainly, I agree with what Thirteen has said, so I won't elaborate since she expressed it so eloquently. I want to elaborate on your further questions, but let me see what others have already said.

paradoxx	14 Apr 2004
The only time i have encountered an "evil" tarot is in some disturbing dreams. One of them just recently, but instead of laying out the cards on a table, me and the people i was with (they changed throughout the dream) were piling them up on the floor (which also changed form). The cards were not anything i have ever seen and it may have been more cards than a standard tarot deck, but the feelings of discomfort with the cards were very present. This imaginary deck makes the thoth look like a happy deck to say the least. I also see Tarot Cards as analagous as computers, read into that what you want because like computers, tarot is very fickle and receptive to who is using it. (ironically this is my 666th post, I was wondering what it would be. so appropriate.)

smleite	15 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Emiac So if a deck DOES have a mind of it's own, would it learn to accept the owner? Like the owner? Would it even help the owner acheive things by using any means? I believe the deck (or maybe the Tarot itself, Diana?) helps the “owner”, or the honest and devoted student, to understand the message within the spread. This I believe.

jmd	15 Apr 2004
To view the Tarot as simply a deck of cards-with-ink is a little like viewing Aesop's fables as the paper and ink which may be used to communicate the same. In a similar way that the millions of books are each more than the medium which presents their content, so too a Tarot deck may be viewed as the media through which some impulse manifests. Whatever we would like to call the power of what is behind the impulse is numerous... Each book may be assessed for its contents - and even judged as one discerns within it certain inclinations (for example, the difference between the Cloud of Unknowing and Hitler's Mein Kempf). A book isn't just the book as paper-and-ink: its contents may have enormous implications for the reader or hearer. And not simply because of whoever decides to read it out loud... it carries within its words impulses which have spiritual force. Likewise Tarot. Cardboard and ink may be the equivalent of a computer, and though the medium itself also shapes the forces flowing through, Tarot is not the medium it employs in its expression. So to return to the opening question posed by Emiac, 'when consulting the tarot, what is it that actually heeds our call?'... On that, we may not all agree - for myself, I view it as an opening of oneself to the spiritual forces beyond the Tarot. Hence also why I tend to personally avoid using particular decks.

Emiac	15 Apr 2004
Er, I'm not very good at reading big fat paragraphs full of such stroong meanings (14 after all). BUT, if the future is not predestined, then how do we explain DAY JA VOO? Or whatever ya call it. What about pyschics when they predict the future. Are they all bogus??? Let's think about it my way. You have a problem, this problem is already presdestined. The fact that you turn to a tarot reader is ALSO predestined. Destiny points you in the direction it wants you to go by USING the reader as a messenger. You think that you have been given the choice, but eventually, what you decide to do is already known. Doesn't that make sense? Tarot is part of your destiny. You can CHOOSE a million other things to do, but why do you make that ONE choice? Maybe what you CHOOSE is already set. It can't just be random, there has to be a special meaning, just like when you draw a tarot card out of a deck into a spread. *NEXT UP, A WHOLE LOAD OF DONKEY POO* ____________________________________________________ If this is not entirely true, then lets consider a complete different aspect of destiny. We are extemely lucky to be born in wherever we were born. But the people out there who live in the third world, who were born out weak, starving & illiterate, they didn't have a choice did they? No matter how hard they try, can they live up to the age of 70, like us? Can they fly half the way across the globe to come live with us? No. I't impossible. Isn't it then, that their fate is inescapable? That proves that, many things are already put down for us. (Am I making sense here?)

ncefafn	15 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Le_Corsair How about aesthetically and conceptually evil, as in the Lord of the Rings Tarot? :D ROFLOL!!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh: Kim

ncefafn	15 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by paradoxx I also see Tarot Cards as analagous as computers, read into that what you want because like computers, tarot is very fickle and receptive to who is using it. Definitely. GIGO. Kim

Thirteen	15 Apr 2004
There are things we can control, and things we can't. We can't control who are parents are, when we were born or where. We can't control where we are sent to school, usually, or into which economic bracket we find ourselves. We can't control the gifts or problems genetics give us. If you're in a wheelchair, you're in a wheelchair. We also have little control over natural talents we might have. Some of us are born to be great basketball players, some great pianists, some great mathematicians. But just because you're a great piano player doesn't mean you HAVE to play piano. What we CAN control is how we respond to these circumstances. We may have limited choices, but we do have choices. Look. You get picked on by a bully. With me? You can: 1) Tell your parents. 2) Fight the bully. 3) Cry. 4) Go zen and ignore the bully, no matter what he does. Those are CHOICES. And they're YOURS. You're not "destined" to do any of those things. All a psychic can tell you is WHAT will likely happen if you do one of those things: "Cry and the bully won't let up. He'll get worse," the psychic tells you. So now you KNOW what will happen IF you CRY. But if you DO something different--that won't happen. Something different will. See? Quote: Originally posted by Emiac What about pyschics when they predict the future. Are they all bogus??? And which psychics are you talking about? You're 14. How many psychics have you visited? What did they say? How many of them told you: "You are fated to be a janitor." ? If one did, would you feel that there was no way you could be ANYTHING ELSE? Would you stop studying, stop trying at school? Would you tell your parents, "What's the use? I'm going to end up a janitor."? Would you give up all your dreams of being whatever it is you really want to be? Quote: Let's think about it my way. You have a problem, this problem is already presdestined. Why is it predestined? Let's view it MY way. You go out with your friends. They want to stay out late, past when your parents say you HAVE to be home. You NOW have a CHOICE. Stay out, go home. You stay out. You NOW have a CHOICE. Lie to your parents about why you're late when you get home, or tell the truth. You CHOOSE to lie. Your parents find out you lied. You now have a problem. They don't trust you. They won't let you go out with your friends anymore. HOW was this predestined? Quote: You can CHOOSE a million other things to do, but why do you make that ONE choice? Because you wanted to stay out late, have fun, and you thought you could get away with it? To say, "I stayed out late because it was predestined!" is to deny responsibility for your own actions. How would you feel if someone broke into your house and murdered your family--would you say, "Don't send him to jail. It was predestined. He wasn't responsible for his choice or his actions." ?!? If you're starving and you have to steal bread to survive, that's one thing. But if you're 14 and you steal a candy bar just because.... How is that predestined? Quote: Isn't it then, that their fate is inescapable? Circumstances can make it hard to almost impossible to escape your lot in life. But that doesn't mean anything is "predestined." Opportunities turn up. Prisoners get chances to escape. If they take that chance, they change their future. If they don't, the present stays the same, and the future given that present stays the same as well.

smleite	15 Apr 2004
Emiac, I’ve always tended to see that “predestination” question as a circular one – a mental trick, do you understand? If a Tarot spread says you will be travelling soon, just don’t go… dare to test something called free choice. I believe that every one of us has absolute free choice, but most of the times we choose not to consider it – we are so afraid of it! Tarot shows us the most probable scenario for our future, taking into account the options we have already made and the way we are leading our life so far. Tarot can’t predict one thing: our decision to act consciously and lead the events (sometimes even create them), instead of being lead by them. This is not predictable, by Tarot or by any means of divination, simply because the result of this kind of attitude is not ”written” anywhere. Free choice is really “free” – and the universe respects it. Think about The Lovers; in its higher meaning, this card talks to me about accepting responsibility for our own choices and understanding “the big picture”, including what influences us (our past, etc), when we are choosing. Consciousness.

Jeanette	15 Apr 2004
This is such an intriguiging conversation! I do believe everybody has free will to make choices (when there are choices in life). I also believe in synchronicity, that certain events/people/situations happen in life at a certain time for a certain reason. Again, it is up to the individual to take advantage of the opportunities and challenges they meet. But, my personal belief is that there is a God/Goddess, and that there are angels and we all are given a guardian angel. The universe isn't just "by chance." As for the tarot, while in the material realm it is just paper and ink; as is the Bible, Koran, Torah, and many other influential works of paper and ink - these works can influence a person in a profound way on many levels (spiritually, artistically, intellectually, etc.). And as for the tarot (or anything) being inherently evil, or good for that matter, I guess there are those folks that can attribute "personalities" to just about any inanimate thing they have an intimate relationship with. I think it's human nature to see human qualities in objects that aren't really "alive," but that we interact with. The concept of our lives being "predestined" is a compelling, thought-provoking issue that has been debated since the beginning of time, I think! Just my 2 cents.....

raeanne	15 Apr 2004
Hi all, I believe in free will, not predestination. I also believe in something much grander than any of us; call it God, spirit, higher self, Akashic records, or whatever. That grander power knows everything about everything. Just because this power knows our future doesn’t mean we don’t have free will. When my two boys were little I knew them well enough to know that if I put a cookie and a carrot on the table, I knew which child would choose which object. Just because I knew what was going to happen, did that mean I had control over their action and predetermined their future? No, they still had free will and could have picked something out of the ordinary and fooled me. But, I’m not god. I believe the higher power knows us well enough to know what we will do in any given situation, even the times when we will turn left instead of right. Tarot is a tool that helps us use our god given mind to think about different options and therefore understand the situation better so we can see more clearly. This is just my way of looking at things and I don't think anyone else is wrong if they see it differently. I enjoy hearing about different ways of viewing things; it helps me grow.

XLCR	15 Apr 2004
lol...Mojo

Emiac	15 Apr 2004
HEY HEY HEY!!! To Thirteen- Ok lets put an end to this. You're obviously older (I think), & a lot more wiser than me. But you will never be me (you wouldn't want to be), you will never know my way of thinking, so you will never fully understand my concept. My literature is not good enough to express all of my ideas about life etc. Call me freakin stubborn- BUT I'LL STICK BY MY OWN THOUGHTS. When I grow older, and find a new way of explaining this- YOU'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO HEAR MY LECTURE- HO HO HO!!! Afterword- Maybe my use of the word PREDESTINED caused the misunderstanding, but it's understandable, no one wants to hear that thier life is being 'Controlled'. *how come you don't reveal your age, are you a woman?

Dragons_Wing	15 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by raeanne Just because this power knows our future doesn’t mean we don’t have free will. When my two boys were little I knew them well enough to know that if I put a cookie and a carrot on the table, I knew which child would choose which object. Just because I knew what was going to happen, did that mean I had control over their action and predetermined their future? No, they still had free will and could have picked something out of the ordinary and fooled me. . that is one of the best discriptions of a higher beings interactions w/ free will. :D

twilight_reader	15 Apr 2004
[snip] Call me freakin stubborn- BUT I'LL STICK BY MY OWN THOUGHTS [snip] This is great! You sound like a very bright 14 year old. I find it very respectable that you stick to your guns and think for yourself, even if I don't agree. Don't let someone else's beliefs or thoughts dictate your own. ~Think for yourself - Question authority~TL

contrascarpe	15 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by twilight_reader [snip] Call me freakin stubborn- BUT I'LL STICK BY MY OWN THOUGHTS [snip] This is great! You sound like a very bright 14 year old. I find it very respectable that you stick to your guns and think for yourself, even if I don't agree. Don't let someone else's beliefs or thoughts dictate your own. ~Think for yourself - Question authority~TL I think it's great as well that someone so young is willing to think for themselves ....... however, by the same token, if he doesn't want to know what Thirteen, or anyone else, thinks, don't ask the question in the first place. My two cents - I am glad this discussion came up because I know personally I use the word "fate" too often. I firmly believe we are creators of our own destiny. If our lives were completely ruled by fate, then what's the use. Also, I first came in contact with Tarot in my early teens and one of the first things taught to me was to always make sure the querent knows that she/he has the will to change events in one's lives. I feel it is very dangerous to tell someone that the outcome is inevitable.

Thirteen	15 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Emiac Call me freakin stubborn- BUT I'LL STICK BY MY OWN THOUGHTS. Fine by me. Fine by everyone here who's sticking by their own thoughts as well...in case you didn't notice ;) I guess we're all freakin' stubborn. But then, these things are a matter of belief. I can't prove I'm right and neither can you. Neither can anyone else. We can only discuss it. If, however, you're going to proclaim your beliefs out-loud, someone's going to challenge them. And they should be challenged. You don't like it when you ask you're parents "Why" and they answer, "Because we said so!" And people don't like it when you proclaim yourself to be right "Because I know in my heart it's true!" Which is why you should always be clear in your own head what you believe and why. Inspect your ideas--and insist that others inspect theirs as well. It's not just good for friendly debate--and that's all this is, friendly debate--it's also good for telling you who you are and what you want in life. That's why I keep coming here. Because the folk on these forums, always sharp and thoughtful, make me think and re-think what I think. Keeps the mind alive, and the spirit strong.

firemaiden	15 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by Emiac *how come you don't reveal your age, are you a woman? What kind of question is this, Emiac?

MeeWah	15 Apr 2004
Emiac: As there is no means for off-forum contact, this will have to do. Thirteen & others have been gracious in responding in good faith to your thread. References to personal information such as age or gender have no place in this discussion; also irrelevant. ~ MeeWah, Moderator

Emiac	16 Apr 2004
Whoops! Sorry...

Esther	17 Apr 2004
I believe in destiny, but only to a certain extent. I believe that if something is truly meant to be, there will be plenty of paths and opportunities for it to happen. But I also belive that someone can, if they're smart enough and determined enough, recognize when they're on a path they don't want to be on and take a detour, or even hide from their 'destiny'. For instance, a prince is destined, by earthly, human standards, to become king of his country. But it's not guarrenteed. He could decide to run off and change his identity. He could disgrace his family and be disowned. He could die before he has a chance to become king. While I do believe in a higher power, I believe that Tarot cards a mere tool to help us tap into our own inner power. The cards themselves aren't evil. I think there's very little that is actually 'evil' in itself. It's humans that corrupt things. And really, I don't think you could do much 'evil' with Tarot cards.

crystal cove	17 Apr 2004
Quote: Originally posted by raeanne Just because this power knows our future doesn’t mean we don’t have free will. When my two boys were little I knew them well enough to know that if I put a cookie and a carrot on the table, I knew which child would choose which object. Just because I knew what was going to happen, did that mean I had control over their action and predetermined their future? No, they still had free will and could have picked something out of the ordinary and fooled me. LMAO! If there is nothing else in this world to let us know that when we think we know it all, we don't, our own children will!

Dark_angel	17 Apr 2004
I don't know how many people will 'get' this, but Raeanne's story made me think "No child's like Max Wilde". :D Perhaps to a degree our paths are predetermined, but by our own actions - for example, if I do not study for an exam, and go into it knowing nothing, my path is pretty clear - there is a very good chance I will fail the exam. Every aspect of this path would have been my own choice, but there is a point of no return. I am a strong believer in people making their own paths, and for me this is where the various forms of fortune telling can help, by explaining to people where their current paths will likely lead. Then people can exercise their free will before they reach their point of no return, the point from which their path is predetermined.

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