new tarot method

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 18 Jun 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

cartarum	18 Jun 2004
this a great technique of mine that i use in a group of people, or just when i need a little information. simply shuffle it up, and occasionally read the card at the botton of the deck. this trick mainly works for psychics or old card readers if you need clarification, then perform waites celtic cross off the bottom cards of the deck. using the bottom card as a signifactor. this will only work if the meanings of the cards are burned into your mind, so its not for beginners. enjoy!

Luminessence	18 Jun 2004
Funny... The other night, I dreamed that somebody was giving me a tarot reading kind of like this - she was giving the reading while shuffling the cards, instead of laying them out first. (Of course, this wasn't a very pleasant dream, since the person giving me the reading was an unfriendly old woman who seemed both bored and condescending, and she used my cards to read with, without even asking if she could... But I still find it interesting that the same reading method showed up :))

Melissa`	18 Jun 2004
Just curious, why does it only mainly work with psychics or older readers? ~ Melissa

Sillanza	19 Jun 2004
I don't get how it's a trick ... I'd say it sounds like another interesting method for changing things up a bit.

Jeanette	19 Jun 2004
Do you mean "old" card readers as someone who has been reading for a very long time and has experience, or "old" in years, age-wise? Is that why it's not for beginners, or do you think the celtic cross in general isn't for beginners? Just curious :)

cartarum	21 Jun 2004
psychics are more intune with their instincts and intuition. that is the key ingrediant for reading correctly. "old" card readers are the readers that have been reading for along time. they know the cards instinctively, and are more apt to understand the symbolic language. this technique i call the da'ath technique. after a yes or no spread that described the bottom card as the da'ath card by the way.. it is my personal opinion that if one cannot read waites celtic cross, then one should use the i ching instead of tarot. true, it is one of the bit... hardest spreads to read, but it is the greatest test of ones potential.

magpie9	21 Jun 2004
Quote: Originally posted by cartarum by the way.. it is my personal opinion that if one cannot read waites celtic cross, then one should use the i ching instead of tarot. true, it is one of the bit... hardest spreads to read, but it is the greatest test of ones potential. [/b] Cartarum You have a perfect right to your personal opinion of course. However, it is not neccessarily universal wisdom, or even neccessarily true for anyone but yourself. I am what you term an "old" reader (44 years and counting) and I disagree completely with your opinion of the Celtic Cross. The only "test" the CC administers is of ones patience. I read with it for years, and have found many other spreads that do a much better job of almost anything than it does. Many of them can be found on the spreads forum here. I don't think it's fair of you to to re-direct readers to the I Ching if the Celtic Cross is not a good spread for them, especially when they're beginners. I certainly hope that no beginners have read your post and taken it as a Universal truth. Everyone walks before they can run, in tarot as in any other human endevor.

lunakasha	21 Jun 2004
Quote: Originally posted by cartarum it is my personal opinion that if one cannot read waites celtic cross, then one should use the i ching instead of tarot. true, it is one of the bit... hardest spreads to read, but it is the greatest test of ones potential. Hi cartarum! I really liked your idea of reading the bottom card, for additional information in the reading, and/or as a significator to reflect the querent...in fact, I was just in the middle of a reading and decided to do just that....I pulled the Earth card (using the Madame Endora oracle cards)....its message is "Utilize logic, reason and common sense." Also interesting as a significator since I am an Earth sign! :) I would say that I don't necessarily agree that one needs to stick with the Celtic Cross spread in order to read tarot, however. Although I have no problem with the CC, I personally do not use it very often...instead I usually create my own spreads to suit a particular reading. I think that there are so many spreads to choose from, and the reader should work with whichever spread(s) he or she feels comfortable with....including but not limited to the Celtic Cross. :) Luna

cartarum	23 Jun 2004
correct, it is my personal opinion, and it probably is wrong to many but myself. i apologize for trying to redirect the youth to conform with my opinions. sometimes, i get so passionate, i overlook the little things, and do not contemplate the consequences of my actions; something i am trying to remedy. once again, i am sorry. thanks for the seven of swords reversed. thankyou magpie9.

TemperanceAngel	23 Jun 2004
cartarum I always get my client to split the deck in three and choose one of the stacks and then I always look under the other two stacks at the bottom card and you are right it is so insightful! I often think it's what is hidden or unseen or influences that we don't know about yet or that they haven't mentioned. I also find that when I talk about it immediately before putting the spread down my client immediately trusts me because the under cards are always right. Eg: Are you thinking of moving house? Looking for a new job? That way you don't have to wade through for 5 mins + to gain their confidence. I also use it to show my client the cards sometimes to confirm something we have talked or positive confirmation. A 'look, see these cards!' never goes astray to confirm what you are saying for your client and it reassures them :)

cartarum	23 Jun 2004
thats so true, temperance angel. one time when one of my friends was shuffleing the cards, she suddenly stopped, and said she forgot what she was going to ask. i saw the card on the bottom, it was the knight of pentacles reversed! when i was in a room with a group of people, who were discussing their expereinces. i saw the five of wands. then i saw justice reversed, and one of them jumped up and started yelling at another. then an orderly came in and took him away. i saw the king of swords reversed. this is one of the most intuitional ways to read cards. its beautifull, really. thats why i had to explain my technique on the forum. your technique is great too. wonderfull. thanks.

magpie9	23 Jun 2004
Hi Cartaum, Thank you for the very nice (and un-needed) apology. I know what it is to be passionate in my beliefs, and to simply forget how others may take it. There is so much room in Tarot for all of us, all our aproaches, all our decks.....and our beliefs. I jumped in unthinkingly to defend beginners when perhaps no defense was needed. I certainly diddn't need to be so snippy. I have had a terrible toothache for the last few days, and have Oral Surgery on the horizen soon. (O please soon...) So I'm not as mellow right now as I like to think I am. :( I too use that bottom card as a source of more information, validation, and so that the client can relax and see what's going on. I think it's a really good technique :) Magpie9

cartarum	23 Jun 2004
hey, magpie9! try putting toothpaste on the affected area, it kinda numbs the spot, and soothes it a little.

tao51	30 Jun 2004
I have used the bottom card before when I need further clarification. I used the I Ching before I found the Tarot Cards. I Ching can be challenging in itself. The only spread that I knew in the beginning was the Celtic Cross. Then I would pull the bottom card as the significator or the guide. Thank you for your thread, I did find your explanation invigorating!--Tao

cartarum	02 Jul 2004
i am glad you guys like it. no problem.

tao51	02 Jul 2004
I think your post helped to help people to be brave enough to explore variations. --Tao

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