The card drawn is: Five of Pentacles
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 19 Aug 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Fulgour |
19 Aug 2004 |
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from Fulgour's journal:
The card drawn is: Five of Pentacles
Keywords/theme: "physical temptations, tangible allurements"
My interpretation: Pentacles signify practical stability and the
tangible material physical world. Five is the number of temptation,
restlessly changing and rebellious, adventurous and expansive.
Mercury in Taurus is the astrological association, representing
very formal and logical thinking, endurance and patience in
matters of the intellect, and a sense of form and deliberation overall.
The suit of Pentacles is especially suited to Five, for this symbol may
be said to actually illustrate Spirit in Earth, the growth and evolution
of 4's square solidity, struggling toward a higher plane.
And so, in answer to your question about...
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| Lianne |
22 Aug 2004 |
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5 of Penatcles has remained a very constant card in terms of meaning for me over the years. I have found it to be all about deprivation. Not just money, but emotional too. It's very common to see this card when someone has abruptly cut off ties with someone else, and the person left standing ends up feeling very emotionally deprived and isolated. I have seen this for health problems too, and for finances.
I often read suing reversals, and when this comes up reversed, I find the above meanings remain constant, except that it is sporadic. There may be reconciliations or increased income, etc, but then the walls come crashing down again.
Just my thoughts.
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| queenofcups333 |
22 Aug 2004 |
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The Five of Pentacles
Keyphrase: The Power of Anxiety
Fives - Change through disruption. Transient energy.
Mercury - Represents communication, verbal language being only one dimension.
Taurus - The form maker, the builder. "I have".
Worry on a material level. Whilever we are worried about what we did or what we could do we are not focusing on what we are doing. Live in the now.
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| MeeWah |
22 Aug 2004 |
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Originally posted by Fulgour
from Fulgour's journal:
...Five is the number of temptation, restlessly changing and rebellious, adventurous and expansive...
...Mercury in Taurus is the astrological association, representing
very formal and logical thinking, endurance and patience in
matters of the intellect, and a sense of form and deliberation overall...
...The suit of Pentacles is especially suited to Five, for this symbol may be said to actually illustrate Spirit in Earth, the growth and evolution of 4's square solidity, struggling toward a higher plane.
And so, in answer to your question about...
5 the number of change through conflict or strife, from which one may learn. Thus, fitting as the number of Man in the Earth; or as ye expressed it, "Spirit in Earth". Also the number of freedom, as by the struggles to define & refine, Man may achieve a higher understanding & in the process, free the self from the perceived limitations.
Interesting it represents Mercury in Taurus, which seems to refer to perception/understanding in & of the material realm.
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| MeeWah |
22 Aug 2004 |
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Additionally, it references the body-mind-spirit connection; the inter-relationships of the levels of being which influence conditions.
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| tmgrl2 |
22 Aug 2004 |
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Since I was introduced to Tarot with RWS, this card always says to me...
"Don't these people reaize help is there, just around the corner?
Pain and suffering are optional. We tell ourselves a story and then make ourselves upset with the story we have created."
The help I see that the passersby in the RWS don't notice, is spiritual help represented by the stained glass window.
The other meaning that often comes forward which is similar to what I said above is that Healing is really of the Spirit.
When I pray, I don't often pray, for example, that my husband be "cured." He gets sicker and sicker physically...all systems are breaking down. I pray that he maintains his "spiritual" well-being, his positive attitude, his sense of gratitude. I pray that he has the hope that he can maintain these qualities of spirit no matter how physically sick he becomes.
Everyone has basically said this so far. These are just my words as I talk about the card.
Of course, that is what I wish for me and what I often counsel people I work with to think on: That healing isn't about getting physically better or about having material things. They help. They are wonderful to have. But sometimes, that isn't an option in life and one's focus must shift to mental and spiritual aspects as the only solution for well-being. Even very sick people can be inspirations to others, thereby serving a full purpose with the fact that they are still living. The attitude and spirit with which one faces adversity, gives others hope that they too can go through difficult trials in life and be "ok."
So, this card is rarely a "negative" card when I read it.
That's my main take on Five of Pentacles.
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| Ace |
23 Aug 2004 |
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Originally posted by Lianne
5 of Penatcles has remained a very constant card in terms of meaning for me over the years. I have found it to be all about deprivation. Not just money, but emotional too. It's very common to see this card when someone has abruptly cut off ties with someone else, and the person left standing ends up feeling very emotionally deprived and isolated. I have seen this for health problems too, and for finances.
I often read suing reversals, and when this comes up reversed, I find the above meanings remain constant, except that it is sporadic. There may be reconciliations or increased income, etc, but then the walls come crashing down again.
Just my thoughts.
I usually read the reversed meaning as much more hopeful but I see what you mean about the upright. I see it as depression, not willing to ask for needed help. It can be a social message, about being frozen out by society but also freezing yourself out, a snobbery that eventually makes you very lonely and ill. Like in Hey, Jude: only a fool plays it cool by making his world a little cooler.
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| MeeWah |
25 Aug 2004 |
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Agree with Liane's take of deprivation materially or emotionally; & that it can relate to health.
Also can see Tmgrl2's understanding of illness as being inspirational towards a less mundane focus.
Ace makes a thoughtful & insightful point about 5 of Pentacles' as a social message; a type of snobbery that runs both ways for those who think they have & those who think they have not.
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| Little Baron |
25 Aug 2004 |
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Terri, I found your take on this card very inspiring. Thank you.
Yaboot
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| tmgrl2 |
26 Aug 2004 |
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Originally posted by Yaboot001
Terri, I found your take on this card very inspiring. Thank you.
Yaboot
Thank you, Yaboot. I do see that some people I read ARE the ones that are "in pain, " so in that it is a card of suffering, but my message is more about how to deal with it and about where they can "look" to see the light.
terri
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| isthmus nekoi |
26 Aug 2004 |
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Mercury is light and agile and desires changes - he rules the mutable signs Gemini and Virgo, mutable symbolizing the end of one season and the shift to the next.
Taurus is a fixed sign, and earth. Solid, stubborn, methodical and stable. While these aren't bad qualities in itself, Mercury leaving fiery headstrong Aries will slooooooow right down in Taurus. Taurus likes to possess, can't let go.
Back to the 5 of pentacles - this astrological configuration I would think, illustrates the idea of being stuck, or as Crowley calls it, "worry", esp in terms of material possessions. 4 of pents have built it all up, consolidated control and order. 5 problematizes that attitude.
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| mehndigirl |
26 Aug 2004 |
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This is the first card I was really able to absorb when I first began to study tarot. Mostly, I see it like Lianne. When I was new to tarot I had just left home for colege. I was living alone, (off campus even) dealing with supporting myself for the first time, not speaking much to my family, and really struggling emotionally and financially. This card was in EVERY spread I did for myself for a YEAR. After I got a roomate, mended fences with my family, and actually got involved with the university communtiy, I finally got it. Now that card hardly ever shows up when I read myself. Not that I'm never "deprived" but like tmgrl2 mentioned, now I know to seek help and community, so it doesn't come to a "5 of pentacles sittuation."
mehndigirl
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| lionette |
29 Aug 2004 |
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Originally posted by isthmus nekoi
Mercury is light and agile and desires changes - he rules the mutable signs Gemini and Virgo, mutable symbolizing the end of one season and the shift to the next.
Taurus is a fixed sign, and earth. Solid, stubborn, methodical and stable. While these aren't bad qualities in itself, Mercury leaving fiery headstrong Aries will slooooooow right down in Taurus. Taurus likes to possess, can't let go.
Back to the 5 of pentacles - this astrological configuration I would think, illustrates the idea of being stuck, or as Crowley calls it, "worry", esp in terms of material possessions. 4 of pents have built it all up, consolidated control and order. 5 problematizes that attitude.
Thanks! This really helps my understanding of the 5 of Pents. So often it's come up in a position that didn't seem to make sense, but now it's clear.
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| Fulgour |
30 Aug 2004 |
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a few words about
Pentacles
by Sharynne NicMacha
Imagine the perfect apple, ripe and bursting with life. Sliced in half, it reveals a beautiful five-point symmetry ~ a star formed by the seeds inside. In fact, each of these five seeds may be seen to contain a symbolism of its own mirroring the spiritual aspects of this universal symbol: idea, sustenance, life, secret knowledge and the hidden mysteries within the earth. Why has this beautiful and potent emblem, the five-pointed star or pentagram, become such a misunderstood and stigmatized symbol in these times of re-emerging enlightenment?
and don't forget
Johnny Appleseed Chapman 1774-1845
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| Diana |
30 Aug 2004 |
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Obviously, as I am me, I don't see the five of Pentacles they way that most people see them (that Charles Dickens sob-story picture from the RWCS deck).
Here is my take on it. Without any sob-story Oracle pictures in mind.
5 is the number of Man.
Man has to adapt constantly to his surroundings which are constantly changing. Man evolves constantly.
The Earth is a very solid element. The 5 gets impatient in this element, because 5s do enjoy a bit of movement - 5s are often even rebellious.
So here are five coins stuck in the earth when all they want to do is to get and and go. So what's wrong with learning patience? What's wrong with taking things slowly for a change?
Take it easy, this card tells me. Take it easy. If you force things to happen before they are ready, then you're going to mess everything up.
Relax Max!!!
Cool Raoul!!
(Relaxing and not forcing things doesn't mean sitting and WAITING for things to happen. It just means not running faster than one's shadow).
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| Diana |
30 Aug 2004 |
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Delete please! (Double post - Aeclectic was doing a 5 of Coins on me - taking its time so I thought it hadn't registered my post.)
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| tmgrl2 |
30 Aug 2004 |
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LWB Morgan-Greer (I usually don't like LWB interpretations), but for 5 Pentacles: Spiritual warmth comforts those suffering financial and spiritual hardships. I agree with Diana, sometimes, we have to acknowledge a difficult time and be patient as we "walk" through it. I like the idea in the RWS of the people
"walking" through a storm past the stained glass window.
terri
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| Trogon |
31 Aug 2004 |
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Wow... all very excellent thoughts on the 5 of Coins. Fulgour, I do like your rather more positve take on this card than what I usually consider for it. I am curious as to which deck it was that you drew this card from?
Anyway, having started with the RWS deck and using that and RWS clones and the Thoth and a couple of it's clones, this card is more about worry, sorrow, perhaps pain or financial hardships. There may be a feeling of loneliness or depression based in these harships as well. On a more positive note, as was already mentioned, there is help right around the corner. Also, the people shown in the RWS are being brought together... helping one another. Then too, there are positive lessons to be learned by hardships... about what is most important to a person's soul... lessons about family and friends who can be counted upon, and those who can't. Then too... those folks that are inside can be very grateful for what they have... they're warm and happy and they're not out in that storm... do they know this? I'm sure they would be concerned about the folks outside, if they looked out and saw them... perhaps they will.
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| Fulgour |
03 Sep 2004 |
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Originally posted by Trogon
I am curious as to which deck it was
that you drew this card from? of 1909 is my reading deck.
Since I first handled these cards ('69) they have spoken to me
with an indescribably resonant and almost whispered intimacy.
I wish more people at least occasionally dropped the chauvinistic
"Rider-Waite" designation. An hundred consistent years of pure
inspiration deserve the honour of a singular creative appellation.
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| Fulgour |
04 Sep 2004 |
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"After our usual, glum and stuffy meeting tonight, some of us gathered on the sidewalk outside the hall. Across the street there was a church window all brightly lit from within, while the February weather did its best to encourage us to the nearest pub for some mulled claret. Mr. Loomis was by my side (Yeat's friend, Ezra) so I nudged him so he'd notice two of the most forlorn beggars you might ever sorrow to behold, scuttling by across the way right below that so beatific window. "Poor souls," I said, "and yet so radiant ~ like petals on a wet black bough." All dreamlike, he intoned, "merely apparitions." I wanted to ask him if he had picked up his Continental accent back in Iowa with his goatee, but he'd turned away to chatter with sad old silly Arthur."
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