High Priestess ~ Judgement

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 29 Sep 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

ros	29 Sep 2004
Does this make sense??? ( please be kind, LOL) Would the High Priestess be looked at in this way ~ secrets or a sense of knowing but not understanding that which has not been spoken about. Judgement ~ secrets and knowledge being verbalized to bring success. The High Priestess has knowledge but has not got it all together. When we get to Judgement, the good, bad or indifference is discussed to bring the release and to move on. Justice would step in to settle thoughts. What we hold inside, we have enough confidence to speak our truth. We would work through the rest of it untill we get to Judgement. Bringing inner to outer to balance. Voicing our knowledge if it is right or wrong. High Priestess~ knowing Justice~ confidence Judgement~ understanding These cards are all 2's and just trying to connect them somehow.

blackroseivy	29 Sep 2004
I would like to see where Temperance falls in here; I see it trined between Justice & The Star.

ros	29 Sep 2004
Justice works more with thoughts. Temperance balances thoughts and energy. The energy is giving you more positive reinforcement to make it to Judgement! I don't know, I'm trying to learn.

Francesca	30 Sep 2004
Quote: Originally posted by ros Does this make sense??? ( please be kind, LOL) Would the High Priestess be looked at in this way ~ secrets or a sense of knowing but not understanding that which has not been spoken about. Judgement ~ secrets and knowledge being verbalized to bring success. The High Priestess has knowledge but has not got it all together. When we get to Judgement, the good, bad or indifference is discussed to bring the release and to move on. I think that the HPs has it all together, she's just quiet. She represents the stuff you don't know you know yet, or the wisdom you aren't ready to really access yet. I think with Judgement, everything has been discussed, processed, broken down and built back up and now is the release--in a major way. The Judgement is a brand new world. It's the breaking out of the chains of the Devil. Years ago when I was in college I was in a long, major depression, and one day after a trip to see a high school friend, that was the end of it. It was over! That's what the Judgement card is like. Now when I get the Justice card, I know it's time to be honest at all costs (and sometimes the costs are high). That kind of brutal honesty can clear away a lot of comfortable illusions and pleasant lies and ruses, and when its over, you have the Judgement card. I think that the keywords you've given those cards are not enough. Those cards are too complex for a single word. Francesca High Priestess~ knowing Justice~ confidence Judgement~ understanding These cards are all 2's and just trying to connect them somehow. [/b][/quote]

Fulgour	30 Sep 2004
Poetically speaking, I would say The High Priestess signifies the unconscious reconciliation of memories, and Judgement represents the search for answers. The High Priestess: Unity of Life Judgement: Optimism and Growth *

blackroseivy	02 Oct 2004
I really like that, Fulgour! - It's so poetic!

Seed Crystal	08 Oct 2004
I think the High Priestess represents knowledge secret by its nature; Mysteries and secrets which can endlessly be talked about without compromise, because by their nature they are truths too big for words, realities which can be experienced and even understood but not articulated. Truth bigger than all knowledge, any individual, any or all logic. I think Justice represents responsibility being realized, ready or not; dispassionate truth beyond biases and perceptions; guilt and innocence and a hard light on the soul. We have the ability and responsibility to see patterns; to see or create meaning; to see implications and results and causes; Justice is our unavoidable summary judgement of those things.

jmd	09 Oct 2004
From a numerical perspective, I see a clear and distinct difference between II and XX, and do not personally consider that the latter (XX - 20) 'collapses' into the former (II - 2). Nonetheless, I also consider that there are interconnections which may be made and seen between any and every set of two cards - in fact, 231 possible pairs of Atouts (Major Arcana) alone. One of these is between II the Papess and XX Judgement. An aspect of II the Papess is her quiet reflective quality, striving for insight into a situation, allowing a reflective meditative aspect to permit the arising of seeing things as they are. This, to my mind, allows for guidance from what is at times referred to as the angelic realm to descend and guide. In Judgement, it is more a case of far more conscious awakening from the slumbering to the spiritual realms which is rendered asunder. The clarion call blasts one awake. For the vast majority, this can only be following a long and protracted work on a journey which may have taken us to myriad realms - perhaps for some, the trumpet is sounded gracefully earlier. One of the contrasts between these two Atouts is then that whereas there is an inner silence and inner quality in II the Papess, it is a return to the outer realm, a return to the awakefulness of the eternal spiritual within one's own environment, which is suggested by XX Judgement. On the level of similarity between the two Atouts is the suggested direction of initiation.

Fulgour	09 Oct 2004
The system of attributions that I use connects these cards in a very interesting way. Follow along and have some fun: The High Priestess is the Moon (the planet or satellite) and Judgement is Jupiter (the planet). The Moon is in rulership in the sign of Cancer, and... Jupiter is exalted in that same very same sign, Cancer. Now, if you're still with me, the card for Justice to me corresponds with the sign of Cancer: Justice is Cancer. So Judgement is exalted in Justice where The High Priestess rules! (Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.)

jmd	09 Oct 2004
Another relation one may make of the sequence (II Papess - VIII Justice - XX Judgement) is also mathematical: 2 (+ 1x6) → 8 (+ 2x6) → 20 ie, the distance between Justice and Judgement is twice as long as the distance between the Papess and Justice.

Fulgour	09 Oct 2004
2 (+ 1x6) → 8 (+ 2x6) → 20 2 + 2 = 4 and 4 + 4 = 8 4 (+ 3x6) → 22 *

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