tarot and therapy

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 04 Sep 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.

rosyelf	04 Sep 2004
Dear Everyone, I am a holistic therapist and would like at some time in the future to incorporate Tarot cards into some treatments (only if it seems appropriate AND the client is open to this, of course.) Has anyone had experience of this, either as therapist or client ? I am not a counsellor, but I envisage a card or two could be a way of opening up various issues. I'd make it clear that this is about empowerment, not fortune-telling. And perhaps have a Future Focus element-suggested in another thread-for the client to be going on their way with. any thoughts, suggestions gratefully received, Rosyelf

primaryreality	04 Sep 2004
I'm not a therapist or counselor, but I recently came across an interesting book that is about just this issue of incorporating tarot as a healing tool in therapy; you might find it useful. It is "Messages From The Archetypes: Using Tarot For Healing And Spiritual Growth," by Tony Gilbert. I think it makes perfect sense; I've had many years of therapy, and have only recently begun to learn and explore tarot (not in therapy, but on my own), but I can see it integrating wonderfully and being a very rich tool for therapeutic use, for anyone who is open to it.

rosyelf	04 Sep 2004
Thank you, primary reality, when I click off here I'll go straight to Amazon and see if they have that book. I'm delighted and encouraged to hear that you are gaining benefits from Tarot. I was in psychotherapy too, and though it clearly has its benefits (I'd be dead now, otherwise), I do sometimes feel it's all word, words, words. Images are great, too ! And sometimes embody/suggest stuff that words might not. best wishes, rosyelf

WooMonkey	04 Sep 2004
Hi Rosyelf, I've used exercises from Greer's Tarot for Yourself, and Braden's Tarot for Self Discovery with clients. Some of them have auditory processing problems, and a visual cue really helps. Tarot for Self Discovery organizes it's exercises by level of complexity, so you can easily find one that's right for the person you're working with. Sometimes if a client just needs a little nudge you can have them draw a card, and ask "does this remind you of anything?". I commend you in your efforts--you will do more for your clients with this than any amount of "fortune-telling"! :)

Diana	04 Sep 2004
I combine Tarot with Bach Flower Therapy for those of my clients who like it. (Actually, most of my clients come to me because I combine the two.) It aids in making a more thorough diagnosis and therefore the healing is quickened. Sometimes they ask me at the end of the session: "Can't you just tell me something about my relationship/if I will get the job I've applied for/if the money I'm waiting for will come in." I usually comply and they are happy also to have some fortune-telling. :)

Anna	04 Sep 2004
Hi Roseyelf :) This is a question I have been pondering for about 3 years! I have just become qualified as a counsellor and although I was very open about my tarot reading throughout my training, I was met with looks ranging from horror to intrigue from my tutors and fellow students! There was a very sharp intake of breath from the whole group when I raised the possibility of combining the two :D Counselling certainly informs my tarot readings. It informs the way that I give the messages that I am picking up from the cards; the words that I use, the questions that I ask, the way that I might challenge or suggest another way of seeing things. I like my readings to be a two way process, my counselling definitely helps me to get underneath the surface of what my querent is saying to me, and also helps me to feel confident about being with a querent in distress. I like my querents to feel that I have really listened. Not just to the cards, but to what they are saying. For it to be a healing experience. But can tarot inform my counselling? This is were I am stuck. Because it could be argued that the two things are opposite. With tarot, I do the majority of the talking; I give guidance, I raise the issues. But with counselling, the client does most of the talking, all the material comes from them, the client is helped to find their own solutions. My training group would be horrified to think of my sitting down with a client in a counselling setting and pulling out tarot cards! Although, I learned an integrative model of counselling, and I sometimes take out things like paint and colouring pencils and stones or even a visualisation and use them within sessions. They would see tarot as crossing the line because they would believe that I was using the cards to tell me about the problem and not listening to the client. But if I'm not listening to my client's when I am reading, to me, I am doing something wrong. But actually, at the core of it, I think they have a lot in common. Both tarot and counselling aim to help people to change things that aren't working for them. Both focus on what the client needs rather than what the reader/counsellor needs. At the core of it, they are both about healing. Different routes to get to the same place. Intuition and "flashes", the sorts of things that we are talking about in another thread, these things inform my counselling far more often than the Counselling world would probablly be happy about. I have lots more thoughts about this, and as soon as I get them organised, I'll add them!

Red Emma	04 Sep 2004
Because of a recalcitrant depression, I've spent a great deal of my life in therapy. Recently began an EMDR treatment (something about eye movements) for post traumatic stress. Throughout my life I could go for days trying to mentally access the source of current anger or resentment and all those destructive emotions which make a depressant's life so hellish. As you know, once the origins of the current destructive emotions are recognized, they can be easily -- well, more easily -- dealt with and vaporized. THANK THE GOOD GODDESS FOR TAROT! If I had had this resource a very long time ago, my life would have been infinitely easier. I work it by asking the tarot, for instance, 'why am I so angry about xxx?' 99 times out of hundred, the deck goes straight to the genesis of the thing. God, what a relief! Then I can deal with it, or if it's too stressful to handle, my therapist and I deal with it. PM me if you want to discuss the subject in more detail than this public forum warrants. Bright blessings.

firemaiden	04 Sep 2004
I own a book written in French by a psychotherapist who uses tarot in her practice. She lays out cards, and lets the clients respond to them, say which is their favorite or least favorite card and why. Her reasoning is that the pictures (she used the Marseille) are archetypes, they affect people deeply on unconscious levels, and people react strongly to them. One interesting example she gave was a client responding to the Sun card -- saying I HATE that card! And why? Well, it turned out she had some kind of trauma having to do with being a twin... In my personal, veeeeeeeeery humble opinion... using them professionally as a predictive or diagnostic tool for clients should be out of the question, as unethical and probably dangerous, however, as a trigger to stimulate the clients own insights and discussion it could be a very useful tool.

Diana	04 Sep 2004
Quote: Originally posted by firemaiden In my personal, veeeeeeeeery humble opinion... using them professionally as a predictive or diagnostic tool for clients should be out of the question, as unethical and probably dangerous, Unethical? Dangerous? Why?

firemaiden	04 Sep 2004
Well, I think it depends on how much responsibility one gives the tarot in the process of the diagnoses-- if the card merely reflects everything else that you as a perceptive therapist can observe, and what the client has told you himself, well then... it may just be a useful tool to organize a conversation around. However, I would not think it responsible of a therapist to give the cards the authority of an "outside" opinion. Diana, this was not meant as an attack on your methods. Knowing you, I am sure that you are thoroughly excellent and ethical. I was thinking more generally.

Eco74	04 Sep 2004
I know of someone who does this. And of another who does it a little differently. What she does is pick up a card that symbolises her goal. Like 4 of Wands if she wants to find a new home where she will be happy. She then meditates on the cards and "affirms" it saying (or thinking) that this card symbolises something that she wishes for and that she hopes that she will be able to reach her goal in whatever form it will present itself. She also says (or thinks) that this card symbolises the ultimate in what she is wishing for and she does not expect to get the castle that shows in the background, but just something that will enable her to be as happy with her home as the people in the card are. This may also mean that something happens that will make her happier where she is already living, she's open to it all and the meditation and "magic" she does with the card through the affirmations is really just a way of getting her mind in the right gear so she can see that an improvement is possible. Another version is what the other person does. She picks out two cards. One representing what she wants to move away from (example 4 of Swords - symbolising stagnation and inability to move forward with a relationship or other situation) and another representing what she wants to move towards (example 3 of cups with merriment, friendship and outwards action resulting in happy times). She then meditates on both and creates a path from one to the other and has found that the heightened awareness of where she is coming from and where she wants to go makes it easier for her to really work towards the goal. I'm thinking though that Tarot should only be used (in this way) with clients who are somewhat familiar with what Tarot is since those who do not could just as well be given any other symbol of what they want to accomplish. The idea of using imagery or symbolism as a help on the way is absolutely lovely though. This is what most people already do on their own when putting up a picture of a beautiful beach on the fridge to motivate them saving money for that trip they want instead of spending it on other things etc. Can't see how you can fail with that approach. But do make sure the client is not aversed to Tarot as a means for personal development first and find an alternative image/symbol if it could be a potential problem for the client. Sometimes misconceptions and dislike of things or phenomenon can cause more problems than they solve, so the tool should only be given to those who understand how to use it. Edited to add; Neither of these two are therapists and only use this method for their own personal development.

Diana	04 Sep 2004
firemaiden: I know you were not trying to get at my methods. I just find that within the Tarot are all the answers we can seek. Including medical diagnoses. The danger is in WRONGLY interpreting the cards. That is where the ethics come in. You have to admit to yourself that you are not sure if you are not. But even doctors wrongly interpret their diagnoses. Example: a dermatologist recently figured I had shingles on the sole of my foot. He called in a second dermatologist because he found it so strange. The second dermatologist agreed with him. But the cards told me they were wrong. They were plantar warts. The cards told me to phone a woman who has the "secret" of getting rid of warts. The next day the pain had gone completely, I could again put weight on my foot and a few days later they had vanished.

firemaiden	04 Sep 2004
Good, Diana, agreed (whew!)-- as long as the interpreter ultimately takes responsiblity - and does not give it to the cards.

Rusty Neon	04 Sep 2004
Quote: Originally posted by rosyelf Dear Everyone, I am a holistic therapist and would like at some time in the future to incorporate Tarot cards into some treatments (only if it seems appropriate AND the client is open to this, of course.) Has anyone had experience of this, either as therapist or client ? I am not a counsellor, but I envisage a card or two could be a way of opening up various issues. I'd make it clear that this is about empowerment, not fortune-telling. And perhaps have a Future Focus element-suggested in another thread-for the client to be going on their way with. any thoughts, suggestions gratefully received, Rosyelf hi rosyelf Dr. Arthur Rosengarten is a psychotherapist who appears both to incorporate tarot in his psychotherapy practice and also to give tarot readings independent of his psychotherapy practice. http://www.artrosengarten.com/services.htm He has a book out on tarot and counselling. The book is titled Tarot and Psychology: Spectrums of Possibility. His Tarot Lexicon (based on Rider-Waite deck imagery), excerpted from his book, is reproduced at his website and is, in my opinion, one of the most insightful sets of keywords and divinatory meanings for the RWS deck by any one single modern-day author. You can find links to the 3-part Tarot Lexicon at http://www.artrosengarten.com/articles.htm by scrolling down to the bottom of that page. Edited to add: For those cross-registered on the ComparativeTarot group on yahoo, here is a link to a post by Sandra A. Thomson made on that group's board regarding Rosengarten's courses and continuing education credits for Marriage and Family Therapists (but not for Psychologists) in California: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ComparativeTarot/message/55746

Umbrae	04 Sep 2004
This is one of the beauties of the Voyager deck. Give it a whirl. Let the Client do the reading… IMHO – it’s what the deck should be used for.

Cerulean	04 Sep 2004
This is just an opinion. If one is experienced in visually-oriented therapies and has had training as an art therapist, I believe there's a stronger reliability in trusting images. If one asks the client what they believe the image says to their individual perception, it may be very helpful. If I knew of an experienced reader who helped guide my impression of a card picked, then I could study both my idea and theirs is an excellent guide for a conversational point. I would then carry away the discussion as a beginning of a thoughtful reflection. But I do believe my own resulting impressions would be the most weighting factor. -------------------------------------------------------------------- In Diana's example, I think there are people who are very intuitive in terms of their readings and can diagnose their medical situation very well. I know of one woman aquaintance whose chest and arm pains were terrible, under the skin and she was afraid of a heart condition. She was relieved to find out it was a result of the virus associated with shingles, because the alternative was worst. Her stress at that point also was associated with the shingles pain. Her friends consider her very impressionable and thought the stress came from her upcoming job interviews. She typically likes to talk her stress out with her friends--so my take in hearing this would be if she were to seek a friendly ear, I wouldn't suggest tarot. But I also don't know her personally, But to my close friends and family--other than my father and brother, both who likes people to talk and respond without pointing to pictures--a tarot card draw seems an ideal start to look at a topic. Some people might be more drawn to music and movement or physical acting therapies. I think someone in my poetry group is learning something called "Psycho Drama" which sounds funny, but they also use something called Rosen bodywork. I guess it's a question of what creative outlook works with you. I like writing poetry (many times badly) as well. Regards, Cerulean

Trogon	05 Sep 2004
First off, I have to say that my training in psychology has all been in very practical terms and settings. Having worked in law enforcement, both as a police officer and as a police dispatcher, I have had training in how to work through many difficult situations, including dealing with witnesses, victims, criminals, and other people in crisis. Of course, this doesn't make me a professional therapist or psychologist in any way, not even close. Howver, it does give me enough of a foundation to be able to recoginize serious problems when I see them. Having said that... I have found that on several occasions, whether I want it or not, the Tarot has become a tool for helping people to work through some of these types of problems. A tool, if you will, for counseling others. I'll have someone ask for a reading, we sit down... and next thing I know, I've got things showing up in the reading relating to feelings of abandonment, phobias, anger, depression and any number of other issues that are all too common in the whole human experience. In fact, to be honest, I find this sort of reading to be more the norm than the "you'll meet a tall, handsome stranger" type of reading. Fortunately, because of training and exprience, I've been able to recognize a couple of situations where clients needed to see professional counselors or therapists and therefore was able to point them in the appropriate direction. In both cases they did seek professional counseling and are, I believe (and so do they), improving. But, my point is, that on a smaller scale, the majority of my readings turn into counseling sessions to one extent or another. I have to face it, I almost never have a person come to me who is happy and well adjusted. People come to me as a Tarot reader because they have issues or feelings that they need help identifying. If I can assist them by helping to identify an issue and letting them talk about it and pointing out some options on how to work through an issue then I will. If it is an issue which is too big for simple solutions then I'll refer them to the pro's like RoseyElf, Diana and Charmingpixie... ;) On the other hand, I have a client who just can't afford to go to a professional therapist. She is a single mother, supporting 2 daughters on the wages from a low-paying job. So, we slowly work through and talk about issues which come up in her readings. Some things have come up which stem from her childhood, other things are more recent. In any case, so far, she feels that I have been helping her. I think more than anything, just having a friend she can talk to is probably the biggest help she can have right now.

tmgrl2	05 Sep 2004
Just my two cents worth... I hold a NY State License as a Speech/Language Pathologist. A large part of my training and my work involves counseling families of children and adults who have serious speech/language disorders. My licensure could be revoked if I "publicly" introduced Tarot cards and a reading into the mix of treating a client with whom I have a professional relationship as a Speech Pathologist. Our code of ethics is long and wieldy. I have the counseling training and use it. In the past, before I garnered 30 years of experience I networked more with other professionals than I do now. Even today, I will refer out someone who has a problem that I think can best be handled by someone with more in-depth experience in that area of difficulty. For example, my husband is quite expert as dysphagia diagnosis and treatment (swallowing disorders). He specialized in it. No way am I going to step into a hospital room with a trached and vented patient and see if they can be fed and set up a program for the staff and family. Given a relationship with a client ...let's say I'm not "getting anywhere" with guidance over time.... Would I go home some evening if I were "stuck" and do a reading in the privacy of my own home, seeking a different direction in counseling or treatment? I might. Would I tell the client where I got this new guidance? Absolutely not. I remember jmd ((or umbrae...not sure...so will credit both )saying once something to the effect that it would be nice if we could sit around at a meeting at work, and pull out a pack of cards and throw a spread to get a different way of looking at an issue. Wouldn't that be great if that's where the world was with Tarot? It isn't. I was at all day Committe Meetings on Special Education one day, and brought out a deck at lunch to show a peer. Our own time. No parents or "clients" there. A couple of teachers were who also sitting on committee that day, were laughing hysterically at the idea that I would even entertain the idea that Tarot was for "real." We were basically sitting around the conference table eating lunch and sharing personal conversations. That's ok. I'm not embarrassed any more to say I read Tarot ...I make it clear I don't use it at work, although I have done some "personal" readings for friends I work with during both of our lunch breaks. If one doesn't have a professional license or a career at stake, and the "client" is open to a reading...use what works. terri

firemaiden	05 Sep 2004
Well, there are those tabous, true, terri. As far as dangers go, I would be upset if someone used medical advice offered in a tarot reading, as an excuse to forgo seeing a medical doctor about a serious problem.

tmgrl2	05 Sep 2004
Quote: Originally posted by firemaiden Well, there are those tabous, true, terri. As far as dangers go, I would be upset if someone used medical advice offered in a tarot reading, as an excuse to forgo seeing a medical doctor about a serious problem. I absolutely agree! There are people who will seek a Tarot reading when, in fact, they DO need professional medical advice and are unwillingly or afraid...or whatever ....to go that route. Many say they "distrust" medical professionals, in general. I find that if one needs professional/medical help, a good search and some good referrals can get someone to the proper medical sources. Even in my own profession, step one is "rule out" medical step... So, e.g. a simple hearing test for someone who has "listening" problems. terri

rosyelf	09 Sep 2004
Dear Everyone, I am delighted to receive your opinions and thoughts on this subject. As always, tarotforum members show themselves to be considerate, sensitive individuals with whole realms of experience. Thank you very much. I would NEVER use Tarot with someone if I wasn't sure they'd be at ease with it-I agree it could cause a lot of problems. Also, bottom line, it's a lack of respect.

augursWell	11 Sep 2004
Not to toot my own horn but, by coincidence, I just recently posted a new Tarot Spread used to look at deep-seated emotions and problems. The thread is at: http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30876 After we started discussing the spread I started thinking about how one, as a Tarot reader, would handle doing a reading for someone who has experienced a trauma of some kind. I do not read for others publicly so there is that whole resource of experience that I cannot draw upon in answering that question. I am also not a licensed psychotherapist or medical doctor. But I would say that there is still a public aversion to Tarot that treats it as nothing but a curiosity or even insanity. Because of this it seems likely that the most common reaction, if Tarot was used in a Medical/Therapeutical situation, would be like the old phrase "the blind leading the blind", a crazy person trying to help a crazy person, to put it in the vernacular. I certainly wish it wasn't so but I think that's how it would go. It seems to me that spreads like the one I mentioned above and many others on this forum and in books are a very good way of creating a dialogue between two people, reader and querent, in order to address many types of problems. Strange since one well known person in the field of Psychology, C.J. Jung, did all kinds of research involving Tarot. ??

RedMaple	11 Sep 2004
I have used Tarot in therapy, not as a counselor, but as a client. My therapist and I have discussed Tarot readings I've done for myself, just as we might discuss dreams. My therapist was very open to it, probably because it came from my suggestion, but as my therapy progressed, and I discussed doing readings for others, she acknowledged that Tarot as a useful counselling tool. We did not actually use the cards during the session, but talked about readings I had done that gave me insights into issues. I don't know about state regulations, but it seems to me that if someone included art and other expressive therapies as part of their practice, that Tarot would easily fall into that. I know that there are still people out there who see Tarot only as an occult tune of telling the future, but that limited viewpoint will only change as more people introduce the Tarot outside of the stereotyped "Gypsy fortuneteller" image. Red Maple

tmgrl2	12 Sep 2004
RedMaple...I like the idea of bringing one's own readings to a therapist! We bring Dreams...Tarot would be great. Come to think of it, when I first started Tarot this past February, I was still in some counseling and did discuss some cards/readings with the therapist. He was quite open to this. However, if one has a "license" in a professional field that offers counseling, Tarot would not fall under "art." Years ago, we even had trouble introducing "meditation" type activities with children in school. That has relaxed a bit now. In working with children and adults who stutter, we have always used a particular type of "relaxation technique" but Tarot would still be out of range ethically...as firemaiden said...they are frowned upon and we have to seriously consider the likelihood that a client would "bring an action" for practices that may be considered unethical. terri

RedMaple	12 Sep 2004
Yes, if you have clients who are already doing their own readings, it's obviously safe to discuss them. I guess it is important to protect the client, there are certainly people who would mis-use Tarot, but that's true of all therapies, I think. Tarot is still against some people's religious beliefs -- my brother, who is Roman Catholic, thinks it's evil. There's no talking to him about it --- but I find that people with funadamentalist tendencies, literalists, are very suspicious of anything that requires them to think metaphorically. In fact, as a poet, I feel that teaching people to read metaphorically is an important part of my teaching role. Clearly people who are drawn to mythical, symbolic, and metaphorical thinking are drawn to Tarot, but I think a lot of people also learn to use that part of themselves better as they learn Tarot. Could Jungian therapists use Tarot do you think? Since Jung specifically wrote about Tarot, and since the idea of dealing with archetypal symbolism would make sense in that system? Could you use other artwork, not Tarot, that could work similarly? Interesting possibilities in that, I would think. I want to say I used Augurs Well's "Hidden Sorrows" spread and it is a very deep and useful spread. Check out her link.

rosyelf	13 Sep 2004
Red maple, I am a poet, too and I agree with you totally about fundamentalists ( of any colour)-metaphors and symbols terrify them ! Or just leave them cold. I have been reading a fair amount of contemporary American poetry ( a huge field, admittedly) and wonder if I know you by your "real" name. Pm me, please. love rosyelf

Pook	15 Sep 2004
This has been a very interesting thread with some good food for thought. I had read it earlier, but came back to it when I found a boook on e-bay called tarot therapy. I dont know if it would be helpful for you or not since I have never read it, but you may want to look it up.

SongDeva	15 Sep 2004
Rosyelf, I would like to recommend that you check out the Dance of Life Tarot, as it was designed by a ...hmmm... Gestalt Therapist, I believe, just for this kind of thing. I find it beautiful and pretty amazing. Also, the Waking the Wild Spirit in its lovely bag arrived today. Thanks so much!! Sd

rosyelf	15 Sep 2004
Thank you, Moondreamer, for the link. I'll certainly check that book out. Also, Songdeva, I'm delighted the package arrived safely. Enjoy, enjoy. Lovely deck, but I just wasn't doing it justice right now. I do believe that we grow in and out of decks and that bonding can't be forced. This is your time with the WTWS. . . .Of course, our relationships with certain decks can become lifelong love affairs! thank you all, again rosyelf

Red Emma	15 Sep 2004
Quote: Originally posted by rosyelf I would NEVER use Tarot with someone if I wasn't sure they'd be at ease with it-I agree it could cause a lot of problems. Also, bottom line, it's a lack of respect. A question about ethics: If a client wasn't comfortable with tarot, and yet he had a problem the therapist had trouble understanding, why would it be any more unethical for her to use the tarot in the situation than to go to the professional library for books by Jung, etc. for insights? By using the tarot, I mean the therapist quietly doing a reading in her home or office which no one knows about? Yes, I know I seem to have answered my own question, "which no one knows about" but still, and to quote the Pagan Creed, "An it harm none, do as ye will." And in this case it seems to me it would harm none and do the patient a whole lot of good.

Red Emma	15 Sep 2004
Now about the tarot-reading client and a therapist who's unfamiliar with, or uncomfortable with, the concept......as a patient I'd have no compunction about using the tarot for insights into my own situation, whether the therapist liked it or not. But only on my own at home. If I were to pull the cards out in her office, then the focus would become Tarot and The Cards instead of my psychological needs. After all, it's my LIFE we're dealing with here. As an aside, I'm kind of wondering if a tarot-sensitive therapist is one I'd want to deal with. Would her attitudes and thinking be a bit limited or otherwise constrained?

Eco74	16 Sep 2004
I wonder... If said tarot-sensetive therapist was open to the individual message of the cards there should be no problem. The therapist is also supposed to make YOU think about your life and provide thinking excercises that make you realise things about yourself to help you evolve. They should never give you something and say "here is how you should see it" or "this is how it is" so any therapist with an attitude like that is a bad one, pro-tarot or not... Ofcourse, having said that, there is nothing wrong with the therapist planting little thoughts after you have had a few minutes to respond to the artwork or thought-excercise. Things like "have you noticed..." or "try seeing yourself somewhere else in that picture, how does that feel" etc.

Anna	16 Sep 2004
I have bought the Soul Cards, and I am going to add them to my collection of paints, colouring pencils, rolls of paper and rocks that I regularly take in with clients :)

rosyelf	16 Sep 2004
This thread is great-talk about intersting feedback ! RedEmma, the only difference I can see between Jung's books and Tarot is that one is considered "respectable" and the other is not. My approach would be yours too: if it helps, use it ! Also, I think Jung would approve (after all, Tarot is archetypes). But I would use the cards anyway, if I felt it would help me understand the client better (and in situations outwith therapy, that goes without saying.) CharmingPixie, I've just noticed you live in Liverpool! You are up the road from me ! What kind of therapy do you do ?-it sounds fascinating. And do you have Soulcards 1 and 2 or just one of them ? I have No. 1 and am hoping to get the 2nd one soon. I've found them very useful in personal development and as cues for my poems. Because they have no ascribed meanings, you could have a dozen people see the same card and come up with a dozen scenarios-I like that. Please pm me best wishes, rosyelf

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