It's your reading but by me
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 28 Nov 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Osher |
28 Nov 2004 |
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I had a question about a girl...and posed it to a close friend. The next morning she woke me up(!) very excited, and told me the reading. Being Italian, she was very exuberant, and slightly firey, and told me, in no uncertain ways, that I must not go near this girl, she will hurt me, etc.
A couple of days later, chatting online, another friend read for me on the same subject. This girl is a very much a diver, who's attitude to life is to suck it and see. This time the reading was that I would get heartache (as before), but I should still go for it, as I would learn.
OK, says I, same outcome, but different advice. So, I asked a third friend for advice, as I was now confused! This friend is much deeper, more analytical, and offers gentler influence, than actual solid commands. This time I was told what would happen if we carried on, and again, advised not to carry on, but also how to make it work/not so bad, if I wanted to.
All 3 readers are good. All 3 said the same basic thing. Yet, the advice given by all 3 reflected them, from a definate answer, to a charging answer, to a reflective answer. How much then should one temper one's answers, to suit a middle muddle way?
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| cheekyminx |
28 Nov 2004 |
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Perhaps you have a karmic tie with this girl?
Only you can decide on this, what is your gut instinct telling you? Should I or shouldn't I? :)
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| Osher |
28 Nov 2004 |
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Ooops! Er, yes, very similiar subject.
Actually, on reflection, it's also interesting the focus of the subject, and where the subject is being hosted, i.e. which forum.
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| Osher |
28 Nov 2004 |
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Perhaps you have a karmic tie with this girl?
Only you can decide on this, what is your gut instinct telling you? Should I or shouldn't I? :)
My instinct told me that this girl is lovely, but there is something else too... Hence my chatting to my friend about it.
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| cheekyminx |
28 Nov 2004 |
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Interesting.....something "else" about this girl that you're not sure on......don't you just love it ;)
Hmm well if you're sensing something take caution :)
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| Osher |
28 Nov 2004 |
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Interesting.....something "else" about this girl that you're not sure on......don't you just love it ;)
Hmm well if you're sensing something take caution :)
Of course, but hey, it'll be interesting!
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| dadsnook2000 |
28 Nov 2004 |
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In all of the three responses from you friends is one other message that we all have to keep in mind; you can't place the power over your life in another's hands nor can you take responsibility for other decisions. As an astrologer for very many years I found this to be good advice. Now that I'm into the tarot, its still great advice for readers and querent's alike. I'm glad to see that you recognize that and are willing to see where something might lead.
"The turtle never goes anywhere until he sticks his neck out." Dave.
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| firemaiden |
28 Nov 2004 |
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LOL. I did the middle reading.
I just don't see why anyone would allow a pack of cards to tell them not to go for it - it's dangerous.
You've got to live your life. You've got to go for things. Like the Fool, you know. So... you'll fall off the cliff. Big deal...
So what, you'd rather just stay home?
If its supposed to hurt, it will hurt. You'll grow. So far only the cards have said it would hurt - not signals from her, or am I wrong?
I actually didn't see that she would hurt you in the cards-- you already told me she would -- I was more thinking - if that is so, well, this is the approach you have to take.
Enjoy the fall. Notice the rock outcropping as you go by...
Just...
stay...
CONSCIOUS
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| Osher |
28 Nov 2004 |
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This of course brings in another question: to what degree should one live life via Tarot?
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| Formicida |
28 Nov 2004 |
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...and yet another question that frustrates me, which is: I ask the cards what will happen if I do x. They say y. I don't like y, so I do z instead. But am I really avoiding the consequences? What if z leads to something worse than y? What if y would have happened anyway?
Personally, I try not to let the cards talk me into or out of anything, per se. But I let them inform my decisions and help me clarify what I really want. I find that a lot of times, I already know what I should do and I just want something to confirm that. It's sort of a blurry line, though, between letting the cards run your life and letting them inform your decisions.
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| Phoenix Rising |
28 Nov 2004 |
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Hi Osher
You don't need to give your power away to others, alot of there advice could be coming from there own insecurities too.
Whether the relationship ends up in heartache or not. By being afraid of something that hasn't happened yet is just stupid! You could be missing a very beautiful and valuable lesson in life. Just live in the now! As time is both past and future in the moment.
Unfortunately the advice of your friends have planted a seed already in your subconscious, so it probably just might happen, but you still have the power to change.
Live and let live!
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| Ace |
28 Nov 2004 |
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the Tarot is very clear here: this girl is the kind who will suck you dry. If you choose to go into this relationship without figuring out your sheilds and protections first, you have no one to blame but yourself. If you can learn something from it (like don't go near girls like this again!) then maybe you want to do it. But it is like they all say, UP TO YOU.
The tarot reflects what is there now, not what the future will bring. If you explore this relationship and get burned, well, the cards had told you it was hazardous. But it can't predict that you will get out scarred or unscarred.
What I would ask the cards now is: what can I learn by going ahead with this relationship? If the answer is, not to go into such relationships again, then you can learn that the easy way: staying home.
I get the idea that you really want to go ahead with this relationship but that you don't want to be hurt. The cards say it clear: go here and you will probably get hurt. So now you decide: do I want to go ahead and get hurt, or find another person who is less likely to hurt me?
I think you have to learn to trust the cards to tell you the facts. Fact: this girl sucks her relationships dry. So maybe ask: what do I want from this girl? if it is "for her to give her heart to me" then you are denying the reality of who she is.
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| firemaiden |
28 Nov 2004 |
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At the risk of causing world war three on AT -- Ace - how can you say just from the cards "this girl sucks her relationships dry"?
Do you know the girl?
It would be one thing to make a judgement like that after knowing her and her history. But to say it point blank, this is the truth, end of story -- just from the cards?
I'm sorry, I disagree. The cards can be a tool for a reflection, and brainstorming -- but for judging people you don't know, and putting them in a box forever?
Maybe she is a perfectly wonderful person, but just not a match for Osher ...
Why not ask the question differently, Osher. You know you cannot be so attached to the outcome of a reading anyway -- Ask better - what you can do to attract love into your life, and let the right one come to you.
Or if you get entangled and find yourself obsessed, or manipulated or whatever -- ask the cards what you can do to release yourself from old patterns, and improve your sense of self worth - so you will not walk into these traps.
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| Osher |
28 Nov 2004 |
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The fact that every reading, including one I did myself, all said the same basic thing, is pretty convincing. However, let me ask myself another question: if I didn't have access to Tarot would I be happier about this girl? The answer is yes, but... I felt something wrong when I felt met her, but couldn't put my finger on it.
The last reader for me said that this girl is very strong-minded, and can't be changed. I'd try and adapt to her though, and find myself being broken by that. Meanwhile, she'd won't like my attempts to have her do things my way, and see me as too teacher like.
So...what does one do? Well, the future can be altered. This I know for a fact, and I've proved it (how? that's for another thread! Just take it on trust). Maybe she'd give a little, and I'd give, and we can find a common ground. Who knows? Maybe I'd get hurt, and in that, find the right girl?
Who knows? However, as Firemaiden said, if you don't try...
There is another question: does knowing something make it happen, i.e. a self-fulfilling prophecy. For example: this girl isn't your future wife, so you don't date her, so she isn't the one you marry. Could she have been? Was there some cosmic plan for you to have this information? In other words, did my spirit guide want me to have 4 warnings, for a specific reason?
Ah, questions, questions, and I hope it's many fulfilling and fun-packed years before I find all the answers...
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| gypsy |
04 Dec 2004 |
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are you considering a serious relationship with this girl, or a few dates? how does she feel about you? she may have some kind of reputation, but it is absolutely true that people can and will and do change when they meet The One.
i am all for taking chances on relationships. you never know unless you try! if i wasn't a risk-taker, i wouldn't be a married woman. :)
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