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How do I converse with ghosts?

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 15 Dec 2004, and now archived in the Forum Library.



marinecomm  15 Dec 2004 
What spreads can be used in order to communicate with ghosts? Four times now I have had something in my bedroom when I was trying to go to sleep. All four times I have felt an intense presence (on two of those ocassions it was an intense female presence) and felt intense fear. I mentioned it to my housemate and she told me to consult the tarot about it. She had no idea how herself and I have no experience whatsoever in dealing with ghosts. I have read several posts in these forums where people have talked about conversing with the deceased using the tarot, but no one has stated exactly what spread they used or how they went about doing it. 


MarkMcElroy  15 Dec 2004 
I'd keep it simple. In the room, you might draw these cards:

Cards 1 & 2: What are you trying to tell me? (The interaction of these cards produces the "message.")

Card 3: What is your goal in contacting me?

Cards 4 & 5: Two ideas for actions you could take to resolve this situation as efficiently, practically, and calmly as possible.

Arrange the cards like the pips are arranged on the "5" side of a die, with cards 1 and 2 on a top row, card 3 centered on the second row, and cards 4 and 5 on the third row.

You'll have to let us all know what you discover! Good luck. :) 


marinecomm  16 Dec 2004 
Thanks Mark, I will try that tonight and see what happens. In the three years we have been living here we have never had issue with ghosts. This one doesn't seem to be a poltergeist as it hasn't moved anything around. It is still very unsettling and scary. 


marinecomm  17 Dec 2004 
I performed the reading last night in my room where the manifestations have taken place. These are the cards that I drew:

1) Queen/Swords
2) Justice
3) 3/Swords
4) 6/Pentacles
5) Temperance

Three cards fell out of the deck while I was shuffling: High Priest, Queen/Wands, and Judgement

If anyone can help me make sense out of this I would appreciate. I am still fairly new to the tarot so my interpretation will probably be a bit dodgy. 


raeanne  17 Dec 2004 
Hi Marinecomm,
Here's a quick look at these cards:

Cards 1 & 2 – What are you trying to tell me?
Queen of Swords and Justice
Well, it seems that an intellectual woman was wronged and is seeking retribution.

Card 3 – What is your goal in contacting me?
3 of Swords
This could be someone wanting to inflict pain and heartache on someone else (revenge) or possibly someone wanting to end the heartache they are feeling.

Cards 4 & 5 – Two ideas for actions you could take to resolve this situation as efficiently, practically, and calmly as possible.
6 of Pentacles
Temperance
This ghost wants something from the past (6 of Pents). It needs to find a way to balance the equation (Temperance).

Have you done any research on you house? If you could find out who might have lived there and if something happen that would give you an idea of what specifically the ghost might be looking for it would be a big help. 


marinecomm  17 Dec 2004 
Raeanne, I sat down with my housemate just a little bit ago and picked her brain. She has been reading the tarot for many years now so I wanted to double check what I came up with. For the most part our interpretations were similar to yours. There were a couple of cards we couldn't seem to come up with an interpretation for though.

We have lived in this house for four or five years now and have never had an issue with ghosts. Every year my housemate and I perform a ritual to put a protective circle around the house and property. I guess it is possible that a ghost could have been lying dormant for all these years and then for whatever reasons of her own decide to manifest. She has only manifested herself to me in my room. She hasn't bothered to manifest anywhere else or to anyone else. As strange as this may sound, it seems like a foreign entity coming into the house. I'm not saying everyone in this house is psychic or anything, but it just seems odd that we have never sensed anything before or have had any experiences like this before while living here. 


Dark Inquisitor  17 Dec 2004 
Spirits can show up at any time , especially if you are doing any kind of paranormal sort of work . They don't have to be connected to the property either. Have you told her to leave and not return? (If that's what you want.) 


raeanne  17 Dec 2004 
Hi Marinecomm,
It isn't unusual for a ghost to lay dormant for a number of years. Some will reappear on 5 or 10 year cycles or even longer. Most will become active around the anniversary of their death or some other critical time. When I first looked at the cards you drew I was concerned about the desire for retribution. The Justice card and the 3 of Swords seemed to want revenge. However, if you laid the cards out the way the fives are on a dice, you can read the diagonals. Cards 1, 3, and 5 seem to express the desire to rid one’s self of a painful heartache rather than inflicting heartache as revenge. Cards 2, 3, and 4 seem to be more childlike with the heartache and the need for justice so I don’t think this ghost wants revenge. Next time you feel the presence, you might want to do a three card reading asking:
1) What put you in your present position? (I hate to say “What killed you?” It just seems too harsh! Also, the actual death might not be the reason they are stuck between worlds.)
2) What is keeping you here?
3) What will help you enter the light?
If you are interested in reading a good book about helping souls “go to the light” you might like Mary Summer Rain’s book Phantoms Afoot: Helping the Spirits Among Us. Keep us posted! 


marinecomm  20 Dec 2004 
Raeanne, There was another manifestation last night while I was trying to go to sleep. She doesn't manifest every night so I thought I would wait till she did again before doing another spread. Tonight I am going to do a spread asking the questions you mentioned. I'll use the same 5-card spread as I did before. You brought up a good thing. I didn't think about reading the cards diagonally. I did lay out the cards just like the 5 pips on a 6-sided dice. 


Adjustment  20 Dec 2004 
marinecomm wrote:
Raeanne, There was another manifestation last night while I was trying to go to sleep. She doesn't manifest every night so I thought I would wait till she did again before doing another spread. Tonight I am going to do a spread asking the questions you mentioned. I'll use the same 5-card spread as I did before. You brought up a good thing. I didn't think about reading the cards diagonally. I did lay out the cards just like the 5 pips on a 6-sided dice.

This post is very interesting, please let us know more about this situation. 


Alissa  20 Dec 2004 
raeanne and marinecomm wrote:

Here's a quick look at these cards:

Cards 1 & 2 – What are you trying to tell me?
Queen of Swords and Justice

Card 3 – What is your goal in contacting me?
3 of Swords

Cards 4 & 5 – Two ideas for actions you could take to resolve this situation as efficiently, practically, and calmly as possible.
6 of Pentacles
Temperance
I see this very similarly to what's been shared.

A Queen of Swords can represent one who is/was grieving. S/He may have cut their emotional ties off in life as a matter of emotional self preservation. This feels like the entity trying to identify itself to you, as a court card.

Justice - S/he seeks eternal justice. S/he may be seeking help in finding Justice, as s/he perceives it.

3 of Swords as a goal in contacting you doesn't sit well. The card itself speaks of grief, heartache, and sorrow... a triple weight to bear. This could be the emotional state of the Queen of Swords entity, and one she cannot yet move beyond. Stuck in this state, this is what energy she perpetuates.

6 of Pentacles and Temperance... both of these cards are "mixing" cards to me. The 6 of Pentacles are actions in the real world, and the "payoffs" we receive - depending on if you see yourself as the giver or the receiver in the card, you will interpret it differently.

Temperance is balance and an ability to mix two seemingly maladjusted contents into one another, making something new and often altogether blessed. The actions you may need to take next will require one part emotional action and one part practical action. The practical actions may be what you chose to do to your physical environment, and the emotional/spiritual actions you will do internally in dealing with this matter.

Consider first before you chose to banish a spirit. If this spirit is trying to contact you, it must be taking a tremendous effort in doing so. My tendency is to find out *why* that communication is being sought before banishing it from continuing.

But you should do what you feel is safest and right for your own home, no matter what! :) Please keep us informed, and keep your self and your home safe. 


marinecomm  20 Dec 2004 
Alissa, she has only manifested to me in my room. I don't think she is a poltergeist, as of yet she has not moved anything in my room nor has she tried to harm me in any way. I am going to ask her the questions Raeanne suggested to get a better idea of the situation. I don't feel anyone in my house or myself are in any danger, therefore I don't feel I should take drastic measures. Although you did bring up a valid concern about being too hasty in banishing her. I'm rather curious as to why she has decided to manifest to me and only me. I have two other housemates who would have taken the same measures I have. Unless she proves a threat I plan to find out as much about her as possible and help in any way I can. It does seem to me that there might be an issue of revenge or wanting some type of justice on her part. I should have done another reading last night, but every time she manifests I am filled with this intense fear. Last night wasn't as bad as it has been though. I figure I will wait till around midnight tonight and then set up my room to make it more conducive to communicate with her through my tarot deck. Maybe I will have a better idea of what is going on and what part I might play in it after tonight. 


marinecomm  21 Dec 2004 
Ok, I performed the reading tonight asking the following questions:

What put you in your present position?
What is keeping you here?
What will help you enter the light?

Card 1: Moon
Card 2: Temperance
Card 3: Three/Pentacles
Card 4: Five/Wands
Card 5: Four/Wands

The only thing I could make out from this spread is that maybe her death is drug related (Moon). Other than that I am thoroughly perplexed, but then again I am still a novice. 


TaranRavenfrost  21 Dec 2004 
I found the cards you drew, laid them out, and really thought about what the meaning of this could be...then it clicked. The Moon to me is a card about hidden powers, or masquerades. I dont know about the drug related death, i see it as more of a violent suicide, or quiet murder. Temperance (or 'Art' as it is called in my deck) is a card of alchemy, and to me, this would suggest a drug related death, but the position its in tells me she wants revenge...she wants for someone to feel as if she felt.

The 3 of pentacles kind of tells me she is grounded, attached to something physical that maybe you have, or maybe its just YOU who she is attached to for some reason or another.

And last, the 5 and 4 of wands tells me that she very mad and ferocious(sp?) about her situation. The 5 of wands to me means causing a bit of havoc on something, this ties in with the revenge. It might also mean that she wants you to feel this havoc she has felt. And the 4 of wands, or swiftness means HURRY. Im really guessing she is starting to trust you, if the fear wasnt as bad this time...you might even lay the deck out for her communicate to you with, just turn all the cards over and swirl them, then use your hand or a pendulum to locate the cards she is choosing for you to see. Also, you might try writing a letter to her, and leaving it out by a bowl of water with a bunch of paper letters floating in it, and the letters that turn up will probaly be her trying to tell you something.

Last of all, if she hasnt moved anything or been destructive in any way, dont feel afraid of her, try and do the tarot reading RIGHT after the manifestation. Hold the cards and shuffle them where she manifested, let the Ectoplasm absorb into the cards. Then do the reading, and say things outloud! let her know you are trying to help!

I hope this post was informative, Blessed Be 


Trogon  21 Dec 2004 
One other thought... have you tried to let her talk to you herself? I'm thinking you might want to try to capture a so-called "EVP" (Electronic Voice Phenomena). Using a tape recorder or DAT, preferably using a good-quality external microphone, you simply record the sounds in the room. You'll want to turn off as much electrical and electronic equipment as you can before you start to both cut down on background noise as well as trying to eliminate as much electrical interferance as possible. Then, with the device recording, you ask the entity a question, then give the entity time to answer (10 to 30 seconds might be enough). Ask another question, give her time to answer... and so on. Try to avoid asking how she "died" - she may not know she's dead. Though you might ask what happened to her, or as raeanne said "what put you in this position" ... or something like that. Ask also why she's contacting you in particular. You might also want to ask her what her name is... then if she answers you have a name to address her by during other sessions. Other questions may occur to you as well.

Once you have asked your questions, play the tape back using headphones so as to hear the quieter sounds... listen for whispers that are in answer to your questions. If you have a sound card you can patch your recording device into your computer and using appropriate software you can "clean up" the recording, removing static and amplifying the whispers you get.

The point of the excercise is to get some more direct answers from you visitor. I've heard some pretty amazing EVP recordings made by other people, though to be honest I haven't tried it myself... yet. Do let us know if you try this and what you hear. 


marinecomm  21 Dec 2004 
TaranRavenfrost, thank you for that interpretation. Usually when I try to interpret a spread I refer to several sources, but for some reason only consult one source for this spread. I bet if I went back and checked my other sources I would come up with pretty much the same thing you have. Although, it still doesn't answer the question of what I can do/what she wants me to do to help her.

Trogon, one of my housemates watches "Ghost Hunters" on Sci Fi channel I think it is so I am familiar with EVP. It is something to think about for when I have some extra cash to invest in it. Might be interesting to see what I come up with. 


firemaiden  21 Dec 2004 
This is an interesting thread. I guess I would read for a visiting entity just as I would read for any person (or cat, or turtle for that matter). (Does one have to ask their permission?)

I'd like to know what might I do to help it find peace, release - and fly away. If it is indeed still grief-stricken, as the swords cards suggest, see if you can cheer it up. Perhaps it will help to see if you can ressurect its sense of humour. I'd read it some Dave Barry books and hope that it starts to laugh so hard that it floats away. 


TemperanceAngel  21 Dec 2004 
firemaiden wrote:

I'd like to know what might I do to help it find peace, release - and fly away. If it is indeed still grief-stricken, as the swords cards suggest, see if you can cheer it up.

Yes, the spirit needs to be sent to the light so they can be healed. Their time has passed on Earth and they have to move on. It would be great to send them healing: love and compassion... 


The How do I converse with ghosts? thread was originally posted on 15 Dec 2004 in the Using Tarot Cards board, and is now archived in the Forum Library. Read the active threads in Using Tarot Cards, or read more archived threads.

 
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