End Of The World
Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 06 Jan 2005, and now archived in the Forum Library.
| Emiac |
06 Jan 2005 |
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As we all know, there are many prophecies and predictions that fortell the doom of mankind in the Years 2000. The day of judgement is near and bad people will be chucked into hell blah blah blah...
According to Nostradamus, we were supposed to have been dead a few years ago.
And now, there's a warning of an upcoming nuclear haulocaust in the year 2006 (which probably has something to do with North Korea, but anyway, that's politics).
The thing is that, I'd like to see these predictions (approved or disproved) from Tarot Readers for a change. Since that the whole thing works for the majority of us, then why not try and do a combined prediction, collecting together the wisdom of hundreds of great Readers worldwide.
Once we have them, we'd be able to discern which sort of 'end o' the world' predictions come more dominant, thus giving a more accurate validation.
We'd call it, 'THE MASS SUPER-DUPER END O' THE WORLD TAROT READING'!
How about it? Would some wise Guru like to give it a try?
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| RedMaple |
06 Jan 2005 |
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There is no end of the world. The one prayer I have kept with me from my early Catholic upbringing goes ".....as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end." Amen.
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| DarkElectric |
06 Jan 2005 |
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Can we post em' all in the Weekly World News?
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| HudsonGray |
06 Jan 2005 |
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Depends on what the end is supposed to be. Unless the planet physically is destroyed, the world will be here till it's sucked into the sun or something, regardless of what condition on the Earth's surface is. We may not last, but the World will.
Funny, while the Aztecs/Incans/Mayans had an 'ending' (which we passed already), the Native Americans don't (I think they have a renewal of the old ways coming but no destruction). Must be a cultural thing?
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| Sophie-David |
06 Jan 2005 |
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There is no end of the world. The one prayer I have kept with me from my early Catholic upbringing goes ".....as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end." Amen. Thank you for that RedMaple, I had never thought of that prayer that way before.
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| other |
06 Jan 2005 |
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How do we define the "end of the world?" I don't belive the world can ever really end, but I also don't believe we can go on living this way forever, dumping into landfills, building over every square inch, disposing of every piece of technology within the year it's mass-produced, etc.
I'm not preaching as much as it sounds (I'm a conservationist at heart, but an American girl who generates more paperwork than I probably need!). I belive in apocalyptic happenings (which I consider the recent Tsunami disaster to be) as opposed to "THE" apocalypse.
If predicting the future were that simple and absolute, we'd all be making big bucks reading Tarot for policy-makers in Washington!!
:D
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| NeXoRiouS |
06 Jan 2005 |
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I did this reading a few days ago after reading www.johntitor.com, not to confirm if he is real but based on what he said does have some point. Thus I did this reading and I heisitated on posting up here. Well since you've started this first. I might as well post it here. I won't explain as its the answer is very obvious.
Will there be a civil war in America in 2005?
Celtic Cross
Issue: The Sun
Obstacle: The Lovers
Base: Knight of Swords
Recent Past: The Chariot
Goals: The Heirophant
Near Future: King of Swords
Attitude: 7 of Pentacles
Environment: Queen of Coins
Hopes/Fears: 6 of coins
Outcome: King of Cups
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| HANDMAIDEN MI |
06 Jan 2005 |
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The worldwide religious group of the Psychics, using the Tarot to learn, and also astrology and channelling, have predicted the causes of the .. end of the world as we know it. The disaster is predicted as a meteorite coming out of space at mcsquared to the linear lines from Pluto off the high algebraec equation of time and space!
I think one must study Nostradomas for his obtuse revelations, as much as the book of revelation in those silly old scriptures!
Actually, this could be done with Tarot, but the answer is the question, and the question is what we don't have. For example do an experiment, what do you exactly ask for such a prediction? Different decks have different dialects, how can and will you read the answer. Looking for a date? Looking for a year... there are many ways to track time around the sun, are you actually defining time based on the birth of Christ? Or maybe not? Did you know they really aren't sure when Christ was born after all? So, the language of your deck is going to ... count, n'est pas?
Good theory question... throw out your layouts and write down all your answers, but more than that.... think of the question. It is a most profound question to be thought, n'est pas?
Ms Ae
An Apprentice
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| HANDMAIDEN MI |
06 Jan 2005 |
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Citizen Nex,
First you do not express the movement of the cross in your celtic. It is made by center, the cross, above, below, beside left, beside right, the staff that goes up in the four to outcome. You need to present within a "same page" format. If I were to read that spread, the Sun card crossed by the lovers would be enough to tell me that... optimism with relationships. No civil war here except struggles with opinion and money as the rest of the spread revealed.
I do so want to know your intrepretation as... nothing is ever obvious without a mind to prove it.
Merci,
Ms. Ae
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| Cerulean |
06 Jan 2005 |
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That is, the world as we knew of it's past, is said to have ended already:
http://www.hermetic.com/webster/crowley-thelema.html
Using the Thoth deck in this context might be a more modern parallel to this day and age, to some of the Western minds.
I just mentioned it because it's one link of tarot and end of the world theories...may add some interesting texture to your thoughts, I hope.
Best wishes,
Cerulean
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| Ivy Rhiannon |
07 Jan 2005 |
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Great idea Emiac! I would love to do this...just need to know one thing first! Are we talking about the end of the world from a religous or scientific point of view?
Hummm...what are some spreads we could use? Maybe a past life, and change it for a future event?
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| HANDMAIDEN MI |
07 Jan 2005 |
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Ha ha ha.
Why don't you write for a few days torturing yourself with that question?
Have a journal because your children would want this after your passing?
Do you have a nice script that one that I might read? The pen, and the thought. Prove what you think.. I can't wait to hear!!!!
Ms.Ae
Apprentice and breathless thinking.
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| Fudugazi |
07 Jan 2005 |
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Human beings will probably disappear one day, like all species. Our planet earth, our solar system might grow cold. But "the world"? The Universe will continue to expand and contract, in a never-ceasing breathing rythm.
As for "end of the world" predictions, I think they are tosh.
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| crystal cove |
07 Jan 2005 |
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I'm sure the dinosaurs thought the world came to an end millions of years ago, but it didn't. Life evolved into new forms and will continue to do so......
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| Ivy Rhiannon |
07 Jan 2005 |
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umm... a little hostility with the last three replies. This to me is just fun and games guys! Lighten up!
Crystal Cove I agree...yes the world did end for the dinosaurs millions of years ago! And it will end for human kind one day too. Now as for me I think it would be interesting to see how that happens...and what will become after it. ;)
And Helvetica, most end of the world "predictions" are tosh. Because they are religously based. Scientific theories tend to be more precise. LOL! :P I take that back... if we look at the science hundreds of years ago think about what we thought of our mere earth...flat, center of the universe, etc.
Oh well! I'm still up for the task...and I'll make sure to post my reading on here for you Handmaiden. :D
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| TheoMo |
07 Jan 2005 |
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Depends on what the end is supposed to be. Unless the planet physically is destroyed, the world will be here till it's sucked into the sun or something, regardless of what condition on the Earth's surface is. We may not last, but the World will.
Funny, while the Aztecs/Incans/Mayans had an 'ending' (which we passed already), the Native Americans don't (I think they have a renewal of the old ways coming but no destruction). Must be a cultural thing?
Actually, the Mayans believed that our current age (the 13th Age on their calender, IIRC) will end on December 21, 2012 on our Calender. And the Hopi have a prophecy -- what they call their "end times" or something like that -- which is supposed to occur when a number of criteria are met (cobwebs in the sky, rivers made of iron, that type of thing). If you do a google search with "Hopi" and "prophecy" I'm sure you can pull something up.
Do I believe the world will end in some cataclysmic armageddon? unlikely. Sure, *anything* is possible, but as someone else on this topic already mentioned, I think the real crises of the future will be human made. I am unsure how our earth will be able to handle us as a species, especially one where a small minority of people live a fabulous lifestyle of consumption while everyone else (as we all saw when that tsunami hit) lives in squalor. But that has to do with what we as humans do to each other, and very little to what prophecies, the stars, or even tarot can predict.
So if anything, maybe these predictions of 'end times' are just a way the ancients told us to aim to be better as a species, not to take advantage of each other, and so on. Nonetheless, i *would* still be curious to see what a reading for, say, the mayan calender date might look like ;)
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| HudsonGray |
07 Jan 2005 |
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Cobwebs in the sky....you mean like jet contrails?
Thinking on it, anyone born in the early 1800's would be so flabbergasted about what the world looks like now that they'd probably think THEIR world had ended. We've had so many things change in just the last 50 years alone, it makes you stop and think. They were still selling mules in downtown Milwaukee in 1920 according to an old phone book my grandmother has. I've got a cookbook from 1940 that has recipies for muskrat (as if you could get that from the butcher all the time!) and meats I don't even know what they are. Who eats raccoon, muskrat, beaver and possum anymore? On a regular basis that is--and a non-hunter to boot. Real sweatmeats aren't made with raisens & oranges... We've seen mass transit, space stations, doppler radar weather images, satelite tracking, virtual on the spot events as they happen around the world, and new diseases, plus lifelines going into the 90's for the average citizen.
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| HANDMAIDEN MI |
09 Jan 2005 |
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I might think that one could "see" futures of wars and why. Such weapons as there are today, biological for example, that the whole world could go to mass ruin. The cause and effect. I think about Nostradamus and his words and language, how disguise comes into the picture for some reason, and further the book of revelation which uses symbology for "end o' world" prophecies with the disclaimer not everbody can "get it". Sigh. Using the Tarot, I think the psychic needs to specialize in a deck that lists formulae, numbers, and images that speak into that. Cayce went under self hypnosis for his "readings" wide awake Tarot psychics would probably have to fine tune the diving process.. ie, setting language parameters. Therefore working with a language that can SPEAK in the terms we need we could begin the knowledge flow questions that would tell us, of war, who what when how. I don't know sounds like a whole lifes work to me, I think the way I pursued the abstract was starting with a broad question, then study, study, study that answer until you know the next.. powerful question that would follow... ah like a thread.
Is this a funny question? If the answer is real, what does it actually mean.
Is it possible to divine lotto numbers with Tarot, and if so how?
Center: Universe, covers
Above: 7 cups
Below: 9 cups
Side left: 8 cups
Side right: Justice
Intrepretation of course is levelled by intuitive talents. There might be the answer, who understands it? I'll bet the intrepretation would be different for every individual out there that would do so. So, until the Tarot psychic can get the link with others, thought and language, we would be in a conununundrrum to get the same answers. I would do some wild thing like make a correspondence tarot with all the symbols of revelation and physics and natures of peoples. And more stuff.
Perhaps even some of our brethren mystic magics are out there SEEKING this very end of the world question.. hmmmmmmmmmmm with Tarot already.
I do like to joke on though, sorry.
Ms. Ae
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| firemaiden |
09 Jan 2005 |
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I don't know if Emiac did intend this to be a joke, did you Emiac?
If it was a serious question, my serious answer is, it would be far more productive to ask questions like "how can we best nurture the planet?"
Bye the way, "hostility" to ideas is allowed.. as long as it focusses on the idea, not the person (I also think the obsession of religious fanatics with predicting the "End of the World" is now, and has always been "tosh").
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| Greyling |
09 Jan 2005 |
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While many of us may be averse to the idea of "religious maniacs" sounding the taratantara of the End of the World, if we look at it from a different viewpoint--the fact that our Earth is unbalanced, the fact that worlds within our world end without ceremony every day--the idea becomes much easier to grasp, and much more frightening.
In fact, it would seem that the Haindl gabs about little else. :)
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| Fudugazi |
09 Jan 2005 |
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And Helvetica, most end of the world "predictions" are tosh. Because they are religously based. Scientific theories tend to be more precise. LOL! :P I take that back... if we look at the science hundreds of years ago think about what we thought of our mere earth...flat, center of the universe, etc.
Precisely. You made my point for me :)
Why is saying something is tosh hostile? I was quite zen when I wrote it. I think end of the world predictions are tosh, but I am not hostile to people who make them, or believe them, bless their little cotton socks, unless they use a loudspeaker or wake me up with an early morning call on Sundays.
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| Ivy Rhiannon |
09 Jan 2005 |
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Why is saying something is tosh hostile? I was quite zen when I wrote it.
First off I was bored to tears when I replied, and was only kidding no less! I must have read your reply wrong...still my appologies if anyone was taking it seriously.
Oh btw I'm not a morning person either, LOL! :P
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| Sinner |
09 Jan 2005 |
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ok, my friend and I have done this recently before I saw this post:
we took the death spread that tells you when a certain person will die and altered it to fit the Earth.
Long story short, we worked out that the world will end in 1,700 years time from 2005.
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| HANDMAIDEN MI |
10 Jan 2005 |
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Sinner, I would be thrilled, yes thrilled to get your death spread, plus any chance you might post your layout from that question? Please please? This is exactly what I came to Aeclectic Tarot 4. If you could put it on the thread I would also be love/thrill/happy/excited tres beaucoupish.
The show Medium for us Americans is a new idea that psychics have legitimacy for their gifts.. that oh yes.... the conscious development of the human mind is up, up, and AWAY!!!!!!! The "crime solving" specialty.
What is in a name? I would wish to see YOUR layout and especially to see and learn how it's meaning and discernment came to be and if I.... humble psychic Tarot Reader could DO THE SAME. Private message, also thrilling.
Yippie!!
Ms. Ae
Big time Apprentice and Seeker
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| Emiac |
10 Jan 2005 |
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To be honest, I wasn't expecting anybody to ramble on about how dumb the question was, but rather to just throw together a half-arssed reading and take the p*ss! (He-he-he!)
Many people here seem to be confused as to what the 'end o' the world' actually means.
Well, as we know, the earth is gonna properly perish at around 5 billion years later, due to the expansion of the sun. So what I really mean when I say 'the end o' the world, is - 'the obliteration of the HUMAN RACE'...(literally)
well, that's how I see it as anyway!
And concerning the time at which these events might take place, -different people have different methods of telling, (just like different people have different ways of interpreting) the variation of everything is just practically limitless - that's why I suggested the idea of doing a Super Mass reading in the first place, so that we could compare ideas (not like I'd personally sit through them all and scrutinise every single prediction! :-) ) but it seems that people are too critical about the whole thing to even bother!
(Not being moany, but the attitude towards the potential of Tarot here seem to be pretty unfaithful. Yeah, I do agree with things like 'you can't predict the lottery numbers with tarot', but with this sort of thing, it's different, because humans play a massive role in it, unlike the lottery where all comes down to plain luck. And supposedly, if a reading has a pure selfish intent, then the 'divine thingimijig' is supposed to get really pi**ed off and not help you at all..!)
*PS. If any English-uns are here, then just in case you'd like to know, for my GCSE MOCK results, I got an A for English, A for science, and B for Maths and Stats! Wahoo!*
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| Fudugazi |
10 Jan 2005 |
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Well, as we know, the earth is gonna properly perish at around 5 billion years later, due to the expansion of the sun. So what I really mean when I say 'the end o' the world, is - 'the obliteration of the HUMAN RACE'...(literally)
[...] And concerning the time at which these events might take place, - [...] (Not being moany, but the attitude towards the potential of Tarot here seem to be pretty unfaithful. Yeah, I do agree with things like 'you can't predict the lottery numbers with tarot',
I drew a few cards:
X- the Wheel of Fortune.
So it's going to happen when the monkey falls off (your biology GSCE might suggest to you - by a process of lateral thinking - that means when evolution comes to a dead end)
Will evolution come to a dead end?
XIIII- Temperance. Not yet. But we are messing with nature, mixing species, getting rid of many more, cloning ourselves and others.
So what will that lead to?
V-the Pope
A passage to a higher spiritual realm. OR: A tightening of the rules, a religious backlash.
Will any of this lead to the monkey falling off?
VIII of batons - So far, things are in balance. Ask again in 8 months' time.
What do the cards have to say to Emiac, about this question?
King of Swords - seek out a senior scientist to answer you.
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| miss_apples |
11 Jan 2005 |
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Id rather not dwell on when the end will come, Id rather think about what will go on while we are here.
However I will pull one card for the situation using my goddess tarot :)
Wow I got the wheel of fortune with Goddess Lakshmi. Didnt a couple of you others get this card too? This tells me that our world is going to keep turning and turning until our "luck runs out" so to speak. I am also getting from this that Lakshmi is saying that there is no need to worry about the end at the moment, as it will keep running and running. :)
Of course that doesnt say what the quality of living we experience in the near future will be, just that our human exsistance will keep going for a long while.
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| Emiac |
11 Jan 2005 |
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....no offense here right, but whot's with all the monkeys? - I just don't gerrit...
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| miss_apples |
11 Jan 2005 |
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monkeys lol, reminds me of an episode of this cartoon called Fairly Odd Parents and then a little clip in the movie "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" Where monkeys overimpower humans and take over the world. Maybe thats what all the monkeybusiness (no pun intended) is about. Maybe the monkeys are planning to take us over, and thats when the human world as we know it will end :)
I would like to say that I am completly joking and not to be taken seriously :)
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| Fudugazi |
11 Jan 2005 |
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....no offense here right, but whot's with all the monkeys? - I just don't gerrit...
take out a wheel of fortune card from the Tarot de MARSEILLE.
GERRIT?
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| Sinner |
11 Jan 2005 |
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Sinner, I would be thrilled, yes thrilled to get your death spread, plus any chance you might post your layout from that question? Please please? This is exactly what I came to Aeclectic Tarot 4. If you could put it on the thread I would also be love/thrill/happy/excited tres beaucoupish.
The show Medium for us Americans is a new idea that psychics have legitimacy for their gifts.. that oh yes.... the conscious development of the human mind is up, up, and AWAY!!!!!!! The "crime solving" specialty.
What is in a name? I would wish to see YOUR layout and especially to see and learn how it's meaning and discernment came to be and if I.... humble psychic Tarot Reader could DO THE SAME. Private message, also thrilling.
Yippie!!
Ms. Ae
Big time Apprentice and Seeker
Handmaiden, I am overwhelmed by your enthusiasm (or was that sarcasm? :p )
I wonder if anyone else would be interested in a death spread, it could turn out to be quite complicated..
I'm sure theres a few ethical issues to deal with aswell...
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| WalesWoman |
12 Jan 2005 |
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One thing about predicting the end of the world...if you are right...who will be left to congratulate you on your accuracy and will you have time to get the satisfaction of knowing you were right? ;D
My son turned me onto...yes, there really is http://www.armageddon.com/
and it was a riot...pages and pages of documentation of different groups, prophecies, etc. who were sure the world was ending from as far back as one can go and I"m sure man kind has been sure the world was ending since the beginning of awareness, otherwise why would there be so many religions and needing something to believe in?
Ok, I'm guilty myself of looking at prophecies and trying to keep my cool, when I see them happening or fulfilling themselves. but what can you do? Since no one can prepare for every eventuality, I have decided that my time will come when it will and in the meantime live my live as if I have a very long and wonderful future, yet be aware...live fully as if there may not be a tomorrow. That no matter where I am or how the end comes, I will have been where I wanted to be, doing the things I enjoy and want to do with the ones I love best and will leave this world happy to have gotten to experience this life. What else can you do?
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| Emiac |
12 Jan 2005 |
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I dunno...
If I'm gonna die soon I'd just like to know, I'm only 15 and I don't see how doing exams is making good use of my time...heh-heh-heh...
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| Emiac |
12 Jan 2005 |
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I don't care if you call me thick, but I still don't get all the stuff about the Wheel of Fortune and monkeys comming out of the pack an' all...
*(Pssstttt, I don't have the 'Tarot de MARSEILLE')*
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| HANDMAIDEN MI |
12 Jan 2005 |
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I mean all that enthusiasm... not sarcastic in the least bit, I would love to see that death spread, see the houses of meaning set, how the number came out...how it was intrepreted.
I suspect that if the "world" were to end, life as we know it, human existence it would be a dominoe of disasters, it would take... time. Nostradomas (sp) had a prediction of the 3rd world war coming out of the middle east. Symbology in scripture.. revelation shows wars... which is where armegeddon, the name and "vision" originates. Now we look for it in signs, sign of this, sign of that.. Wheel of Fortune appears to be the symbol in the expression of this answer... did your death/earth spread get a wheel of fortune in it?
The hard part of predicting something and being... right... is that it wouldn't be beleived. The psunami for example, there was an alarm sent out by a meterologist and he was "ostracized" for it by his government.. Thailand. They knew for a full hour that a wave was coming but the weather center or whatever they have didn't send out ... anything... because they didn't want to upset the ... tourist industry or get the government angry...
Even with the TRUTH in our hands doesn't mean we have any power to warn or affect any land on earth.
To know the future like this means one sets about to change it, or wants to or tries to save lives. Honestly I think that the human mind is evolving into an expansive psychic instrument. New Age, here we are. When it happens, however it happens... disaster for life.. there will be a mass conscious awakening and what the few might know now... it will be like an exponent and these outcomes will simply appear in dreams, and meditations and all manners of psychic network connections. Power of the people, the future is fluid and can be changed by choices. If it were to be a meteorite from space I think the human race, the collective consciousness would feel it from a light year away.
Ms. Ae
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| Indigo Rose |
12 Jan 2005 |
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...
Even with the TRUTH in our hands doesn't mean we have any power to warn or affect any land on earth...
Ms. Ae
I can remember as a young girl fretting about the end of the world, when I first learned of this concept. As time has gone on, it seems each passing year points us in the direction of Biblical prophecy regarding this fate. Yet, I have found myself less fearful of this because I see that one way or another death awaits us all. This is not to say I am complacent, I am just accepting that much is beyond our control.
Since my father's death last March my life has changed dramatically. I have been faced with the reality of my own mortality. This is where my faith has been tested. I have gone through a wildnerness spiritually, and found myself challenging long held beliefs. Yet, one thing has remained constant for me: my belief that the soul is eternal. I know this body my soul inhabits right now is a temporary vessel. My hope is to use this body to fulfill my soul's mission on this earth. The greatest mission I can see is to LOVE one another. That is what Jesus taught during His time on this earth. I know that other religions have LOVE as their central theme as well; which demonstrates the universal meaning behind the word. IT IS the essence of our CREATION!
How ever much time we all have left, my prayer is that we will come together as one people to reach this highest calling of loving one another. The surviving victims of the Tsunami need our love, support, and our prayers.
Blessings,
Indigo Rose :)
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| HANDMAIDEN MI |
19 Jan 2005 |
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Hey there, I really would like to see that spread, the death one with the earth and all... my enthusiasm has not waned. Gee, what was I doing at 15? Reading my Mother's astrology books mostly. We can learn so much more so much faster at this day and age. I suspect the upset of civilization and life will be a combination of wars and ozone dominoe destruction disasters. I think, like cockroaches, we humans will survive it all. But I do think we are evolving minds and the psychic powers of the mind are coming forth... the new age. So let me know guys on that spread!
Ms. Ae
Apprentice
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| Sinner |
19 Jan 2005 |
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would it be ok if I sent you a PM?
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| rota |
10 May 2005 |
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I ran across this webpage in relation to Fulcanelli. It seemed very interesting and germane to some of the discussion threads here at Aeclectic, but I didn't know where exactly to place it. It's a rumination on alchemy and the famous Cross of Hendaye as it relates to time measurement and human history: http://www.jayweidner.com/2012Topology.html
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| Statickitten |
10 May 2005 |
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Sinner could you PM it to me also? I would love to see it.
-Static
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| mike gorth |
10 May 2005 |
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Depends on what the end is supposed to be. Unless the planet physically is destroyed, the world will be here till it's sucked into the sun or something, regardless of what condition on the Earth's surface is. We may not last, but the World will.
Funny, while the Aztecs/Incans/Mayans had an 'ending' (which we passed already), the Native Americans don't (I think they have a renewal of the old ways coming but no destruction). Must be a cultural thing?
Just to let everyone know, it isn't possible for the earth to get sucked into a black hole that used to be the sun. The sun has to be massive enough which it isn't so...
But anyway, I'd love to join in even though I'm not a proffesional, I could still try and would love to.
Maybe just as another idea, we could bring other forms of divination into this. Like astrology, i-ching, numerology....whatever. Just a suggestion.
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