The New Universal Atrributes.

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 18 Feb 2005, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Mayet	18 Feb 2005
Aleister crowley was not taken seriously by many of the occultist or truth seekers of the early 1900's This is unfortunate because between his ramblings and off course red herrings, he had actually broken enough ground to leave footprints easy enough to follow. He was correct in a much of what he had to say but whether he actually knew exactly what he was saying leaves much to conjecture. Many people have claimed over time to be Crowleys "Heir" or the "Child" but none have shown to be on the path of truth and all have been swayed by the famous red herrings that Aleister was so famous for. I am me, I am not special, I am the mother of six children who worked hard to decipher the clues left behind. I sat on this for ten years, as I was told by many of the dangers of publication, including personal danger to myself. I don't call myself a master or believe that I know more, I know what I know but I also know how much i don't know which is a hell of a lot. What can I say, don't shoot the messenger. I sat with the attributes for over ten years but now it is time to have them released as "The Law is for ALL'. My next step is to have this published in hard copy for occultists the world over to use in their works. I posted the attributes to the golden dawn forum but found ....I was censored and my post did not make the list, so i tried again, and again censored. To my mind I can see how an organisation so large may be a tad scared to admit the new attributes which kinda prove in their simplicity that the previous ways are not quite correct and kinda throws a spanner in their works. The law is For All For thousands of years man has looked to the heavens for answers to the deep mysteries. Why is the sky Blue, Why is the Grass. How is Air, what is fire and it's action of movement on the other elements and most of all, why am I here. In ancient times, it is believed that these keys were held by humanity. The mystery of the Great pyramids of Egypt combined with many other ancient mysteries, show the ancients had some knowledge not known to us today. Stories filter through many of the ancient societies of lost knowledge, libraries destroyed and secret societies going underground to bring knowledge through to today. So what was the true story? Maybe we will never know exactly what did happen to this knowledge or why it disappeared but now right here you will find some of that lost Knowledge. The Mayet Manuscript. The Fire Water Child Copyright Margaret Holborow 21.11.19-66 Author can be contacted (email removed by moderator) The New Millenium Attributes. The law is For All Because of formatting and layout contraints i have uploaded a copy of the manuscript to the net so that it can be read in all it's simplicity rather than posting it all in this post. (url removed by moderator) Edit ..sorry peoples I did not realise that I could not post url's. If you click the link on all my posts at the bottom where it says website it will take you directly to the manuscript..........

jmd	18 Feb 2005
As a matter of interest, it should be pointed out that Mayet's 'website' does not take one there, but instead begins the download of a MS Word file - file types that are notorious for virus infestations. It would perhaps be quite useful to read in this thread how your correlations are at variance with Crowley's own, Mayet. How his are at variance with those of the GD is already well published and widely discussed. For example, do you tend to generally agree with the correlation between Alef and the Fool? and what about Tzaddi, to which card do you prefer allocation? Following Crowley's views? I am, as implied by my opening paragraph, quite relunctant to allow the full file to be downloaded (even with updated virus checking software), but your thoughts are of course welcome, especially, in my personal opinion, if they also bring to light a broadened perspective as to how correlations may be worked. Unlike the Golden Dawn (which is after all an Order with very specific teachings, there to be mastered, not altered), Aeclectic brings a broad range of perspectives - my own, as further example, agreeing with neither the GD's nor Crowley's.

Mayet	18 Feb 2005
Yes I do realise that the file is a word doc and people are suspicious of virus. What i have done is uploaded the manuscript as a web page to one of my domains and it is now accessable by using the website link at bottom of my posts. Alef and the fool is an interesting part of the works The fool and the magician conbine to make 01 not two separate entities. 01 11 21 Trinity 11 the father 01 the son 21 the holy ghost. At least they are the correlations i have so far placed. I didn't get caught up to much in too much of what Crowley was leaving behind as clues because of his lovely red herrings but I do remember his line "all of my attributes are correct but Tzaddi is not the star. My head twisted in circles for months over this line until I came to another "clue" in the tetragrammaton, if you turn the word backwards you get my name in it, Margaret, only the e and t are swapped. My middle name Ruth means vision or mirror, so from one point in my movements I interchanged the t and e and it started falling into place. Either I was crazy (which with six kids I am totally mad) or I was finding clues in my name and birthdate. Crowley changed Justice and called it Adjustment, at first i wondered if that was because he had adjusted it or was it because there was another adjustment to do. That was one of my starting points the movement of Adjustment from it's typically assigned Libra, to scorpio. Art, another cards famoulsy changed in name by Crowley clearly has a white lion and red eagle on the card, lust although having the lion making it appear to be leo clearly didn't fit in that spot until I looked closely at the changes on Art and popped art into Leo's spot on the zodiac belt or circle. I have posted it below but the formatting just doesn't work and makes it harder to see. The Mayet Manuscript. The Fire Water Child Copyright Margaret Holborow 21.11.19-66 The New Millenium Attributes. The Teragram - Earth Message Comment on old attributes None of this following table makes much sense as you may notice. The numbers do not form any particular pattern or theme. Please study this system for a bit before you view The Teragram or Mayet System. old Attributes based on all previous Tarot Versions Fire 4 11 14 29 Earth 5 9 15 29 Air 6 8 17 31 Water 7 13 18 38 22 41 64 127 Aries Fire 4 Emporor Taurus Earth 5 Hierophant Gemini Air 6 Lovers Cancer Water 7 Chariot Leo Fire 11 Lust Virgo Earth 9 Hermit Libra Air 8 Justice Scorpio Water 13 Death Sagitarius Fire 14 Temperance Capricorn Earth 15 Devil Aquarius Air 17 Star Picses Water 18 Picses The Teragram Trinity The trinity 01 11 21 well that was easy but yet the last of the work completed so far to be deciphered and yet it is born of my own birthdate Arcana Zodiac Planet Element Number Planet Magus Mercury 1 1 Pos Priestess Venus 2 2 Neg Empress Earth 3 3 Neg Emporor Aries Fire 4 Positive Hierophant Taurus Earth 5 Negative Lovers Gemini Air 6 Postive Chariot Cancer Water 7 Negative Adjustment Scorpio Water 8 Negative Hermit Mars 9 4 Pos Fortune Libra Air 10 Positve Lust Jupiter 11 ******** Hanged Man Virgo Earth 12 Negative Death Saturn 13 5 Neg Art Leo Fire 14 Positive Devil Sagitarius Fire 15 Positive Tower Capricorn Earth 16 Negative Star Aquarius Air 17 Positve Moon Pisces Water 18 Negative Sun Uranus 19 6 Pos Aeon Neptune 20 7 Pos Universe Pluto 21 8 Neg The Teragram Zodiac Circle New Major Arcana Attributes for the Zodiac Circle please compare with old mathematical attribute chart Above or the 33º of the universe Added Fire 4 14 15 33 Positive Earth 5 12 16 33 Negative Air 6 10 17 33 Positive Water 7 8 18 33 Negative 22 44 66 132 Each element and all lines add up to 33 the total of the zodiac circle, being 132 out of the full Major Arcana circle of 231. The first four signs of each element add to 22 The second signs of each element add to 44 The third signs of each element add to 66 showing once again the perfect balance of the numbers. Notice the patterns of double numbers in the results. Pay close attention also to the perfect balance of differences between the numbers. Each difference adds up to 11 in a perfect forward and reverse pattern again and the mirror images of the negative - positive are also perfectly balanced, showing a perfect enclosed circuit system. These algorithms and numbers perform a perfect energy field. Diff Fire 4 10 14 1 15 Diff 11 33 Between Numbers Earth 5 7 12 4 16 Diff 11 33 in white Air 6 4 10 7 17 Diff 11 33 Water 7 1 8 10 18 Diff 11 33 adds to > 22 44 66 132 Planet Circle Partner Plan Num Energy Card Sex ICHING Mercury 1 Positive 1 Male Heaven Pluto 8 Negative 21 Female Earth 9 Added 22 Venus 2 Negative 2 Female Thunder Neptune 7 Positive 20 Male Wind 9 Added 22 Earth 3 Negative 3 Female Mountain Uranus 6 Positive 19 Male Lake 9 Added 22 Added Mars 4 Positive 9 Male Fire Saturn 5 Negative 13 Female Water If the system was positive negative positive negative and so on then it would collapse on its self if you look at a picture of a electromagnetic field, this is what you are looking at......... There is more to this part of the system including colours , Egyptian Gods, I Ching, Music Octave and more The Sun ] Mer Ven Earth Mars [ jupiter ] Saturn Herschel Neptune Pluto [aethyr ___ _ _ ___ ___ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ _ _ ___ _ _ ___ _ _ _ _ heaven thun mount fire water lake wind earth ma fe fe ma fe ma ma fe 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1 [______________________________ ______________________________]8 =9 2 [_______________________ __________________________]7 =9 3 [_______________ ______________]6 =9 4 [_________ _________]5 =9 The Circle of Nine Trinity 01 11 21 33 33 33 33 20 3 10 33 33 1 11 21 33 33 12 19 2 33

Fulgour	19 Feb 2005
quick notes while still reviewing... under Old Attributes from website: "Pisces Water 18 Pisces" (Moon) "Sagitarius Fire 14 Temperance" (Sagittarius) "Aries Fire 4 Emporor" (Emperor)

Fulgour	19 Feb 2005
Combining as you do, The Fool & The Magus, what happens, and how does this directly effect me personally: what do I do? You have the Signs of the Zodiac, in the 1 through 21 sequence, appear in order when placed, from Aries through Pisces, which I can see and understand, but I would like to ask about planets. The Sun (as the planet, not the card) is not in your attributions, which in sequence as they appear in cards 1 through 21 are as: Mercury Venus Earth Mars Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune Pluto It does make sense to have the Earth as an attribute, though it is a tricky job to fit it in, however far a stretch may needs be made to, (which in my case is a big one, but that's another story). But how do you reconcile omitting the Sun, as a direct attribution, in your overall pattern of correspondences? I don't see the Sun as The Sun, or the Moon as The Moon either, so I may be able to understand it and can even be sympathetic, but only with help as to this decision. Thanks, Fulgour PS: How did you select the order of your planets?

Fulgour	19 Feb 2005
I just realized you don't have the Moon listed either. Sorry if I'm getting confused... So the Moon & Sun are both not included in your planetary attributions. Again, help me out with this and let's see if I get it!

Mayet	19 Feb 2005
The planets are attributed it is just a bit hard to read in the above form and without full notes to accompany. Magus Mercury 1 1 Pos Priestess Venus 2 2 Neg Empress Earth 3 3 Neg Hermit Mars 9 4 Pos Lust Jupiter 11 (central Pillar.) Death Saturn 13 5 Neg Sun Uranus 19 6 Pos Aeon Neptune 20 7 Pos Universe Pluto 21 8 Neg and the moon...in one way..and there are many but the moon is like the child within the empresses womb..... I dont say too much about the moon in the attributes because it has always symbolised the mother negative energy the night. But the moon shines during the day, it is earthbound as part of our inner system more than the day night dark light male female. If the moon was positive it would collapse and unite with the earth like a magnet and if it was negative it would repel but the child of the system is neither negative nor positive. More like the picture of a cell with electrons.

Mayet	19 Feb 2005
Once upon a beaming planet shining brightly in the sky shining down reflected light from night there way up high. A line from a poem I wrote. The moon is also a mirror.

Fulgour	19 Feb 2005
In astrology, I have read where the Earth and Moon are described as being like a binary planet together. This makes sense and so then I thought what about the same for Mercury and the Sun: also a single pair?

Nina*	19 Feb 2005
I just heard the other day (in the News) that scientists are now prette sure they can prove that the moon originally was part of earth (and then was seperated because of a meteor or so...) :)

Fulgour	19 Feb 2005
The Moon and Earth are actually more attracted to the gravity of the Sun than they are to each other. And with Mercury, it is never more than 28 degrees away from the Sun, as we measure from the Earth.

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