What Tarot Cards Suggest That a Person Is a Victim Of A Witchcraft.

Thread originally posted on the Aeclectic Tarot Forum on 10 Apr 2005, and now archived in the Forum Library.

Adjustment	10 Apr 2005
I would like to know what series of cards would suggest that someone have done witchcraft to me in order to cause harm. i'm wondering since recently i went to see a clairvoyant who told me that someone used witchcraft to do me harm. it is very weird because last year i went trough a very negative heart breaking situation where everything went wrong for me. i know of a person that could be capable of doing so. i'm going to do a reading about it and i would like to know what cards are the warning cards for witchcraft. :confused:

Jaggedstar	10 Apr 2005
Not really good in subject but I hope the best of luck towards you!

ncefafn	10 Apr 2005
Tara, the only witchcraft that's been done to you was by that so-called clairvoyant. Think about how much negative energy has been generated within your life since her "reading." You're obsessing about this heartbreaking experience that's in the past now, you're obsessing about who it was who's "out to get you," you're feeling victimized and helpless. That's pretty dark magic right there. And before seeing this clairvoyant, you knew this heartbreaking situation had happened to you. Maybe you were looking for someone or something to blame, or maybe you weren't. But now that clairvoyant has awakened that pain in your heart as fresh as if it had happened yesterday, and added the negativity of blame, paranoia, fear, anger. The fact is that heartbreaking things happen to all of us, because that's just the way life is. Sometimes bad things happen and sometimes good things happen. Let it go. Even if there was witchcraft involved, you never would've known about it without the help of this so-called clairvoyant. So what good has she brought to your life? It's people like that who give honest psychics, intuitives, and others like us bad names. If this clairvoyant gave you a business card, put it in the freezer for one week. See if your heart doesn't feel lighter. Respectfully, Kim

Alta	10 Apr 2005
Well, to the contrary, I think you can be harmed psychically. But I do not know what cards would suggest that.

peridot	10 Apr 2005
Hi Tara Deck, Well, I don’t know a lot about witchcraft at all and I’m very much a novice here at Tarot, hope you don’t mind - I decided to ask the cards your question. The card I got was the Queen of Wands Reversed. From what I understand this could indicate a dangerous schemer. What I find particularly interesting, is looking further into a book I’m reading “Tarot Reversals” by Mary Greer… I’ll quote it... “At the Shamanic and magical level, this is the card of the shaman/sorceress with her spells, charms, and enchantments, chants and incantations. She also represents the fiery, destructive, and predatory forces of Nature, which are necessary to thin or decrease excessive growth.” So, this may be a card that answers your question according to this particular book… hope this helps….

kettle	10 Apr 2005
Hi, I'm sorry you've had such a rotten experience, but I DO agree with Kim, that reader - well what ever she was she picked on someone so vulnerable, and abused you. Your trust and your hope. I also agree with leaving something in the deep freeze. Did you get a tape of the reading? Put that it, won't do the tape a bit of good, but will lighten your load. You know I went to a VERY well known person before I got into tarot etc and she was absolutely spot on with everthing to do with the souls/dead people in my life, didn't get a single thing wrong, yet when she read the cards and tried to tell me about my life she didn't get a thing right. It didn't matter to me, I took away the positive and left the negative behind. I also keep getting told about an absolute awful cruel reader in the area who has been doing readings for about 20 years, and she gets a real kick out of terrifying innocent people, yeah she's really cruel. She deliberately tells bad news in every reading she does. Once she read for a first time Mum and told her the baby was a girl who was going to be born without a face and a hole in it's body. The mother was hysterical, her baby son was born quite healthy. She told a man I knew he was going to die in 6 months of colon cancer, he was hysterical, his wife begged me do to a reading for them, and lo and behold, he didn't have colon cancer in my reading, but he was smoking and drinking and working 18 hours a day 6 days a week, I told him that was the negative part that was affecting his health and he should ease up, becuase other wise his body would make him. He didn't listen to me,and ended up HAVING to take time off, but not for colon cancer. My point is there are charlatans and people who get a kick out of hurting others in this business/area just as there is in other parts of life, you must learn from this experience and move on, find a reputable person and have another reading done, I think you might get a surprise. Also remember the rules of Karma, which if you're Christian is even in the bible "do unto others.." or What goes around comes around. I seriously live by that rule. And I KNOW that which that women deliberately gives out will come back to her 3 fold. So let her go, prise her grip off you, do a clensing ceremony if you think that'll help, and move forward, don't allow her to hold on to you any more. Hope my waffling has helped a bit. Regards Kettle.

WhiteRaven	10 Apr 2005
When I'm contemplating spellwork...and the intention is not what it should be for one reason or another....the HPriestess turns up in readings (rx)...and I do use rx when I'm looking into spellwork. This is the only time I usually use rx.... As to energies.....I will say this....the more you think about it, the more you talk and discuss it with others, the more energy you're putting into it and making it stronger. I know this isn't the easiest suggestion coming.....but just try and shut it out and carry on as you were before this encounter with the clairvoyant. She did you no favours by letting you leave with out some solid advice as to how to handle this. It is important that you don't feed it with your own energy....

HudsonGray	10 Apr 2005
I agree with the others that the Clairvoyant is at fault, not a potential hexer or crafter. At the very least she should have offered you a way to counter it. At worst, she wanted a return client. Any witch worth their studies knows that karmic kickback comes off stuff like this, so they don't use it. Negative energies are pretty easy to block, half of stopping them is refusing to accept that your body/person will be affected by anything sent to it with negative intent. The other half is to put up a simple shield to help protect. If you're interested I can post a URL for you that has an easy walk-through on how to put a shield up. They work great. Usually just the idea of a threat of something coming at a person allows it to actually DO harm--the victim spends so much stress and fear over it that it feeds off them BY them, making matters as bad as can be. There's no need for that! Things become a self fulfilling prophesy, of sorts, because you're the one doing all the work to make it be bad. Even if nothing was there to be sent to you in the first place. A run of bad luck usually is just that--bad luck, completely at random, not sent specifically to you.

Shade	10 Apr 2005
To answer your question The Magician Reversed, the Moon reversed, the Devil, the Queen of Swords, and the seven of swords. That being said you should really consider "Do I know anyone both capable of hexing and with the motive to hex me?" If you realy feel if you've got the evil eye on you a quick search on the net will review a plethora of hex-breaking spells and rituals, from sage smuding and sea salt to complex purification rites. Have some fun. If it reverses a curse, great. If it gets rid of the doubt that was placed in your mind by a clairvoyant, even better. Here's the ultimate test. After he or she told you that you were under a curse did they offer to remove the curse for a fee. If they did be VERY suspicious. If they told you the fees were for special candles prepared by your church you definatley have a charlatan. If they convinced you of ths curse by breaking a raw egg and finding black hair in it, yep you have a fraud, this technique is very popular among scam artists epscially those of Gypsy (or who claim to have) heritage. It was so popular a method it was even showcased on an episode of Dragnet. This is not to suggest that all Gypsy and Romani seers are fakes, this is just a popular con.

Thirteen	11 Apr 2005
I have to agree with a lot that has been said. Most especially that the Clairvoyant was at fault. If she's going to tell you you're hexed, then she should certainly tell you who's hexing you. If she can't supply more detail and info on how to deal with the problem, she's unreliable at best and you should perhaps burn the card instead of freezing it. Please take the suggestions offered here about questioning the clairvoyant rather than yourself or others. A good reader should offer you options to solve problems, not create them. FYI, for the future, please do not imply that anyone trying to do you harm, psychically or otherwise, is performing "witchcraft." The word "witch" means wise, and those who practice true craft would never use it for something as petty, dangerous and foolish as hexes. Hexes are, in the end, petty and stupid things. They are easily destroyed and erased by laughing at them and those who try to cast them. Be wiser than either the person you think is casting this hex, or the clairvoyant who foolishly tried to frighten you by telling you about it.

caridwen	11 Apr 2005
Quote: FYI, for the future, please do not imply that anyone trying to do you harm, psychically or otherwise, is performing "witchcraft." The word "witch" means wise, and those who practice true craft would never use it for something as petty, dangerous and foolish as hexes. I agree with this. A real 'witch' would never hex or do harm to others. As for cards, Yes, Queen of Wand reveresed for the uses of magick for bad reasons ie hex. Magician upright or reversed. This 'clairvoyant' sounds very dodgy to me. Literally take it with a pinch of salt. (Salt is very good for protection work) Use a shield as suggested here and send her bad energy back to her:)

Silaria	11 Apr 2005
Tara Deck wrote: ... a clairvoyant who told me that someone used witchcraft to do me harm. it is very weird because last year i went trough a very negative heart breaking situation where everything went wrong for me. i know of a person that could be capable of doing so. ... Let me add to the chorus of people saying not to believe that Clairvoyant. First off, curses and hexes only have as much power as you give them. Second of all, if this negative event happened last year and that person 'cused you' at that time, don't you think you'd have seen signs of it before some Clairvoyant said anything - either through your own insticts or via the cards? For those who argue that a "witch" wouldn't have done something like that because 'witch' means wise I can't really agree with that. Witch may mean wise but that doesn't mean there aren't unethical practitioners out there who don't follow a Rede or Creed. There are also other Magick practitioners that, like it or not, tend to be lumped under the name "witchcraft" even though they are not witches simply because poeple don't know better. Anyway, back on topic, Tara, don't waste any more of your energy on this. The more energy you channel into it the more likely you are to make it into a self-fullfilling prophecy; or curse in this case.

Adjustment	11 Apr 2005
:confused: The Ironic thing is that all the trouble that i went trough last year was caused by a person that is in the family, my life felt so much apart from family problems to a car accident in which i could have been killed i remember this person was the only one in the family that didn't even call or ask how i was doing after this car accident and was then during all this that was going on with my life that i got i little suspicious of that family member wondered if she has done something to me, this was back on July of last year and then to hear from the clairvoyant everything that happened to me last year in an snap-shot is very weird, he described everything to me the way it happend without me telling anything. Today I went to check my journal for all the readings that i did last year about my problems with this family member (she is my husband sister in law) and notice that all this card were in almost all of the readings, the magician reversed, the queen of wands reversed, the queen of swords reversed, the chariot reversed, the devil and the 7 of swords.

13thFaeChylde	11 Apr 2005
Shade wrote: Here's the ultimate test. After he or she told you that you were under a curse did they offer to remove the curse for a fee. If they did be VERY suspicious. If they told you the fees were for special candles prepared by your church you definatley have a charlatan. Oh, I ran into those years ago...felt like I needed some assistance in making a big decision, saw a house across the street from where I was getting some gas for the car. Went up and knocked and the woman practically dragged me in her house, saying she felt she had to do a reading for me immediately, even though I told her I didn't have the $10 in cash for the mini-reading...she said it was "urgent" that she do this right away. Told me someone had cursed me, and that to remove it there would have to be a statue made in my likeness out of beeswax in some church far away by monks. Ummmmm....okay....got out of there "quick as a wick!" (as my daughter likes to say). I was just happy I didn't have the $10 to give to her!!

Thirteen	11 Apr 2005
Silaria wrote: For those who argue that a "witch" wouldn't have done something like that because 'witch' means wise I can't really agree with that. Witch may mean wise but that doesn't mean there aren't unethical practitioners out there who don't follow a Rede or Creed. This is true, but let me tell you what I object to. No clarvoyant ever says, "There's a Christian praying to Jesus that bad things happen to you." Why? Because no one would ever worry about that. Why not? If prayer has power, why shouldn't one worry about others who are praying for bad things to happen to you? Because the bias says, "prayer is only used for good!" We know this isn't so. Yet people only worry about "hexes" which are, in the end, a person wishing harm on you. This is my point. Either these things have power across the board, or they don't. If they do, you need to worry all the time, because people will wish you ill however they can wish you ill whether it be on the "first star they see tonight," or in church or by sticking pins in a doll. "Witch" does not = evil person who hexes you. Witch means someone who has a certain view of the spiritual world. And while such people are just as capable as anyone else of wishing ill on others, they are no more capable of making it happen magically than anyone else is by any other divine method. Hence, I would appreciate it if the sterotype was laid to rest that witches (1) have more power to will harm on others than anyone else using equally "magical" methods, (2) are more likely to wish such harm on others, (3) are incapable of wishing/praying for good. The question asked in this thread serves, I think, to reinforce this negative sterotype. This is why I asked Tara Deck to be more circumspect in using that word. This Clarvoyant played on a fear that is rooted in a bad sterotype--erase the sterotype, make witches people instead of green monsters on broomsticks, and you erase the power of words like "Hex!" to scare you.

TrueStar	11 Apr 2005
I don't know what to think about wichcraft, black magic and such pratices. At least they prove the bad intention of the people who do them. I wish they never existed, but, as we all know, this things are in human nature. I have come across this things from time to time, for they are usual up to certain point here, where I live. I have heard many people talking about this subject very seriously for many (too much) times. People I know very closely were suposed to be object of some of this practices. I never got in trouble with this, luckly. I will only tell you what I know from other people. I suggest to you that if you are really worried and concerned with this issue, go to another practicer and ask him to look if he see any thing wrong. I wouldn't go to the same one who told you the first time that you have a problem of this kind, just to get another opinion and make yourself sure. Another suggestion. The practicer may ask you if, as well as cleaning your problem, you want to send the harm you have been done in return to the person who dealt it to you. I strongly suggest you not doing this: this things can get a repeating pattern of bad energy; the most important thing is to restore the balance of energy. Just go for your cleaning and some protection to prevent this will not happen again in the future.

Adjustment	11 Apr 2005
thirteen wrote: Hence, I would appreciate it if the sterotype was laid to rest that witches (1) have more power to will harm on others than anyone else using equally "magical" methods, (2) are more likely to wish such harm on others, (3) are incapable of wishing/praying for good. The question asked in this thread serves, I think, to reinforce this negative sterotype. This is why I asked Tara Deck to be more circumspect in using that word. This Clarvoyant played on a fear that is rooted in a bad sterotype--erase the sterotype, make witches people instead of green monsters on broomsticks, and you erase the power of words like "Hex!" to scare you.. Sorry if i have offended it anyone but the reading i got from the clairvoyant was in my native spanish language perhaps the word witchcraft isn't the word I should use to refer about someone trying to cause harm using a magical method but i didn't know how to translate it in one word. peridot wrote: Hi Tara Deck, Well, I don’t know a lot about witchcraft at all and I’m very much a novice here at Tarot, hope you don’t mind - I decided to ask the cards your question. The card I got was the Queen of Wands Reversed. From what I understand this could indicate a dangerous schemer. What I find particularly interesting, is looking further into a book I’m reading “Tarot Reversals” by Mary Greer… I’ll quote it... “At the Shamanic and magical level, this is the card of the shaman/sorceress with her spells, charms, and enchantments, chants and incantations. She also represents the fiery, destructive, and predatory forces of Nature, which are necessary to thin or decrease excessive growth.” So, this may be a card that answers your question according to this particular book… hope this helps…. Thanks Peridot, your reading make sense to me, i recall seeing this card (Queen of Wands Reversed) on some of my readings. HudsonGray wrote: I agree with the others that the Clairvoyant is at fault, not a potential hexer or crafter. At the very least she should have offered you a way to counter it. At worst, she wanted a return client. Any witch worth their studies knows that karmic kickback comes off stuff like this, so they don't use it. Negative energies are pretty easy to block, half of stopping them is refusing to accept that your body/person will be affected by anything sent to it with negative intent. The other half is to put up a simple shield to help protect. If you're interested I can post a URL for you that has an easy walk-through on how to put a shield up. They work great. Usually just the idea of a threat of something coming at a person allows it to actually DO harm--the victim spends so much stress and fear over it that it feeds off them BY them, making matters as bad as can be. There's no need for that! Things become a self fulfilling prophesy, of sorts, because you're the one doing all the work to make it be bad. Even if nothing was there to be sent to you in the first place. A run of bad luck usually is just that--bad luck, completely at random, not sent specifically to you. you are right i have been very stress out thinking about it, i have been trying to block this off my mind, i will follow your advice of no to believe that someone can cause me harm.

rainwolf	11 Apr 2005
I'd say a combo of at least three of the following: Magician R~misuse of power Ace of wands R~upside down wand The Devil~difficult imprisonment (this could also say that you are doing this to yourself as mentioned above because of a self-fulfilling prophesy The Hierophant R~in the thoth LWB, this is a meaning 8 of swords~binding/restricting/hexing I also wouldnt trust a "clairvoyant"-they dont always say what they feel, afterall, then need to make money and saying something like that would entice you to return for help, giving her $$$. How well do you know her?

Junia	12 Apr 2005
Hi, I am not a wiccan, but I do own Tarot of a Moon Garden Deck and book. There is a ritual to do with severing a negative situation, relationship or emotion. I believe that if you believe this is happening to you--it is (because your belief makes it so). I don't know how much I can legally print for this reversal from the book. If there is a moderator who reads this please let me know if I violate any rules. But here it goes paraphrased, "Use the four elements to sever the hold of a negative situation, relationship or emotion. On the night of a waning moon, take two metal containers, one small enough to fit into the larger. Use a black candle (small is okay), earth and water from around your home. Fill the bigger container with water and the smaller one with earth. Light your candle and secure it in the earth container (you can put it in the empty sink to keep from catching fire). Face all four corners starting with north, east, south and west. If you believe in God ask him or her in any form to remove the bad energy or spell from you. Allow the candle to burn out. Then on the night of the new moon, bury the earth and any left over wax near where you took the earth from and pour the water over it. In this way you do not return evil for evil but merely cancel out the bad." She further states that "Power that infringes on another's will is of the black art." --Karen Marie Sweikhardt. U.S. Games Systems, Inc., c1998. So don't send it back to her. If nothing else this should make you feel better. Remember that God in what ever form you believe in is more powerful than any force in this world. Pray for protection and use this spell reversal. Also, the shield advice from HudsonGray is good. I have heard of that one before. As I said I am not a wiccan, wise woman or witch; but I used this little ceremony a month ago and I felt better because someone was being mean to me. It made me stronger and now I don't give a hoot what that person does or says. You seem like a very sweet woman and these kind of people probably don't like you for it. They are the ones who are "sick". I hope that it helps you. Love and Cups of Nine, Junia

Fudugazi	12 Apr 2005
Thirteen wrote: This is my point. Either these things have power across the board, or they don't. If they do, you need to worry all the time, because people will wish you ill however they can wish you ill whether it be on the "first star they see tonight," or in church or by sticking pins in a doll. [...] "Witch" does not = evil person who hexes you. Witch means someone who has a certain view of the spiritual world. And while such people are just as capable as anyone else of wishing ill on others, they are no more capable of making it happen magically than anyone else is by any other divine method. Thanks for reminding us of that, Thirteen. I couldn't agree more. In Africa, were I lived, people used to believed hexes were daily occurences and all unpleasant reverses in life, as well as unexplained deaths, were attributed to hexes (and deaths were often unexplained because many people can't afford - or have no access to - medical doctors, but only to witch doctors). Some people I knew would counter hexes by going to see their pastor or priest (Protestant and Catholic) or imam and asking them for counter hexes. The Christians gave them holy water, the Muslims gave them verses of the Koran to wear around their necks. They believed it worked and were more at peace. I would ask some acquaintances - why am I not touched by hexes then? And they would answer - white folk aren't! You are protected by science. I found that immensely sad. What I am protected by is education and rationalism. This was definely a case when I was grateful for my rationalist Western education and by the fact that I do have access to medical doctors.

Junia	12 Apr 2005
"You are protected by science. I found that immensely sad. What I am protected by is education and rationalism. This was definely a case when I was grateful for my rationalist Western education and by the fact that I do have access to medical doctors." Originally posted by Helvectia. I too have been educated in Western Science. However, there is a lot of research being done in the area of Quantum Mechanics where matter at a certain level breaks down into such things as String Theory and what the woo woos (which are probably any of us who use Tarot or anything else are considered) consider crosses the psychic realm. There is an interesting movie now out on DVD called, "What the Bleep Do We Know". There are interviews with physicists and scientists from such laudable institutions as Harvard, MIT (I think was one), etc. Also there was a very good PBS production on String Theory and Quantum Mechanics. One of the suggestions is that thoughts are things. In what the Bleep there was an experiment done in Washington D.C. (the murder capital of the U.S.) where a large group of people meditated together and the murder rate went down considerably during that time period. I have to agree with the Moderator (Marion was it)? The psyche can be affected by other people. There was a time when I didn't believe in anything but hard cold science. If I still did I wouldn't believe in the Tarot. Also such people as Bernie Seigel(sp?), has done enough research into prayer and art methods in such books as, "Love, Medicine and Miracles" to prove that the thought has great power in the areas of illness and disease. The people that you mentioned in So. Africa believed in the curse and the cure. The person in this thread has obviously been very frightened. That is why I posted the above reversal. Those kinds of things do help if you believe that they do. It helped me get back a feeling of my own control and that was worth everything. I hope that it does the same for her. Obviously, we all care about her and want to help. Love and Cups of Nine, Junia

Fudugazi	12 Apr 2005
Junia wrote: There was a time when I didn't believe in anything but hard cold science. If I still did I wouldn't believe in the Tarot. Also such people as Bernie Seigel(sp?), has done enough research into prayer and art methods in such books as, "Love, Medicine and Miracles" to prove that the thought has great power in the areas of illness and disease. [...] Love and Cups of Nine, What a lovely signature! I don't believe in just hard cold science - that would be as daft making oneself permanently miserable at the thought of one's neighbours hexing us. As you say, the world is much stranger (and of course more wonderful) than we say. I am a great believer in various levels of truth (well, if I didn't I could read Tarot either...). There is a place for everything. But I was jolly glad I was also trained in rationalism when I was surrounded by extremely superstitious people in a foreign country where I could easily have been frightened out of my wits by some of the stories I was told. It was a case of mind over matter ;) Sometimes it really helps to say to oneself - that's just tosh, and I won't let it disturb me - and laugh it off. I can't think of a greater or more powerful reversal of hex than that.

Junia	12 Apr 2005
Well said Helvectia. You sound like a very sound reasonable and spiritual person! I hate it when fear gets the best of me. Love and Cups of Nine, Junia

lili	12 Apr 2005
I don't know if ill Wishing have any effect on people, i was ttrying to read about ill wishing on the internet and came across this weird site.http://zombies.monstrous.com/voodoo_zombies.htm http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt/Mczombies.html

rainwolf	12 Apr 2005
You could do a candle burning ritual too. Buckland has several books on this. I read that wiccan relates to the religion, and has morals that go with it, while witch is just a practice ("witchcraft"). It is a craft, not a belief, that works with magick and whatnot. This is just what i have read, and others may have their own personal views, so dont quote me and give me disaproval-this is just my opinion.

TemperanceAngel	12 Apr 2005
As someone who was a victim of some unpleasant magic at the end of last year, I can tell you that magic is very real and when sent in an unpleasant manner I find it to be very controlling. I have read this thread with interest and I must say that at the time when i looked at my cards (I read with RWS) they were very black looking (you know the ones?). But most prominent was The Devil, not that I see this as being Devil's work so to speak, but more to the stuckness I felt. I consulted someone who knew about magic and got rid of that awful energy it created around me. But one thing I did do was meditate (with white candle burning) and reflect it all back on the person involved.

Fudugazi	13 Apr 2005
TemperanceAngel wrote: I consulted someone who knew about magic and got rid of that awful energy it created around me. But one thing I did do was meditate (with white candle burning) and reflect it all back on the person involved. I still maintain that if you had decided that whatever it was tht was disturbing you (and there is no evidence for magic, only supposition) had no power and would have no power over you, you would have rid yourself of the disturbance. As someone else said in another thread - it's all a matter of intention.

Lady Mary	13 Apr 2005
I don't want to offend anybody here, but whenever I read about witchcraft, magick and curses put onto someone, I've never been able to understand why people who are "real bad", who are responsible for the killing of millions of people seem to be immune against ill-wishing as well as praying. We can see this if we look back at history and we see it in our days. So nobody ever bothered to put a curse onto them? And so many people (especially women) were burned on the stakes, prosecuted by the Holy Inquisition, falsely accused of witchcraft.

Fudugazi	13 Apr 2005
Well said Lady Mary!

jmd	13 Apr 2005
I have been unsure how to enter this thread, as it contains descriptions I would personally not have used. As mentioned by others, the term 'Witchcraft' has particular meanings in different contexts. Let me first then try and separate out some of the issues brought by Tara Deck in the opening post, and indulge me a little in telling a true story. Tara Deck mentions that she was told that someone had effectively worked magically in a negative way against her. As far as I'm concerned, and though it seems that there are some con-artists using such claims to also effectively steal from victims, there is no reason to assume that this is not possible. A person may indeed have (either consciously or not) generated energies of such a nature and strength as to cause harm to another, and a clairvoyant may have, also, effectively tuned into such and spoken this, without necessarily having been also able to determine the 'who done it'. I was many years ago asked via someone else to see if I could help a person who suffered consistent head-aches (I rarely do such things by the way, but the situation was such that I accepted). The person lived (and still lives) overseas (in a Melanesian island), and I had never met her, nor known what her age, etc, were. In the working, what became apparent is that another person had similarly performed some local shamanistic work to 'harm' the person, and I saw that the focus of the 'spell' (for want of a better word) resided in a small bone that was located on a shelf about belly-height within the entrance to the person's house. It so turned out that, unbeknownst to me at the time, her husband (who was the local hospital's main doctor) had amputated part of one of her fingers (which had become gangrenous), and was keeping it in formalhydrate for further tests on his next overseas visit. By getting rid of the same, her headaches disappeared (and she was still free of these a year afterwards when I checked many years ago). I mention this as I do not personally think that mere belief otherwise may prevent a 'powerful' shamanistic culture from imposing its current upon an individual. Again, that some charlatans have used the Tarot in similar tone does not take away from such things actually occuring. As to what cards in a reading may indicate such, I would suggest, perhaps but not necessarily, that XV the Devil (binding), combined with a card that may suggest a working against one's will (perhaps I the Bateleur reversed) and the Ace of Swords reversed. The type of harm would be indicated, perhaps but not necessarily, by yet another card (perhaps a four in the pips, the suit indicating how it may manifest in the individual).

Fudugazi	13 Apr 2005
jmd wrote: It so turned out that, unbeknownst to me at the time, her husband (who was the local hospital's main doctor) had amputated part of one of her fingers (which had become gangrenous), and was keeping it in formalhydrate for further tests on his next overseas visit. By getting rid of the same, her headaches disappeared (and she was still free of these a year afterwards when I checked many years ago). It's a surprise (and a shame), therefore, that Siberian shamans did not gang together to impose such spells on Stalin while he was busy wiping out their people. Do such powers have no more than nuisance value, then? And if not intention, what else makes it work?

TemperanceAngel	13 Apr 2005
Helvetica wrote: I still maintain that if you had decided that whatever it was tht was disturbing you (and there is no evidence for magic, only supposition) had no power and would have no power over you, you would have rid yourself of the disturbance. Yes and there is no eveidence for tarot either....where did eveidence come into the equation? I would have thought the same, Helvetica, until it happened. I am not a witch, but I do spells and know a little of magic and it is very real and what happened was very real. It actually was performed against three people (one was me) and we all suffered because of it. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and I hope people respect that I know the difference between whether I believe in it or not (eg: voodoo), intention etc. etc.

caridwen	13 Apr 2005
TemperanceAngel wrote: Yes and there is no eveidence for tarot either....where did eveidence come into the equation? There is evidence for Tarot - the querent relates to the reading and it is accurate. I'm not sure about voodoo etc but I think Lady Mary makes a very good and valid point. That is not taking away from your own experience TA:)

Fudugazi	13 Apr 2005
TEmperance Angel wrote: Yes and there is no eveidence for tarot either....where did eveidence come into the equation? I would have thought the same, Helvetica, until it happened. I am not a witch, but I do spells and know a little of magic and it is very real and what happened was very real. It actually was performed against three people (one was me) and we all suffered because of it. I did not doubt that you had an unpleasant experience, TA (nor that jmd's lady with the bone had headaches, for that matter). We all know of unexplanable phenomena and I am not denying those. I simply am questioning the use of words like magic and hexes as though they were obvious explanations - and proveable - which they are not: that should make us all circumspect in how we describe something unexplained that is happening to us or others. I am very uncomfortable with the idea of accusing someone else of causing harm (through hexes or any other method) if it cannot be proved that a) that person (or any other) caused it; and b) that the unexplained unpleasantness (or worse) can be ascribed to a hex. It could be caused by any number of other phenomena, some of which - though not all - are scientifically proveable (climate, sun explosions, bad digestion, insufficient oxygen, depression, spirit presences). I am not - please note - saying magic (including bad magic) does not exist: I am saying that to ascribe unexplained occurences to hexes is irresponsible, bordering on unfair; I am not doubting the power of shamans (I have witnessed it) - but true shamans are few and far between, and the good ones are responsible. As for Tarot, it can be proved to work: although not HOW. Bad occurences cannot be proved to be caused by hexes; and even less can a person be proved to be throwing a hex (does one throw a hex? we do in French!!). Proof is important when ascribing blame and causality - it's a simple matter of Justice. Or are we to return to the bad old days of the ducking-stool? In the prisons I visited in Africa, there were people held for weeks - sometimes months - because they had been accused by a neighbour of placing a hex. I for one have no wish to see that kind of thing revived in Europe. Perhaps we can say this: some counter-hexes, or removal of harmful objets (e.g. the lady's bone) can be shown to work (like Tarot can be shown to work). I would be very reluctant to go any further than that without proof. Accusations and causality are serious things and should not be dismissed because the idea of "evidence" is pooh-poohed. Accusations should never be simply a matter of opinion.

Adjustment	13 Apr 2005
jmd wrote: As to what cards in a reading may indicate such, I would suggest, perhaps but not necessarily, that XV the Devil (binding), combined with a card that may suggest a working against one's will (perhaps I the Bateleur reversed) and the Ace of Swords reversed. The type of harm would be indicated, perhaps but not necessarily, by yet another card (perhaps a four in the pips, the suit indicating how it may manifest in the individual). Very interesting JMD. here is a reading i recently did, jut before i start this thread about the person that cause all my last year troubles. http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=39995

Jess	13 Apr 2005
Awh hun, it's unlucky that you had such a bad experience :( But like somebody mentioned, her negativity had an effect on you, and quite rightly- it would on anybody! Real clairevoyants (sp)would not tell you bad, negative things. Hope that you are ok now. Love Jess x

jumptothemoonyea	13 Apr 2005
Lady Mary wrote: I've never been able to understand why people who are "real bad", who are responsible for the killing of millions of people seem to be immune against ill-wishing as well as praying. We can see this if we look back at history and we see it in our days. So nobody ever bothered to put a curse onto them? Helvetica wrote: It's a surprise (and a shame), therefore, that Siberian shamans did not gang together to impose such spells on Stalin while he was busy wiping out their people. this simply could mean that the negative energy (intent) consciously or unconsciously applied was stronger than any spiritually realized powers

Junia	13 Apr 2005
Shade --"To answer your question The Magician Reversed, the Moon reversed, the Devil, the Queen of Swords, and the seven of swords." Also JMD and others mentioned the Devil XV. TD-I found this interesting the little (big) tidbit that I left you is a ritual that is a counteractive written by the author just below the explanation for the Card in this Deck, XV The Devil. I don't think that it has been mentioned yet, but, I think that I would do an advice reading with your Deck and ask how you can best counteract or block anything bad, wish or physical, that this person does to you. If you decide to try this, would you please post here or PM me? I'd like to know what the cards have to say. The Tarot is your best resource (well along w/your friends here at AT)! Love and Cups of Nine (wishing you all good things), Junia

MeeWah	14 Apr 2005
jmd wrote: ...Tara Deck mentions that she was told that someone had effectively worked magically in a negative way against her. As far as I'm concerned, and though it seems that there are some con-artists using such claims to also effectively steal from victims, *there is no reason to assume that this is not possible*. [emphasis mine ~meewah] *A person may indeed have (either consciously or not) generated energies of such a nature and strength as to cause harm to another, and a clairvoyant may have, also, effectively tuned into such and spoken this, without necessarily having been also able to determine the 'who done it'.* [emphasis mine ~meewah] ...I mention this as I do not personally think that mere belief otherwise may prevent a 'powerful' shamanistic culture from imposing its current upon an individual. The noted late psychic Edgar Cayce oft mentioned within his readings that "Thoughts are things". Aside from the occasions I have observed this to be true, the understanding is that within the context of a focussed endeavour of any kind (& in certain other applications excluded here as not applicable), *an act is first precipitated by thought*. Thought which is further enhanced & strengthened by intent &/or will applied so that the object manifests in a material form or a physical effect. It can be likened to the surge of adrenalin (energy) that kicks in during times of great emotional stress or need & endows an ordinary person with the extraordinary means to lift a vehicle from an accident victim. There exists an understanding that certain rituals or practices are effective & contain power due to the accumulated overlays of their use over time by their practitioners, thereby investing energy in those rituals or practices to maintain their effectiveness. Such as the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram or LBRP, used specifically for banishing, cleansing & warding; known to be highly effective. Readings can discern motive(s) or the nature of a situation without necessarily identifying the hand responsible. In the same way, a sensitive such as Tara Deck's reader may have detected an act or the nature of a problem. In fact prior to this discussion, that is how I saw it too, as posted in the same earlier thread Tara Deck referenced a few posts above. Ace of Swords & other cards of the Swords suits &/or of Pentacles to respectively indicate or describe thought, intent, will, application/working; followed by working/casting & manifestation though need not exclude other types of cards. Ace of Swords & Ace of Pentacles both appeared in that reading; however, based on my understanding & what I have seen, cards need not be reversed to indicate a lesser or malignant quality. Edited to add: As in the other thread, a "working" need not be by witchcraft per se.

Shade	14 Apr 2005
Now that you've had a sensible chorus of "You're probably perfectly fine" if you are still feeling a little uneasy about the situation you might consider performing a hex-breaker to set yourself at ease. First, did you try doing any readings to see if you are actually cursed? Try that out and see if anything comes up. You mentioned that your native language is Spanish. Are there any practicing Curanderas in your locale that you could go to, hex-breaking is one of their specialties. I am not sure what your spiritual leanings are, maybe if you told us more about that we could advise you about whether you should light candles to the Virgin, or smudge with sage, or bury a lodestone at a crossroads or one of a dozen hex-breakers.

Adjustment	14 Apr 2005
Shade wrote: Now that you've had a sensible chorus of "You're probably perfectly fine" if you are still feeling a little uneasy about the situation you might consider performing a hex-breaker to set yourself at ease. First, did you try doing any readings to see if you are actually cursed? Try that out and see if anything comes up. You mentioned that your native language is Spanish. Are there any practicing Curanderas in your locale that you could go to, hex-breaking is one of their specialties. I am not sure what your spiritual leanings are, maybe if you told us more about that we could advise you about whether you should light candles to the Virgin, or smudge with sage, or bury a lodestone at a crossroads or one of a dozen hex-breakers. Hi shade, no there aren't curanderas in this area were i live, however the clairvoyant that i talk to leaves in another state were i was visiting he was doing readings in a spanish restaurant where I went for lunch, he did tell me to do a ritual and gave me some instructions that I wrote and to follow it exactly in the order he told me however i feel like i should do something more about it. I would like to ask if smeone know a good spread that i can use for this reading or if someone can do a reading for me here in aeclectic about this situation i 'm just too involved and i have too much in my mind about all this that i think that if do a reading it is just going to tell me what is in my mind. Shade I'm a catholic

catti	14 Apr 2005
Tara Deck and others.. I have been reading this thread and wanting to respond but not quite knowing what to say holding back... I have seen this before on AT, a strong belief that hexes are hoaxes. I once posted about a lady who believed she was hexed and the cards that i got for her favored it, but the chorus came singing " there is no such thing as a hex, she is creating her own negativity" etc.... Well, I dont believe that. If you can cure you can kill. If we can pray for people we can surely curse them. A good point was raised here..why didnt Siberian Shamans curse Stalin? And how do you know they didnt? Then it wasnt effective, is the reply ....but again how do we know? The other answer is also clear to me that Stalin had strong magic. Anyone who could control and whose name still inspires fear was strong magic. Magic is like the mist in the morning. You can see it. It is beautiful . It is a little scary. You can almost touch it , feel it , taste it. Try to put it in a cup. Or a box. For everyone who says, " I do a little spellwork, but never anything bad, MY spells are only for good. And you can never do a spell for personal gain. That would mean bad things would come to me " I have a few things to say to that. First, Who among us mortals knows what the greater good is? In life we see good things happen to bad people and the opposite all the time. Each of us marvel when something happens in that odd , twist of fate way and changes our life for the better. So who among us can judge our magic to be only good. And why can I not do spellwork for profit? If good people like me have more money or power the world will be a better place, right? And this karmic "law" that everyone talks about is some weird karma-cola invention by the west of thousands of years of vedic philosophy. Experience tells me it isnt as simple as we make it out to be. Things are not Good/Bad...Black/White If they were, we wouldnt have use for 78 cards, in such complex forms, to get to the truth. TaraDeck-perform a despojo....i can give you some forms, but i dont see anything wrong with paying someone to do it as long as you have the money in the first place. If you dont have money to have someone else do it, then your only choice is to make your magic stronger. I have my ideas , but it is a personal path to do this thing. Once your magic is strong enough you wont be the same victim and then you can decide if you want to curse this person or not. Catti

seapearls	14 Apr 2005
You may have been hexed but I do agree with others that the clairvoyant created the idea in your head. Alot of witches don't perform hexs but many of us do and their are ways to protect yourself from them or send them back to the person. Some people also say your only under a hex if you think you are. A negative spell/hex/curse IMO only work well on those that are weak minded. Its all in the power of the mind. Tell yourself your not under one and envision a protective aura or bubble around you that sends back things cast your way. Best wishes I agree with what Catti says in the post before me also.

Fudugazi	14 Apr 2005
I am interested in this discussion. As must be apparent, I struggle with all sorts of issues around it - and also with my own scepticism, which I would not like to just throw in the bin, because scepticism is good - it prevents us from being too naive or believing the first credible charlatan (be he magician or scientist) that comes along. In this thread- and another in Spirituality (ill-wishing), I have been challenged to think about the nuisance power of people like Stalin in wider terms than the purely political or psychological. For that I thank everyone who is making me think right now. I am naturally curious and attracted to magic, this might also explain why I am protecting myself. Because of time spent in Africa - in at least one country whose witches are reputed (Congo)- and generally for hexes - I have been careful, and circumspect around the whole topic. I also have found many dissimilarities of views among practitioners or believers in magic - some saying intention is enough, others saying no - you need a powerful ritual and build your own power (the latter - personal power -seems to me quite evident!); others saying you need some thing that will remove the hex (or place it). And some say all this can be seen in Tarot cards. One thing, though, I am reluctant to do and will argue against until I am hoarse: and that is the easy (or painful, for that matter) way people say - "so-and-so" hexed me; or "my backpain comes from a hex". Accusing people is a serious thing and should not be done lightly. It is one thing accusing Stalin or any other criminal who can be shown to have caused harm; it is another pointing a finger at a jealous woman and saying - she hexed me. Furthermore, I think there is a danger in thinking every bad thing that happens to us is the result of a hex: this belief can lead to diminished sense of responsibility and to a feeling of victimhood. I was very interested in what Catti said, because her path involves just the opposite: increased responsibility and personal power in the face of manifest harm. I have worked in places where the harm done to others is so vast and widespread I still have nightmares about it - and these will no doubt last much of my life, off and on. Places where you looked around for a spark of humanity and when you found it you felt you were in the presence of an angel (even if it was only a human being!). I am not sure if I can call genocide or widespread sexual attacks, or torture - magic. I call them evil. The intent behind them is evil and the result is evil. I have no doubt that in many cases, curses and bad magic are invoked during a time of genocide - and probably used: but I tend to believe the strongest magic of all is that emanating from the genocide organisers' sick minds and charismatic but deranged personalities. It is a form of magic, I suppose, though I am not sure it is the one people mean when they talk about hexes. I do know that the counter-hex to that type of magic is difficult and elusive - and involves more than just the person involved and a witch. When such a great evil takes place in Bosnia, or Rwanda, or Darfur - the counter-hex involves us all. Unfortunately, we generally fail to provide it.

stella01904	14 Apr 2005
MM ~ The reader wasn't a real clairvoyant. You are being softened up for a candle-burning scam http://www.luckymojo.com/blackgypsies.html#fraud Magical attack should always be the LAST thing considered, when all other possibilities are exhausted. Raven Grimassi's The Witches' Craft gives good information about identifying actual magical attack and defending yourself. And it has nothing to do with a "reader" telling you that you are "cursed". BB, Stella

Deana	14 Apr 2005
I've been reading this thread with interest but was reluctant to reply because I don't know whether Tara Deck is the victim of a curse or the victim of a scam. Where I live, I'd say the likelihood of a curse is about none, but my cousin lived in Mexico for several years and people throw hexes at one another frequently where she lived. But I did want to comment on the question of why people don't curse really evil people like Stalin or Bin Laden or whatever. This is just a thought, but might it be that people who center their lives around doing evil are so good at harnessing negative energy and directing it toward their goals that curses or whatnot sent their way would just be more negative energy for them to use toward their purposes? Does that make any sense, or am I losing it?

Junia	14 Apr 2005
Dear Tara D, You are a Catholic? I was an Episcopalian for years. I do still though have a Book of Common Prayer. Do you still say Rosary? My friend, who is not Catholic, sometimes says Rosary because in its pure essence in is ritualistic and meditative. The Holy Virgin is a stronger power much like II The High Priestess in the Deck. I have waited for you to ask about a reading. I am not the one to do it, but I do believe there are many people here who can. The other alternative would be for all of those of us willing to agree on a time to do a ritual where ever we are and agree to a somewhat common form. You would also participate at the same time. I am relatively new here and I am not sure that I am violating any rules. But, I for one am willing to do anything to help alleviate any of your suffering that you are obviously going through. Candles, incense prayers (in any form). At this point, I think we need to put aside the philosophical arguments and concentrate on the person who is asking for help. She believes that we can help her and I do too. Any other participants willing? Love and XIX The Sun (which outshines and banishes all darkness), Junia

MeeWah	14 Apr 2005
Junia: I think I understand what prompts the interest in a ritual; however, its purpose would need to be understood & agreed to by all concerned, especially Tara Deck. Rituals are serious undertakings. As the nature of this possible proposal is not really appropriate for this forum & may not be wholly appropriate for public posting either, I recommend discussion via PMs.

jmd	14 Apr 2005
It may be worth pointing out that I agree with Helvetica's post totally. Her post points to the important element of self-responsibility and non-violence against another that can at times occur by finger-pointing. For those of us unfamiliar with the consequences of this in contemporary societies, calling to mind the numerous murders of those accused of witchcraft and the like in times gone past in Europe and North America will certainly have a clear idea as to where this may lead. At the same time, however, and without the detrimental aspect of 'who-done-it', there are the healing aspects of the removal of possible 'psychic' attacks that also may be worth looking into. If one has a splinter in one's finger, trying to ascertain who caused it is not as useful as simply removing it and cleaning the wound (and dressing it if appropriate). Yet, I am also in agreement with MeeWah's comment that this is not an appropriate call for all interested or a public ritual, but only by private correspondence should Tara Deck decide to seek such from Junia or others offering assistance - and that, without fee! In such a case, it would also be vitally important (in my personal view) for Tara Deck to be very clear as to what is being offered.

HudsonGray	14 Apr 2005
Tara, don't dwell on this too much, you end up feeding it with your own energy and prolong the time the thing is with you (whether there in the first place, which I sort of doubt, or whether it's self inflicted now because of the seed the clairvoyant planted). A good purging is a hot shower or soaking bath, where you just relax completely & feel everything bad just wash away from you. Take some time wrapped up in a towel, and tell yourself that whatever was there is now gone. Once you take the pressure off yourself, healing can start. Long rituals aren't needed, just a determination by you to not let this get to you anymore, and a physical cleansing of sorts to really set it in your mind. The shower/bathtub is a great place to do that.

Junia	14 Apr 2005
Hi there, I didn't really mean anything big in the way of ritual just candelighting and prayers for Tara Deck of course w/her permission first! I am not experienced enough to do anything elaborate and would never even suggest sending the harm back to the person whether or not responsible. I was just saying a sort of banishment type of short thing. Networking of good against evil. I also didn't realize that there was a spirituality subscription thread that might help her. I am truly sorry if I inconvenienced or insulted anyone. TaraDeck, if you want to PM me and I will put you in my prayers. Totally your decision though. To all others please forgive any offense, I truly have her best interests at heart. Love and Cups of Nine to all of you, Junia

rainwolf	15 Apr 2005
Didn't think is was that much of an offense--dont know why people should freak out, you were just trying to help. Nice offer for her though! I agree on the hot bath!

tarotbear	15 Apr 2005
catti wrote: Tara Deck and others.. I have been reading this thread and wanting to respond but not quite knowing what to say holding back... I have seen this before on AT, a strong belief that hexes are hoaxes. I once posted about a lady who believed she was hexed and the cards that i got for her favored it, but the chorus came singing " there is no such thing as a hex, she is creating her own negativity" etc.... Well, I dont believe that. If you can cure you can kill. If we can pray for people we can surely curse them. A good point was raised here..why didnt Siberian Shamans curse Stalin? And how do you know they didnt? Then it wasnt effective, is the reply ....but again how do we know? The other answer is also clear to me that Stalin had strong magic. Anyone who could control and whose name still inspires fear was strong magic. I've stayed out of this discussion so far, but I, too, have wondered exactly the same things catti mentioned. If you believe in God and say that you pray to Him for good things, then you cannot deny that someone can 'pray' to an evil entity for evil things to happen. It cannot be one and not the other; the universe has an equal and opposite reaction for every action. If you can pray for good, someone else can pray for evil. To deny that is naive and foolish. Tradition says that the witches of Britain raised a cone of power to keep Hilter from invading their homeland. For every person who denies this, some old lady pops up and says that is exactly what happened. For all intents and purposes it worked. Many years ago that irish singer female with the shaved head tore up a photo of Pope John Paul on televison; a week later he suffered a heart attack. Chance, synchonicity, or curse? If you believe you are blessed, you will live a blessed life. If you believe you have been cursed, whether it is an uneasy feeling that won't go away, receiving dead fish wrapped in newspaper in the mail, or being the receiver of bad news without some hope of counteracting it, you will be cursed. However, everyone here seems to think this is falling prey to a self-fulfilling prophecy. Tara Deck should do a reading to find out how to alleviate her situation. She should ask what steps she should take to get her back on the right road; what should she avoid. Enough time and effort has been spent on the finger-pointing aspects of it. Get through it, get over it, and get past it. Quivering in limbo about it is getting you nowhere. Maybe someone should volunteer to do a pm reading for her?

ncefafn	15 Apr 2005
tarotbear wrote: Maybe someone should volunteer to do a pm reading for her? ah, but the question is, "Who?" Someone who believes that the clairvoyant was telling the truth as she saw it and is not a charlatan, or someone who is skeptical? Or none of the above? How do you separate the reader from the question when the reader has already formed an opinion about it? And besides, what are the ethics about doing a reading for someone who hasn't specifically asked for one. I dimly remember this issue being raised in the recent past. Kim

tarotbear	15 Apr 2005
I'm saying that someone should volunteer to do a reading, pm Tara to ask her about it, let tara pm them back yes or no, pm back to Tara about it, and tell the rest of us to butt our noses out! I am not implying 'doing' anything for someone who hasn't asked about it.

ncefafn	15 Apr 2005
Okay. Cool. Later, Santa. Kim

Shade	15 Apr 2005
Ok Tara maybe we should try a reading. Here's one suggestion but maybe someone ele has something better for this situation. Face east and shuffle your deck. Draw four cards. When you lay don the first card in front of you say, "This is the energy that I am receiving from the East.” Lay the next card to your right and say, “this is the energy I am receiving from the south.” Repeat for west and north. You can interpret the cards as showing what energy is coming your way either from those physical directions or you can interpret it as the energy of that quarter (east/intellect, south/will, west/emotions, north/physical or however you like to organize them) and tell us what your reaction is and maybe some of the rest of us can give input. When you shuffle I suggest you shuffle so that the cards can be reversed or upright as many of us gave suggestions for reversed cards that might appear for you. Sound doable?

Junia	15 Apr 2005
Quote from TaraDeck - "I would like to ask if smeone know a good spread that i can use for this reading or if someone can do a reading for me here in aeclectic about this situation i 'm just too involved and i have too much in my mind about all this that i think that if do a reading it is just going to tell me what is in my mind. Shade I'm a catholic". Hi guys, here is her (Tara's) request for a read. If you look back to the 3rd page (?) I think. Or do a search, you'll find it. This is why I suggested the ritual. I then replied that I wasn't qualified to do a read and PM'd you folks to help. TerraDeck, PM (Private Message) one of these folks and ask. Everyone here is concerned and wants to help, but we are all individuals and you'll have to approach someone through a Private Message. If you don't know where that is, ask and we'll walk you through it. Don't be afraid. There are very strong good forces and energies of people here to help you. You'll get through this okay. I just feel bad that it is someone related to you. But, my mother always used to say, "Your friends you can get rid of but families are forever." She was a Mormon you know--giggle. Love and rest tonight, Junia

Fudugazi	15 Apr 2005
tarotbear wrote: Tradition says that the witches of Britain raised a cone of power to keep Hilter from invading their homeland. For every person who denies this, some old lady pops up and says that is exactly what happened. For all intents and purposes it worked. The RAF worked. Churchill's leadership worked. The munitions factory girls worked. The anti-aircraft engineers and operators worked. The spies worked. All the full churches worked. The people of Britain in their entirety - with their stubborness and their innate dislike of bullies - worked. I didn't know about the witches' cone: if so, it might be one more thing that worked during that terrible time. To ascribe the failure of Hitler's plans against Britain solely to the witches' cone would be ridiculous: but I shall remain open-minded and admit it might have helped... G-d knows everything was needed back then!

Fudugazi	15 Apr 2005
Junia wrote: TerraDeck, PM (Private Message) one of these folks and ask. Everyone here is concerned and wants to help, but we are all individuals and you'll have to approach someone through a Private Message. If you don't know where that is, ask and we'll walk you through it. Don't be afraid. There are very strong good forces and energies of people here to help you. You'll get through this okay. That's good advice, Tara Deck.

Adjustment	15 Apr 2005
tarotbear wrote: Tara Deck should do a reading to find out how to alleviate her situation. She should ask what steps she should take to get her back on the right road; what should she avoid. Enough time and effort has been spent on the finger-pointing aspects of it. Get through it, get over it, and get past it. Quivering in limbo about it is getting you nowhere. Maybe someone should volunteer to do a pm reading for her? Thank you so much Tartobear for suggesting to do a reading to alleviate my situation, i have to admit that ever since i talk to the clairvoyant I have been feeling scared and sick over this whole situation and it has been about a month ago, it is so truth that the mind have so much influence over the body. for me haven't been easy to get over this situation, I have already ask for a reading but on one have volunteer, i know this is a very delicate situation and i undestand. I 'm trying to get my mind calm down first and then i will do a reading, I will let everybody know when i decide to do the reading but first i have to put myself together.

Moonbow*	15 Apr 2005
Hi Tara Deck I am not a witch and do not do spells so I can only tell you of my own views and I hope that it will help you. With a positive mind I am certain that it will. Firstly, I strongly believe that our own fear can feed any negativity, whether the negativity has been directed at you from someone else or not. Fear is very difficult to overcome but not impossible, you have to be strong. From my own experiences I have been in a situation of such extreme fear that I was unable to sleep for days and was worried for others too. From that, I started to get Tinnitus which caused me further sleepless nights. But it all stopped as easily as it started by one very small sentence from Diana in a PM, and I now look back and wonder why those few words had such a profound affect on me, but they did, and I'm forever thankful to her for it. From this experience though, I have learned that my own fear escalated things and so I now know when I have to keep any fears in check. I also think that you can protect yourself by whatever you believe in, for me it is reiki that works, it balances me and allows me to deal with things because I feel totally protected by it. In your case, you will know what you have full trust in and that is what you must use. This also reminds me of a conversation that I had with a friend who was in a terrible motorbike accident and was left in the road by the driver that caused it. He told me that his wife and children were his religion, they are what he believes in and what he trusts, and while he in the depths of despair it was the thought of them that pulled him through. I still think this is one of the most beautiful things that I have ever heard a man say. So, you will know what it is that you have total faith in - use that.

Nevada	15 Apr 2005
Moonbow* wrote: I also think that you can protect yourself by whatever you believe in, for me it is reiki that works, it balances me and allows me to deal with things because I feel totally protected by it. In your case, you will know what you have full trust in and that is what you must use. I've found this to be true, too. For me it's prayer, and it's given me the greatest peace in moments of greatest fear or turmoil. Whatever you believe in can protect you. No other person can have more power over you than that, unless you allow them to. Nevada

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