Nina*
Then the Noblet is the only 'right' choiceglaive said:
; it's wonderful, beautiful, feels so true.. and the cardstock is just amazing. 
Which Tarot of Marseilles?
; it's wonderful, beautiful, feels so true.. and the cardstock is just amazing. Nina*
Debra: do you know where I could get this?Debra said:
Debra
Nina* said:
I got mine at Alida (alidastore.com) and it looks like they still have some.
Nina*
Thank you, Debra... You got a PM.Debra said:
thinbuddha
Major Tom said:You might also like to check out a truly modern Tarot of Marseilles.
I was in Borders last night on their computer looking for a deck, and what did I see? Major Tom's TdM (not currently in stock, but able to order).
Hitting the big time, eh?
-tb
le pendu
SHORT ANSWER:
Noblet
LONG ANSWER:
I'm not sure laziness and the Marseille are a great match.
I'm sure that anyone can pick up a TdM and read with it, but there is great depth there too if you choose to study it. The Marseille has much history, and many connections. It is the grandmother of all modern tarots. For me, it has opened up wondrous worlds.
But when it comes down to it.. as Sulis said.. it's often a matter of taste. Some like the Tarot of the Dolphin Mermaid Goddesses, others don't. You've already noticed the variety of TdM recommendations, and that's a good thing really, it's great that we have more and more choices as the TdM becomes increasingly (re)popular. Choosing a TdM (I'm laughing at writing that.. choosing *a* TdM.. ha ha ha ha) is a matter of personal preferences.
My thoughts; your mileage may vary:
-The Crème de la Crème-
Jean Noblet Tarot by Jean-Claude Flornoy
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/jean-noblet/
A fantastic deck. I wrote about it here:
http://association.tarotstudies.org/newsletters/news53.html
The Noblet is the oldest surviving Marseille tarot, dated to around 1650. Think about that a bit. 1650. Over 350 years old, and you can have a copy that in many ways reproduces what the deck looked like when it was first "born". Flornoy did a wonderful job restoring it from the scans in the French National Library. It is easily my favorite TdM. Many people enjoy the booklet that comes with it where Jean-Claude Flornoy shares his insights on the deck.
AT member EnriqueEnriquez just shared a wonderful post on the Noblet here:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?p=1210426#post1210426
You might also wish to read my article 'Hunting the "true" Marseille Tarot' which I wrote last year for ATS. It's an account of my journey into the TdM, and what I learned when looking for the "true" TdM.
http://association.tarotstudies.org/newsletters/news44.html
The Noblet main thread: http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=81882
Jacques Vieville Tarot published by Heron
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/vieville-marseilles/
I mentioned that the Noblet was my favorite TdM, but the Vieville is my favorite Tarot. Both the Noblet and the Vieville were made around 1650 in Paris. They are very different, but often share some wonderful similarities. It's a treasure of delight. This is a fantastic article on the Vieville by an AT member:
http://association.tarotstudies.org/newsletters/news50.html
and a thread of celebration of the Vieville:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=75786
The Vieville is full of life and passion. It's quirky, and masterful, and unique.
Jean Dodal Tarot published by Dussere
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/dussere-dodal/
From the early 1700s. A great deck, now extremely scarce and ridiculously overpriced. If you find one.. great... but I don't think the current rage for it is warranted. I hope for either another photo-reproduction to be issued, or for Flornoy to do this deck in a manner similar to the Noblet. (Flornoy has done a 22 card version here: http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/flornoy-marseilles/index.shtml )
Nicolas Conver Tarot published by Heron
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/heron-marseilles/
From 1760. 100 years later than the Noblet, 50 after the Dodal.. but based on earlier deck probably from the late 1600s or early 1700s.
For years, this has been the "standard" pattern of a TdM. Almost every "TdM" published is a variation of the Conver deck. I like the Heron version. On the positive side I like the colors and detail. On the negative, the size is somewhat smaller than other Conver decks, and there is a large border. Some people might consider these positive as well.
-- Restorations --
Kris Hadar, Camoin, Rhodes-Sanchez
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/hadar-marseilles/
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/marseilles/
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/marsella/index.shtml
All modern "restorations" (frankly, Flornoy's Noblet probably would belong to this group as well).
Camoin is based exclusively on the Conver. Hadar mixes mostly Conver with some Dodal. Rhodes-Sanchez mixes mostly Conver with some Dodal, Noblet, Vieville, Paris, and other early decks.
Hadar has muted colors which are attractive to my eyes.
Camoin has bright colors which distract my eyes.
Rhodes-Sanchez has gold/bronze backgrounds which bothers my eyes and ruins the deck for me (which is too bad, as I like many its other qualities).
-- Other Versions --
Bicentennial Tarot de Marsilles published by Camion
Exclusive printing of the Conver from old blocks sold my Camoin. Nice to have, very thick card stock.
The Tarot Set published by Thunder Bay Press
An inexpensive printing of the "Camoin Bicentennial Tarot de Marsilles". I think it's a great deck for the price.
Tarot of Marseilles published by Grimaud
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/grimaud-marseilles/
A classic TdM. This is really "the standard", and you can't go wrong with it.
Universal Marseille Tarot published by Lo Scariboa
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/universal-marseille/
The titles ruin it.
Tarot de Marseille Convos
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/convos-marseille/
Hideously distorted.
Tarot de Marseille published by Fournier
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/marseille-fournier/
Bright and colorful. It's a matter of taste.
Tarot de Nostradamus published by Heron
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/nostradamus/
Mentioned by Abrac above. I was really disappointed in this deck. To me, it feels like it was "thrown together". I can't "trust" the iconography, and don't find the artwork appealing.
--
There are others as well.. and related tarots like the Besançon and the Belgian.. but we'll explore those once you've got your feet a bit wet.
I hope you enjoy your deck, whichever one you order. Check out the Marseille reading circles.. lots of great stuff there. And of course, there's the History section with lots on the TdM.
Welcome to a long, wonderful, journey.
Noblet
LONG ANSWER:
I'm not sure laziness and the Marseille are a great match.
I'm sure that anyone can pick up a TdM and read with it, but there is great depth there too if you choose to study it. The Marseille has much history, and many connections. It is the grandmother of all modern tarots. For me, it has opened up wondrous worlds.
But when it comes down to it.. as Sulis said.. it's often a matter of taste. Some like the Tarot of the Dolphin Mermaid Goddesses, others don't. You've already noticed the variety of TdM recommendations, and that's a good thing really, it's great that we have more and more choices as the TdM becomes increasingly (re)popular. Choosing a TdM (I'm laughing at writing that.. choosing *a* TdM.. ha ha ha ha) is a matter of personal preferences.
My thoughts; your mileage may vary:
-The Crème de la Crème-
Jean Noblet Tarot by Jean-Claude Flornoy
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/jean-noblet/
A fantastic deck. I wrote about it here:
http://association.tarotstudies.org/newsletters/news53.html
The Noblet is the oldest surviving Marseille tarot, dated to around 1650. Think about that a bit. 1650. Over 350 years old, and you can have a copy that in many ways reproduces what the deck looked like when it was first "born". Flornoy did a wonderful job restoring it from the scans in the French National Library. It is easily my favorite TdM. Many people enjoy the booklet that comes with it where Jean-Claude Flornoy shares his insights on the deck.
AT member EnriqueEnriquez just shared a wonderful post on the Noblet here:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?p=1210426#post1210426
You might also wish to read my article 'Hunting the "true" Marseille Tarot' which I wrote last year for ATS. It's an account of my journey into the TdM, and what I learned when looking for the "true" TdM.
http://association.tarotstudies.org/newsletters/news44.html
The Noblet main thread: http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=81882
Jacques Vieville Tarot published by Heron
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/vieville-marseilles/
I mentioned that the Noblet was my favorite TdM, but the Vieville is my favorite Tarot. Both the Noblet and the Vieville were made around 1650 in Paris. They are very different, but often share some wonderful similarities. It's a treasure of delight. This is a fantastic article on the Vieville by an AT member:
http://association.tarotstudies.org/newsletters/news50.html
and a thread of celebration of the Vieville:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=75786
The Vieville is full of life and passion. It's quirky, and masterful, and unique.
Jean Dodal Tarot published by Dussere
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/dussere-dodal/
From the early 1700s. A great deck, now extremely scarce and ridiculously overpriced. If you find one.. great... but I don't think the current rage for it is warranted. I hope for either another photo-reproduction to be issued, or for Flornoy to do this deck in a manner similar to the Noblet. (Flornoy has done a 22 card version here: http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/flornoy-marseilles/index.shtml )
Nicolas Conver Tarot published by Heron
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/heron-marseilles/
From 1760. 100 years later than the Noblet, 50 after the Dodal.. but based on earlier deck probably from the late 1600s or early 1700s.
For years, this has been the "standard" pattern of a TdM. Almost every "TdM" published is a variation of the Conver deck. I like the Heron version. On the positive side I like the colors and detail. On the negative, the size is somewhat smaller than other Conver decks, and there is a large border. Some people might consider these positive as well.
-- Restorations --
Kris Hadar, Camoin, Rhodes-Sanchez
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/hadar-marseilles/
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/marseilles/
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/marsella/index.shtml
All modern "restorations" (frankly, Flornoy's Noblet probably would belong to this group as well).
Camoin is based exclusively on the Conver. Hadar mixes mostly Conver with some Dodal. Rhodes-Sanchez mixes mostly Conver with some Dodal, Noblet, Vieville, Paris, and other early decks.
Hadar has muted colors which are attractive to my eyes.
Camoin has bright colors which distract my eyes.
Rhodes-Sanchez has gold/bronze backgrounds which bothers my eyes and ruins the deck for me (which is too bad, as I like many its other qualities).
-- Other Versions --
Bicentennial Tarot de Marsilles published by Camion
Exclusive printing of the Conver from old blocks sold my Camoin. Nice to have, very thick card stock.
The Tarot Set published by Thunder Bay Press
An inexpensive printing of the "Camoin Bicentennial Tarot de Marsilles". I think it's a great deck for the price.
Tarot of Marseilles published by Grimaud
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/grimaud-marseilles/
A classic TdM. This is really "the standard", and you can't go wrong with it.
Universal Marseille Tarot published by Lo Scariboa
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/universal-marseille/
The titles ruin it.
Tarot de Marseille Convos
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/convos-marseille/
Hideously distorted.
Tarot de Marseille published by Fournier
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/marseille-fournier/
Bright and colorful. It's a matter of taste.
Tarot de Nostradamus published by Heron
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/nostradamus/
Mentioned by Abrac above. I was really disappointed in this deck. To me, it feels like it was "thrown together". I can't "trust" the iconography, and don't find the artwork appealing.
--
There are others as well.. and related tarots like the Besançon and the Belgian.. but we'll explore those once you've got your feet a bit wet.
I hope you enjoy your deck, whichever one you order. Check out the Marseille reading circles.. lots of great stuff there. And of course, there's the History section with lots on the TdM.
Welcome to a long, wonderful, journey.
glaive
Thank you so much for the long reply. I've just picked up a couple of Thotthy decks, but when I'm ready, I'll buy the Noblet. Next summer I want to read at Ren Faires, and the Marseilles is a good fit for that atmosphere.
le pendu
For a fair, you might consider Flornoy's 22 Noblet or Dodal and leather pouch. Expensive.. but pieces of art. I think they are worth every penny. Each is hand-stenciled.. there is nothing that compares to them for having an "authentic" look. The colors vibrate, the cardstock is luscious. This is very close to what a deck of cards looking like in the 1600s. Imagine pulling your handmade tarot cards out of a handmade leather pouch.
There are some great spreads that can be used for just the trumps, and in fact, many people who read with a TdM only read with the trumps.
You have to check this out:
http://www.tarot-history.com/The-Atelier/index.html
You can order the 22, and a matching leather pouch here:
http://www.tarot-history.com/boutique/index.php
Here are images I took of mine. The Noblet is the smaller deck.
http://www.tarothistory.com/images/cases1.jpg
http://www.tarothistory.com/images/cases2.jpg
And when you're ready to dig in, get the 78 Noblet.
There are some great spreads that can be used for just the trumps, and in fact, many people who read with a TdM only read with the trumps.
You have to check this out:
http://www.tarot-history.com/The-Atelier/index.html
You can order the 22, and a matching leather pouch here:
http://www.tarot-history.com/boutique/index.php
Here are images I took of mine. The Noblet is the smaller deck.
http://www.tarothistory.com/images/cases1.jpg
http://www.tarothistory.com/images/cases2.jpg
And when you're ready to dig in, get the 78 Noblet.
glaive
That is too cool!
I'll probably start with the regular Noblet. I want to play tarocchi, too. At least my SCA friends do
I'll probably start with the regular Noblet. I want to play tarocchi, too. At least my SCA friends do
le pendu
glaive said:I want to play tarocchi, too. At least my SCA friends do
How wonderful! I wish I had friends to help me learn how to play. Here's a piece of software I own that I really like.. but I'm still trying to learn how to play:
http://www.letarot.net/
