The Finet "Nouvel Eteila, ou petit necromancien", is also called "Le Petit Oracle des Dames", but clearly is of a different type to those for example by Gueffier, the Finet having only 36 cards, all with single figures, with inserts of the piquet cards in the bottom right-hand corner, plus four more 'Eteila' cards.
I don't agree with this sentence.
I didn't see any "Le Petit Oracle des Dames" announced with 36 cards, only with 42.
Naturally one may assume "cause of strong similarity" between motifs of the 36- and 42- version , that a version with 36 cards might be older one and was earlier addressed as "Le Petit Oracle des Dames", but this stays only a hypothesis and is not more.
The post just gives two references together, I did not mean to suggest they were the same.
There is the 1796, that came with a (non-decribed) game of cards, that was re-issued in 1798 from Deroy.
There is the confusingly named 1797, Petit oracle des dames / Petit Etteilla, jeu de 42 cartes, by Saint-Sauver.
(Assuming the deck contained piquet inserts, perhaps the suggestion is that it can be used as either?)
While not the same, it is worth noting I think the links between them in that Deroy was a publisher of Saint-Sauveur; the texts of both draw heavily from Etteilla's l'art de lire dans les cartes, 1791, and also the curious phrase in both l'art chronomancique, a phrase that so far I have only been able to find in reference to these two (Deroy & Saint-Sauveur) works. (Apart from the 1815 "Le Nouvel Etteilla, ou l'Art de Tirer les Cartes et de lire dans l'Avenir by Alliette; Thomas-Joseph Lecrêne-Labbey; Théodore Pitrat", but that is basically just a reprint of the Deroy.)
I'll have to look back through the thread but off the top of my head we so far have references from 1796 to 1800/02 for Saint-Sauveur & Deroy (either alone or together) for Le Petit Etteilla, the Petit Oracle des Dames, the confusingly named Petit Oracle des Dames / Petit Etteilla, jeu de 42 cartes, the non-described game that served the 1796 book...
I don't understand the discussion completely.
We once started with a "1797" at ...
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=169991&highlight=1797&page=15
... in the thread "Why did Eliphas Lévi link Le Mat with Shin? "
https://books.google.de/books?hl=de...oracle+dames#v=snippet&q=oracle dames&f=false
The text claimed to be from 1797 [WRONG], but later researches found, that the book contained also dates of the year 1800, so that the google-dating was not reliable.
NOT RELIABLE DATE
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by Pierre Roux, Dujardin-Sailly
Further there is your report of the Depaulis communication:
The first edition of Le Petit Oracle des Dames / Petit Etteilla was published in 1797 as:
Petit oracle des dames / Petit Etteilla, jeu de 42 cartes, avec livret Tableaux mobiles des jeux de fortune, ou l'Art de lire dans l'avenir avec sûreté par le rapprochement des événemens qui démontrent sans réplique l'art chronomancique. A Paris, Chez l'Auteur, rue Nicaise Nr. 513. An cinquième / 1797.
No publisher. (Two copies in private collections)
Jacques Grasset de Saint-Sauveur is certainly the author.
The accompanying booklet hugely draws on Etteilla's "testament": Etteilla, ou l'art de lire dans les cartes, 1791, with the original cartonomancie being substituted for cartomancie.
I take the inner part as the announcement, that Depaulis found (would be nice to know, where he did found this).
We note, that the
"42 cartes" are mentioned, nothing about a 36 cartes.
The address rue "Nicaise Nr. 513" makes it plausible, that it indeed is from 1797, cause since 1798 Saint-Sauveur has his address at rue Coq-Heron, Maison la France.
The number 513 is strange, I don't know, if it appears elsewhere. The street rue de Nicaise has about 200 meters and 500 house numbers are difficult to imagine. Possibly there is a very big house, and it has different appartements with an own number each. For the year 1800 I found (Sauveur seems to have left the place then to Coq-Heron), that the address Nicaise Nr. 513 belonged to a printer "Charles".
For this I studied the map of 1736. There, where I suspect, that the rue Nicaise had been, is such a big house on the old map.
Studying Louvre history a little bit, I got, that during the revolution parts of the Louvre and possibly the surrounding was given to preferred artists (? ... as far I understood this; one should study this more careful). St. Sauveur might have been inside this public programme. The following curious address "Maison La France", Rue Coq-Heron might have belonged to the same artists privileges. It's about 600 meters to the Louvre.
DEROY
German wiki, works of St-Sauveur:
Costumes des représentans du Peuple, membres des deux conseils, du Directoire Exécutif, des Ministres, des tribunaux, des messagers d'État, hussiers, et autres fonctionnaires publics, etc., dont les dessins originaux ont été confiés par le ministre de l'Intérieur au Citoyen Grasset-St-Sauveur gravées (sic!) par le cit. Labrousse, artiste de Bordeaux, connu par ses talens, et colorés d'après nature et avec le plus grand soin. Chaque figure est accompagné (sic!) d'une notice historique, Deroy, Paris, 1796, 31 S. und kolorierte Platten.
Encyclopédie des voyages contenant l'abrégé historique des moeurs, usages, habitudes domestiques, religions, fêtes, supplices, funérailles, sciences, arts, et commerce de tous les peuples: et la collection complette de leurs habillemens civils, militaires, religieux et dignitaires, dessinés d'apres la nature, gravés avec soin et colorés à l'aquarelle,Deroy, Paris, 1796, 5 Bände in 4° mit 432 Tafeln.
Recueil complet des costumes des autorités constituées civiles, militaires et de la marine, dont les dessins ont été confiés au Citoyen S. Sauveur par le ministre de l'intérieur, Deroy, Paris, 4°, 48 S. und Tafeln.
3 times Deroy, twice 1796, once 1798.