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Hi all.

This thread is up and running for a really long time now (since 21-09-2002) and maybe some POVs have improved in those 14 (!) years - but not to my knowledge because in the specific places no editions happened.

There are so many detailed speculations that I can (and will) not refer to them in more detail because this would only lead to other speculative interpretations from more "intuitive" POVs.

I'd suggest instead to take another approach to solve the "naming" and "meaning" problem and that would be to take the authors and what they did create (in code sometimes > LLBATELEVER > Jean Noblet > very seriously.

You all took very educated journeys to other places (Persia and Languedoc I liked the best but for other than the proposed reasons) and languages that are at the first sight far away from the countries Tarot graced with it's presence.

This post may not come your way in the usual manner and I apologize for that in advance but sometimes old shoes don't go all the way... or maybe they do - but you'll have to find and put them on in the 1st place

The 1st Tarot on French soil to our knowledge so far is the Jean Noblet from around 1650 - we shouldn't be nitpicking with some decades here I suppose.

Since he created this very artistic and often especially in this respect undervalued deck

( - and the following pages)

his LEFOV made it into the canonical TdMs with the same posture under the alias LE MAT that was pondered about here for 8 pages with 77 post and now I'm honored to add the 78th [sic!] one. Yay me!

So we should obviously start with the real meaning of LEFOV and proceed from there to LE MAT and the why of the name change.

The quite uneasy and unpractical posture of LEFOV could lead you further.
He is using TWO staves (the meaning of both in addition is explained here:

and the posts before that explain the "counting system" - so they could be interesting to read for readers interested in LEFOV's > LE MAT's chores too I assume.

He is carrying the stave with his bundle CROSSWISE what nobody would do - even if he would be crazy enough to use 2 staves for a journey by foot in the 1st place.

He holds his right arm with the strong shoulder in a quite awkward manner that is supposed to draw your attention to his "anatomical problem" > deformation (what is a serious hint at his "roots" because in a field of expertise nobody in this thread cared for in the past 14 years - or I did overlook it - if so my humble excuses! - it is a defining property and because of that The PMB homeless man is stricken with a GOITER).

Now you could say that a goiter and a bad shoulder have nothing in common - BUT that's the TRICK because when you take Jean with his inscription LEFOV seriously you would take the "V" for a real V and not for a disguised "U" and you would (maybe) reach the conclusion (because CODE you know... and LATIN is a language alchemists preferred AND weird abbreviations and tags to DISGUISE their intentions for the laymen) that LEFOV is short for FOVea.
I deem you should be accustomed to such weird SHORTAGES because you took and take "Nas" for NICOLAS (a far cry indeed considering that Nicolas Conver was born 1784-12-31 - Marseille (Bouches-du Rhône) and died 1833-03-26 - Marseille (Bouches-du Rhône) with an active period from 1809-1833.

This all and much more is well documented at the Bibliothèque nationale de France where a version of the deck with the tag "1760" on the 2 of coins found refuge.
No time machine was found though with his belongings to my knowledge - but some go even so far to a CONSIDER that the NasCONVER on the 2 of coins COULD be a PSEUDONYM. Wow!

Taking the LATIN road and the crush on weird words in those times in SECRET texts authors fell victim to often you could come to another conclusion (considering the CARD and the way it is depicted in on)...

...that doesn't stick to the topic I sadly believe. Maybe here around is a thread about The BATELEUR too?
If someone could point me there if - THAT would be simply great!

1. fovea a pit
2. fovea pitfall
3. fovea trap for game

In the medical profession fovea is in use for many centuries now to describe the "pits" of the human body and there is a whole catalog of them when you care to look at wikipedia and medical tomes.

For Jean's LEFOV 2 are of special interest:

The ARMPIT that is called in Latin axilla which is the biggest fovea the body has to offer:

fovea - foveae (pl)

1. A small fossa (a trench, channel, or hollow place), pit, or depression.
2. A depression on the surface of the body; such as, the axilla, or on the surface of a bone.
The axilla is the cavity beneath the junction of the arm and the body, better known as the "armpit". The term was borrowed directly from Latin and the Romans are said to also have considered the axilla simply "the armpit".
3. Etymology: fovea comes from Latin (akin to biber, "beaver", possibly to fodere, "to dig), a pit, especially for catching game.
Note please that French would attach a female article to fovea what Jean simply couldn't do because you all wouldn't have fallen for his cleverness.

So that was the armpit - one of many human foveae.

The 2nd of interest to "readers" of LEFOV should be the one which made it into "common" language: fovéola.

The Fovea centralis

This "pit" is responsible for or enables you to: acute vision what is the purpose for the dreamy (INNER vision too because where LEFOV comes from - and that is the cause for his correct place BETWEEN XX & XXI) head of a man on LEFOV's walking stick that is a denominatER for the system that Jean put to use in his deck because HE divides the card EXACTLY in 2 halfs (already explained in the above TH links:

You may think that this conclusion about the 2nd Fovea sounds a bit unfounded because it was discovered here in the west a bit later - but since your attention was already drawn to his SHOULDER you could deduct from there too...

The shoulder joint, (or glenohumeral joint from Greek glene, EYEBALL, + -oid, 'form of', + Latin humerus, shoulder), is a multiaxial synovial ball and socket joint and involves articulation between the glenoid cavity of the scapula (shoulder blade) and the head of the humerus (upper arm bone).

Now you may reason that this is a lot to take in BUT it gets better still:

You may have noted above that fovea is a SMALL manifestation of a bigger event called FOSSA:

1. A small fossa (a trench, channel, or hollow place), pit, or depression.
Now: because Latin and history and geography and common language The FOSSA is also an animal (some without specific knowledge would call it a CAT):

This animal has very interesting peculiarities in itself:

The anus is hidden in a special pouch and especially the FEMALES and their nether regions appear quite "male" - but let's go with a wiki quote:

External genitalia

One of the more peculiar physical features of this species is its external genitalia. The male fossa has an unusually long penis and baculum (penis bone), reaching to between his forelegs when erect, with an average thickness of 20 mm (0.79 in). The glans extends about halfway down the shaft and is spiny except at the tip. In comparison, the glans of felids is short and spiny, while that of viverrids is smooth and long. The female fossa exhibits transient masculization, starting at about 1–2 years of age, developing an enlarged, spiny clitoris that resembles a male's penis. The enlarged clitoris is supported by an os clitoridis, which decreases in size as the animal grows. The females do not have a pseudo-scrotum, but they do secrete an orange substance that colors their underparts, much like the secretions of males. Hormone levels (testosterone, androstenedione, dihydrotestosterone) do not seem to play a part in this transient masculization, as those levels are the same in masculinized juveniles and nonmasculinized adults. It is speculated that the transient masculization either reduces sexual harassment of juvenile females by adult males, or reduces aggression from territorial females. While females of other mammal species (such as the spotted hyena) have a pseudo-penis, no other is known to diminish in size as the animal grows.
This should have been more than enough stuff for legends to rise in the 17th century but there is still more.

This animal is limited to Madagascar since it developed there and etymologists assume that the colloquial name Fossa could have been derived from trade languages during the 1600s.

Madagascar was far away from France but it had for some time a French governor who experienced horrible events in his district:

The giant fossa was a low-slung puma-like carnivore that, judging from the size of its jaws, was a formidable predator. It is thought to have survived until historical times, and probably preyed on some of the large lemur species that are also now extinct. Étienne de Flacourt, French governor of Madagascar during the mid-seventeenth century, described an animal called the ‘antamba’ which might represent a living giant fossa in his ‘L’Histoire de le Grande Île de Madagascar’(1658).Étienne_de_Flacourt

Antamba, ein Raubtier wie ein großer Hund mit einer runden Schnauze, das nach Berichten der Einwohner einem Leoparden ähnelt und Mensch wie Vieh frisst. Dieses Tier sei sehr selten und nur in den einsamsten Bergregionen zu finden.

Translation from the above German text to English:

Antamba, a predator like a big dog with a round snout that resembles a leopard, as reported by residents and it eats humans like cattle. This animal is very rare and only found in the most remote mountain regions.

During his reign some events took place with these Antambas/giant Fossas that looked like they had gone on a distinct killing spree for HUMANS that probably should have made it to the yellow press in France.

But in Jean's case there would have probably been no need for that channel because such things happened for a long time on Madagascar and since the 7th century Omani Arabs and Shirazi Persians established trading posts there and a great deal of their lore found it's way to the "old" world in writing and translation and by personal accounts.

As Madagascan lore about the Fossa goes it has a lust for human entrails and starts with the nether parts by ripping them from the prey and so digging a hole to feed from.

This behavior should have been a trait of the gigantic variety (lions follow sometimes that pattern because the belly of nearly any prey is sooo soft... ) that possibly went extinct and so this creepy feeding style was transfered (in the lore) to the still surviving little rascals who were/are not capable of feeding on humans as long they are alive and kicking. So they became (in the mind) a nearly supernatural force that went hunting for the weak - like on the card.

This was never observed by zoologists but the LORE goes that way - and you see it right there depicted on the turf of LEFOV in it's small appearance that is endangered to be taken for a DOG - by later know-not-so-muchs (AEW for instance with his romantic take on the matter - BUT he and others incorporated the PIT still to show that they knew SOMETHING ).

Interesting still is that AEW (even when he did take the Fossa for a little dog) got the COLOR and the SIZE of the animal right (like Jean) because the YOUNG Fossa appears gray or nearly white and normally reaches up to 80 cm in body length with a similar long tail (Jean!).

Juveniles are either gray or nearly white.

(The site owner has published some very neat (especially ONE) pictures there that for the life of me I found no way to download for show here because it gives concerning the "creepiness" a much better impression as the wiki illustrations.)

AC made it a tiny little TIGER though on his starry eyed green monster card to show that HE knew SOMETHING TOO - but not so much. Otherwise he wouldn't have dared to change the LINES of the centuries that he did not understand a BIT - all the while searching for DETAILS to make fun of them in his dumbed down "interpretations" of wisdom.

So that was LEFOV.
Now the change to LE MAT and why and what it REALLY means

MAT has clearly no standing as a noun in the French language - but you should try to add a circumflex "Â/â" to the "A" and voilà: Le Mât is ready to set sails to roam the 7 seas of wonder because he now is well known as: The MAST.

When you read thoroughly through the wiki text about that tiny thing you may understand that the circumflex is CODE in itself but now I'm getting clearly ahead of myself too...

His employer LE BATELIER that came to you disguised and misunderstood as LE BATELEUR (already explained in the above TH link) wouldn't know how to keep the “Toue Cabanée" in check and the 20 passengers too.

The “rack” [on LE MAT's right shoulder] is attached with 2 knots to the spar and adorned with 5 bells (NasConver – 1760) in the later TdMs to conceal it a bit.

This kind of “rack” is only used with “square rigs”. The most old fashioned style for sailing but very effective for tailwind and pace. The Vikings had them on their “dragons” who took them to the “new world”.
In France (the Loire region i. e.) this kind of rigging is still in use today.
The “Scute de Loire” and the “Toue Cabanée” are fine examples for that.
The “Toue Cabanée” is especially interesting for our cause because it is made with a cabin – for up to 20 voyagers [sic!].

The “captain” and his “mast” – and 20 passengers.
The above is a qoute from my thread PDF (page 24) for TH:

Please ask if you think that I have anything forgotten to mention or you need more explanations on some matters and please note that this was NOT about the meaning of the card itself!

I'd be happy to tell - so don't be shy.

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