Windhorse
Hi folks.
Over in the Crowley Forum, a few of us have been bandying around a few words about Crowley's sequence, the Star-Emperor thing, Justice-Strength, the hebrew letter associations, etc.
For the context, go see the threads "The Star Card" by archer1 and "Thoth, the Tree of Life and the Star" by Dulcimer.
On of the things I have been growing aware of is the what I see as an inadequate association of the astrological symbols with the cards and/or hebrew letters, generally attributed to the work of the Golden Dawn-ers.
Having scoured my copy of a translation of the Sefer Yetzirah (Aryeh Kaplan), the several books I have related to Crowley Thoth Tarot, and several other threads scattered throughout this website, I have started to question critically the astrological correspondences.
So I have started this conversation to get people's thoughts and wisdom on all of this. So here is what I have come up with so far.
ARIES = THE FOOL
TAURUS = THE EMPRESS(?)
CANCER = THE EMPRESS(?) / THE HIGH PRIESTESS(?)
VIRGO = THE STAR(?) / TEMPERANCE(?)
LIBRA = STRENGTH
SCORPIO = THE DEVIL
SAGITTARIUS = THE HIEROPHANT
VENUS = THE LOVERS
MARS = THE CHARIOT
JUPITER = THE EMPEROR
SATURN = THE HERMIT
URANUS = THE TOWER
PLUTO = DEATH
These are just the 'controversial' ones. I'm pretty happy with the typical associations for cards like the Magician and the Moon. But as I see it, they're all open for scrutiny and re-distribution.
So I'd love to have your opinions. I will endeavour to explain some of my reasonings for the above correspondences (I have limited time currently...)
I will start with this little gem from Kwaw.
Here's the link for the whole thread:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=21452&page=1&pp=10
This was the basis for the start of my re-thunk of this little issue.
I look forward to reading some of your thoughts and ideas. I do feel its about time that we move on from the GD. The Tarot is an evolving system, why should we be stuck back in the 19th century after all....?!?!?!??!???
Over in the Crowley Forum, a few of us have been bandying around a few words about Crowley's sequence, the Star-Emperor thing, Justice-Strength, the hebrew letter associations, etc.
For the context, go see the threads "The Star Card" by archer1 and "Thoth, the Tree of Life and the Star" by Dulcimer.
On of the things I have been growing aware of is the what I see as an inadequate association of the astrological symbols with the cards and/or hebrew letters, generally attributed to the work of the Golden Dawn-ers.
Having scoured my copy of a translation of the Sefer Yetzirah (Aryeh Kaplan), the several books I have related to Crowley Thoth Tarot, and several other threads scattered throughout this website, I have started to question critically the astrological correspondences.
So I have started this conversation to get people's thoughts and wisdom on all of this. So here is what I have come up with so far.
ARIES = THE FOOL
TAURUS = THE EMPRESS(?)
CANCER = THE EMPRESS(?) / THE HIGH PRIESTESS(?)
VIRGO = THE STAR(?) / TEMPERANCE(?)
LIBRA = STRENGTH
SCORPIO = THE DEVIL
SAGITTARIUS = THE HIEROPHANT
VENUS = THE LOVERS
MARS = THE CHARIOT
JUPITER = THE EMPEROR
SATURN = THE HERMIT
URANUS = THE TOWER
PLUTO = DEATH
These are just the 'controversial' ones. I'm pretty happy with the typical associations for cards like the Magician and the Moon. But as I see it, they're all open for scrutiny and re-distribution.
So I'd love to have your opinions. I will endeavour to explain some of my reasonings for the above correspondences (I have limited time currently...)
I will start with this little gem from Kwaw.
kwaw said:As in astrology Aries in the natural order of the zodiac is associated with 'self', so its opposite, Libra, is associated with this 'perfect self' as 'other'. Libra in the SY is attributed to the letter Lamed, which among other things is said to symbolize the power to direct and control the animal instinct.
The guardian angel is symbolised by an angel closing the mouth of a lion, after the Angel who 'shut the mouths of the Lions' protecting Belteshazzar, chief of the magicians, exorcists, Chaldeans and diviners [also known as Daniel] in the Lion's den. According to kabbalisitic texts, possibly influenced by neoplatonic doctrines, this Guardian Angel was Daniel's own 'self made perfect'.
This personal angel is a mediating principle between the magician and the angel Metatron, or the form in which Metatron the Active Intellect can be drawn down. As such another of the names of the angel Metatron is 'one two', symbolising the self and the higher self as other.
Kwaw
Here's the link for the whole thread:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=21452&page=1&pp=10
This was the basis for the start of my re-thunk of this little issue.
I look forward to reading some of your thoughts and ideas. I do feel its about time that we move on from the GD. The Tarot is an evolving system, why should we be stuck back in the 19th century after all....?!?!?!??!???