Laurelle
Barley, Sam, and friends,
I think I may be going around in circles, and perhaps as usually over thinking things to the point of debauchery (haha)....
I got out the Thoth deck. Crowley calls the 7 of Cups Debauch and the 8 of Cups Indolence.
Isn't alchemy the process of turning metal into gold? But the true gold is actually following ones soul and the messages that lie in front of you in your journey to find enlightenment?
So many men have tried to find meaning with the seven illusions that are on earth? The seven being whatever (fill in the blank), so they look to the jewels, to the woman, to the priestess who is covered, they look at all the seven cups for meaning, but forget that the answer to the quest lies in the seekers soul? And in the process becomes overwhelmed and muddled down?
Is that why Crowley called the card Debauch because it means excess, gluttony and the pursuit of goals that will never materialize. The seven of cups is really just a shadow man looking at all the material pursuits that will never make him happy and so why bother or try?
It's like the person who tries to turn metal into gold. They try and try, but they never succeed. Just as the man in the picture sees many options and tries very hard to turn each into an enlightened experience, but he will never succeed because all the answers were inside of him? All the answers were never in jewels or castles or beautiful women or another prophet (for we are all prophets).
So instead of balancing himself, he goes to the extreme and become lazy, walking away from trying to turn metal into gold. That is why Crowley called the 8 of Cups Indolence? Neither are the right path, but the true path is recognized in the 9 of Cups? Is that what Crowley was going with this?
In regard to Waite and the 7 of Cups, I believe in recognizing the symbolism in many things. If it speaks to me and I listen carefully I find messages in cards, the wind, and coincidences. but it has to speak to each one of us individually, so we are all on different paths, but all trying to get to the same place. So each of us follows our own heart and the way it speaks to us.
Here we are trying to connect many esoteric and occult principles to the 7 of Cups and hence learning things from them. I am not trying to turn metal into gold by analyzing the 7 of Cups to the point of debauchery. I guess I am looking for meaning that will lead me to finding more meaning. It will lead me to discover other things. For instance, I didn't really know much about the 7 deadly sins, nor the 7 and 9 alchemical processes until reading this thread.
PS. My only real knowledge of Alchemy comes from The Alchemist a fiction book by Paulo Coelho that I've read numerous times, so forgive me if I'm adding in fictional references. Sorry if I sound confused.
I think I may be going around in circles, and perhaps as usually over thinking things to the point of debauchery (haha)....
I got out the Thoth deck. Crowley calls the 7 of Cups Debauch and the 8 of Cups Indolence.
Isn't alchemy the process of turning metal into gold? But the true gold is actually following ones soul and the messages that lie in front of you in your journey to find enlightenment?
So many men have tried to find meaning with the seven illusions that are on earth? The seven being whatever (fill in the blank), so they look to the jewels, to the woman, to the priestess who is covered, they look at all the seven cups for meaning, but forget that the answer to the quest lies in the seekers soul? And in the process becomes overwhelmed and muddled down?
Is that why Crowley called the card Debauch because it means excess, gluttony and the pursuit of goals that will never materialize. The seven of cups is really just a shadow man looking at all the material pursuits that will never make him happy and so why bother or try?
It's like the person who tries to turn metal into gold. They try and try, but they never succeed. Just as the man in the picture sees many options and tries very hard to turn each into an enlightened experience, but he will never succeed because all the answers were inside of him? All the answers were never in jewels or castles or beautiful women or another prophet (for we are all prophets).
So instead of balancing himself, he goes to the extreme and become lazy, walking away from trying to turn metal into gold. That is why Crowley called the 8 of Cups Indolence? Neither are the right path, but the true path is recognized in the 9 of Cups? Is that what Crowley was going with this?
In regard to Waite and the 7 of Cups, I believe in recognizing the symbolism in many things. If it speaks to me and I listen carefully I find messages in cards, the wind, and coincidences. but it has to speak to each one of us individually, so we are all on different paths, but all trying to get to the same place. So each of us follows our own heart and the way it speaks to us.
Here we are trying to connect many esoteric and occult principles to the 7 of Cups and hence learning things from them. I am not trying to turn metal into gold by analyzing the 7 of Cups to the point of debauchery. I guess I am looking for meaning that will lead me to finding more meaning. It will lead me to discover other things. For instance, I didn't really know much about the 7 deadly sins, nor the 7 and 9 alchemical processes until reading this thread.
PS. My only real knowledge of Alchemy comes from The Alchemist a fiction book by Paulo Coelho that I've read numerous times, so forgive me if I'm adding in fictional references. Sorry if I sound confused.