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Another example:

“Etteilla must have known and taught these correspondences (Hebrew letter/Tarot) in the late 1700s, because a consortium of his Italian students redacted his Trumps back to the Marseilles model in the years just following his death (see the Cartomancia Italiana Tarot, dated by Kaplan to the beginning of the 19th century)...

“...In Italy, the 19th century Cartomancia restated the esoteric matrix sub-standing Etteilla's Trumps; that Tarot has made it considerably easier to unscramble which of Etteilla's images relate to which Trumps of the older Tarots...”
1. There is no evidence that Etteilla made any correspondences between the Hebrew letters and tarot trumps.

2. The Cartomancia Italiana is a modern reproduction by Solleone of a 19th century hybrid. The pips and courts are from the Jeu de la Princesse first published in 1843 in book form (something significantly greater than the years just following his death (1791). The trumps are a weird mix of some Etteilla like designs and those of the Gumppenberg Della Rocca (c.1835). It is a hybrid that differs so greatly from Etteilla that it strikes me more as pure invention than a representation of Etteilla 'secret teachings' to an Italian consortium. Whatever, it is something of a leap to go from Kaplan's early 19th century (actually closer to mid-19th century or after from the sources it combines - I doubt it is earlier than the French Jeu de la Princesse deck c.1865) to a period 'just after his death.'

3. There is no mystery to unscramble about which of Etteilla's trumps correspond to the TdM trumps, Etteilla himself gives this information (and the Cartomancier Italiana does not follow them!).

4. There is no reference to hebrew letters on the Cartomancier Italiana anyway (Christine seems to think that a conversion to TdM like trumps is sufficient enough demonstration).
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