study group application ~ aquarius

Alright, we're going to be talking about Aquarius, Uranus and 11th, and how these three play out in our natal charts. Since Saturn is Aquarius' traditional ruler, if you have anything Aquarian to add about old Chronos, go right on ahead. For the most recent news etc about the group, pls go here: http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?threadid=8487

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I'm Aqu ASC, conj Mars in 1st. Venus conj Neptune in 11th/Sag. Scrop Uranus conj MC. I'm breaking up my post so it's not so intimidating ^_^

Aqu ASC makes me easily bored. w/Mars conj, my search for intellectual stimulation is very aggressive and highly active. I've read Mars conj ASC makes a person active physically, and Aries like. I have Arien traits, but they're usually played out in the realm of intellect. Sports and gyms tend to bore me, it's all about Aquarian communication and theory for me. More about how Mars affects my communication style in April when we do Aries!

Aqu ASC also makes me form unusual theories and have an interest in marginalized grps. However, while I hold socialist values and criticize capitalism, I don't support Socialist movements. I don't see that they offer feasible alternatives to capitalism (heh heh, my Cap sun at work there eh).

I've never been viewed as a rebel or eccentric but perhaps in the past, I could be labelled as such, although the term would have to be applied very loosly. When I was younger though, I was very defiant and at that time, social conformity was my greatest moral transgression I still have *serious* probs w/authority if the authority is being abused, or if it's inadequate.

Aqu is also a science oriented sign. This might explain why all my closer friends are scientists/engineers despite having artsy Venus/Neptune in 11th. It was very difficult for me to give up science in terms of my formal education.

related Aqu planets

Uranus & Mars in sextile (and therefore, Uran sextile ASC/Mars sextile MC) and mutual reception has given me a *deep affinity* for technology, esp digital tech. I love all computers and DV cameras.

Uranus is a singleton (water/Scorpio) and ruler of my ASC, so its energy is pretty strong in my chart. Mars is also a singleton, being the only planet below the ASC/DC axis. This coupled w/strong Scorpian chart energy, make themes of destruction, revolution (not necessarily in the political sense), and personal/social change voluntarily major parts of my life.

w/Venus and Neptune in 11th, I like to get involved w/groups, but w/sun in 12th, am at my core, an introvert and prefer solitude. I do however, support local art communities. I want to work in film which is a total *creative group effort*. I am also supportive of the development internet communities b/c of my penchant for mainstream alternatives.

11th Venus/Neptune + Aqu ASC might point to lots of friends, but I don't care to keep in touch w/those I consider aquaintances; I happy w/just a few friends. I don't have a personal 'circle', my friends have nothing in common and don't really know each other. In fact, the friends I choose can have very different interests, belief systems and lifestyles from me as well!

Venus/Nept conj also points to being sensitive or idealistic etc. But w/my low water and other chart factors, I am very unsentimental, and while I empathize very readily (esp w/marginalized/'amoral' persons), I rarely sympathize. I'm not nuturing in any conventional sense. Earth sun makes me more pragmatic than dreamy. I do however have a very rich and extravagant imagination and dream life. They both quintile my Jupiter/Saturn conj which might point to the creative slant of my inner world. Venus/Neptune might also soften down the extremely aggressive and independent energy in my chart, at least initially. I'm *very* easy to get along w/until you get to know me better!

p.s. If anyone has more to say about the whole Mars-Uran ASC-MC Aqu-Scorp connection, I'd love to hear it!
p.p.s. I think my Venus/Neptune placement gives a good example of why interpreting planets in isolation can lead you astray! Always try to consider the whole chart ^_^

Aquarius with the traditional Ruler - Saturn

Aquarius – all sorts of romantic, idealistic associations for some reason but this is probably to do with youthful memories of Summer and the late 60’s early 70’s when some of the big social movements had begun. In the post 60’s glow we all thought the world would change (and it did, indeed). The Women’s movement flowered; so did Gay Lib. Australia had the most radical social democratic government it is ever likely to have. It’s Time! We all shouted as we moved towards the future. We were fortunate people.

Aquarius cusps my 2nd House, where I have no planets at all. If we take Saturn to be the ruler of Aquarius, this period is a very critical time for me because Saturn is aspecting its natal position.

Saturn Rx is in my natal 8th House, along with Pluto Rx. The last time this aspect happened was 1973, a very significant time in my life. Apart from all the political excitement of the times, I came out, developed a couple of serious illnesses and geographically relocated to Australia’s equivalent of the American deep south. In many ways I had a wonderful and eventful time. Those of us who were together wonder now how we managed to survive LOL.

Well the aspect is about to happen again, and I’ve felt the build up to it. It was only last night that I was able to identify the event via my new astrology software program. The predicted effects don’t really matter but they will result in some kind of major psychic change, not an eccentric risky journey, if I manage it all positively. Things might be stripped away but there isn’t much anxiety about this. I am in the year of the Hermit, after all!

Natal Saturn Rx and Pluto Rx in the 8th House make me look internally for answers (Hermit)and the 2nd House is the House of self – mentally and materially – so there is potential for some major impact here. The 8th House is associated with society and groups within it but I'll be letting that go for a while.

What you say about looking at the whole chart is spot on, Isthmus and Minderwiz. Aquarius is also about independence and the non-traditional, and that theme is apparent throughout the whole chart and my life. A lot more could be said but I think this impending aspect is the most important theme for me right now.

I’ll close this part of the post with some reflection and understanding . I’ve been studying astrology for just a few short months but I’ve been able to see most of the past in the chart and it has been illuminating. I used to wonder a little about everything being written in the stars and how it reconciled with free will and choice. I don't now. The chart simply tells us where the energies and opportunities lie.

Now my Saturn returns again to aspect the natal position but I have much more insight and power and go into this karmic opportunity with much curiosity.

So, this is the scene with Saturn as the traditional Ruler of Aquarius. I might do another post later about the perspective with the contemporary Ruler, Uranus, who is located in my 6th House in opposition to natal Sun in Sagittarius.

Astrology gives us all a chance to understand our lives as mythic journeys, doesn’t it? We can travel with the Gods for a short time.

More later...

Moongold

Of royal lineage....

Did you know that Saturn is the son of Uranus and Gaia?

Moongold

I have Moon in Aquarius conjunct my Descendant (sixth house side) and Opposed to Pluto, Mars, and Saturn in Leo. These are quite difficult oppositions - Moon/Mars tends to be fiercely protective and sensitive to any discord around. Moon/Saturn is an indicator of limited feelings, or a fear of expressing feelings or defensive feelings and is often linked to situations of relatively solitary childhood. Moon/Pluto is buried feelings and intense emotions. All things that it takes well into adulthood to come to a modus vivendi with. However all of these are indicators of powerful feelings, even if they are not expressed openly.

The Moon is not particularly well placed in Aquarius and only the last ten degrees give some essential dignity but then only by face - the Moon rules the last decanate. Luckily my Moon falls into this. Even so people with Aquarius Moons are rather suspicious of their feelings, emotions and instinctive reaction and indeed any display of feeling or emotion at all. It's just not something they're comfortable with unless their are plenty of Water placements elsewhere.

My natal Moon is also trine to Uranus which is in the eleventh House and Uranus also trines my Sun in the third however these trines are not close enough to set up a grand trine. The Moon/Uranus contact tends to indicate emotional independance - which it does with me, and it can indicate sudden mood changes, which I don't suffer (Libra Sun and many planets in fixed signs)

I don't think Aquarius is a particularly sociable sign or Uranus a sociable planet at a personal level - Aquarians like the idea of humanitarianism and may well believe in the importance of groups and associations to society but they're far to independant to feel that they particularly need to have a lot of friends or to participate with a lot of others in group activities. I think Isthmus' description of her friendships is a good indicator of an Aquarain approach - friendships are often more bilateral than group and tend to reflect the individual (and possibly unusual) intrests of the Aquarian.

As well as friends and societies the eleventh also rules hopes, wishes, goals, objectives and desires. It also rules counselors and counsel - Aquarians are naturally good at giving detached advice and this is reflected in the house rulership. The eleventh also rules legislatures, city councils and boards of directors.

Some questions

Thanks Isthmus and Minderwiz,

It is very interesting to read your analyses.

I think I need some assistance, if you're available.

I became very excited and interested in Saturn last night because it seemed so significant. I know from my reading today that I am not old enough to have a second Saturn return (three years away from it) so I went to the Janus report which said "dynamic aspect" and identified it as a "semisquare" which is defined in my reading today as "motivating, stressing". I had done a composite aspects report from Janus initially.

The Janus interpretations seem to attach significant weight to this aspect and it feels right but other astrology sites don't give the same weight to it. They wait for a bit later in the cycle for their heavy duty stuff.

For example Astrodienst identify the Saturn conjunct Uranus (26/3 to 21/4) as being fairly heavy duty and Saturn opposite Sun 21 April 11 May as being extra heavy duty.

I'm glad this is a learning group and that and I'm not responsible for predicting the weather, the stock market or much else because it could be a bit funny. I'm very curious though and would like to get it right.

It is obvious that Saturn is really important to me this year and I can see how with Saturn's relatively slow orbit, its effects and aspects could be felt for years. I imagine the same issues will apply to everyone eventually. The 29 year cycle stuff is fascinating and rings so true.

Both Saturn and Pluto are retrograde in my natal chart, which people seem to regard as quite negative. I imagine that the influence of Saturn would be dependent on the placement of everything else in the chart too but this does seem a bit unusual, possibly because I am so new to it. Are there times in your charts/lives when a whole bunch of things seem clustered together in a heavy duty way? You've got a few interesting things happening, I notice Minderwiz.

I hope my actual questions are clear. It's about the relative value of aspects and the overall approach to chart synthesis, I think.

Many thanks,

Moongold

Moongold,

Transiting Saturn is actually applying to a sextile to your natal Saturn at this moment - indeed it is only 30 minutes off partile. Saturn will be of considerable importance to you over the time these planets are in aspect (and this has already being going on some time)

Rather than give you an interpretation now, I'll let you have a look at the aspect and see what you think. Then if you need a second opinion or a little help, I'm sure Isthmus and I could contribute. But its better if you have a go yourelf first - your coming on a lot and its worth taking the challenge.

Thanks Minderwiz

I'd like to try this but let me make sure the information is right. This is just for Capricorn and Aquarius - Jan - Feb.

I did a transitions report from Janus with a 5 degree orb and was advised that in January - February, the following Saturn aspects would occur. I'll just mention the days Janus indicates the effect will be strongest although the aspect sometims seems to extend for weeks.

1 Jan: Sat square Ascendant
31 Jan: Sat sesqui quadrate North Node & Pluto Rx
31 Jan: Sat semi-square natal Saturn & Pluto Rx
31 Jan: Sat & Pluto Rx trine Venus
20 Feb: Sat quincunx Moon

There are a few other significant aspects predicted during this time as well, particularly with Uranus in relation to other planets that would affect an overall interpretation but I just want to make sure I get the basic Saturn ones right first.

Thanks Minderwiz. If you could confirm or comment on the above information I'd appreciate it and I'd love to have a go at the interpretation myself.

Moongold

Well, these don't seem to be transits to your chart at all, unless my version of your chart in complete rubbish. I've got your Saturn at 22 degrees 28 minutes of Leo, (which actually is only a degree of mine, though I was born whilst Saturn was still Direct). Currently Saturn stands at 22 degrees 57 minutes of Gemini and is also retrograde - so it is applying to your Saturn by Sextile.

None of the other aspects are reflections of possible transits between the planets and your chart so I'm not sure what you did but you haven't got Saturn transits for the January/February period.

As a rule of thumb Saturn takes just under 30 years to do its complete cycle that's just over 12 degres per year or one degree per month. There's no way that Saturn can move from squaring your Ascendant (which is Capricorn so Saturn either has to be in Libra or Aries to square it) and then move to a semi-square (45 degree movement) in 31 days.

So I'm at a loss to understand the figures you've given unless you asked for something else than you thought you'd asked for.

However it terms of transits, Saturn in Gemini sextiles your natal Saturn in Leo and its a very close Saturn so this is an important period - probably for the next three months or so - possibly longer.