Ancient Meanings of Pips

Hi Everybody,

if you are interested in it, I can post the meanings old women still give to Tarot (Marseille) in Italy.
Unfortunately they seldom can be linked to numerology, but these are really the traditional meanings.

annika

Oh yes. That would be wonderful. Sì, sì, sì. Per favore.


M

It would be great!The more ideas we get the easier it becomes.

Ok, so you can let me know what you think about it. I tried to find a logic behind it, but I suspect there isn't any.

Here you are with Wands.

Asso di bastoni (Ace of Wands)
Upright: BIRTH, but also beginning, good luck, will, family
Reversed: RUIN, but also errors, financial loss, pain

Due di bastoni (2 of Wands)
Upright: PROBLEMS, but also pessimism,anger, sadness, pain
Reversed: SURPRISE, unexpected events

Tre di bastoni ( 3 of Wands)
Upright: BOLD ENTERPRISE, bussiness, courage, something risky
Reversed: RELIEF, but it would be better to say change and this is both for the positive and for the negative. If the previous situation was negative it's an improvement of a situation, of course, but if the previous situation was positive, it will get worse.

Quattro di bastoni (4 of Wands)
Upright: SOCIETY, but also peace, association, decisions to be met with a group, marriage, stability
Reversed: PROSPERITY, good luck in financial matters, success, promotion, acknowlegement

Cinque di bastoni (5 of Wands)
Upright: WEALTH, obtained through hard work
Reversed: ARGUMENT, loss of money, quarrel, discussion, civil action

Sei di bastoni (6 of Wands)
Upright: SERVANT, a messenger, daily routine
Reversed: CONCERN, anxiety, fear, suffering, obstacles

Sette di bastoni (7 of Wands)
Upright: SPEECH, language, grammar, marketplace, conference, debate, small talk
Reversed: INDECISION, hesitation, doubts

Otto di bastoni (8 of Wands)
Upright: FUN, short trips, people, innocence, garden, agriculture, park
Reversed: ARGUMENT or REGRET, repentance, hesitation, quarrel

Nove di bastoni (9 of Wands)
Upright: WAITING, delay, something slow, but also contact with strangers.
Reversed: BAD LUCK, obstacles, illness, sadness, accident

Dieci di bastoni (10 of Wands)
Upright: TREACHERY, lie, hypocrisy, cunning
Reversed: DIFFICULTIES, obstacles, being tired, doubts, distrust and suspicio

Fante di bastoni (Page of Wands)
Upright: MESSENGER /STRANGER/YOUNG MAN or FEMALE WITH BROWN HAIR, someone you can trust
Reversed: BAD NEWS

Cavaliere di bastoni (Knight of Wands)
Upright: CHANGE, departure, trip, change of residence or job, young man with brown hair
Reversed: SEPARATION, argument, divorce, escape

Regina di bastoni (Queen of Wands)
Upright: VIRTUE, woman, with brown, hair, female friend, unselfishness
Reversed: ILL WOMAN, someone in need, but also JEALOUSY if with negative cards

Re di bastoni (King of Wands)
Upright: INTEGRITY, wise man, man with brown hair, happy marriage, good news
Reversed: AUSTERITY, but sometimes DISPOTISM, bad news

annika

Cool! these mirror Etteilla.

An here are the Cups!

Asso di coppe (Ace of Cups)
Upright: PLENTY, joy, pleasure, hotel, restaurant, banquet, fertility, beauty, law
Reversed: CHANGE, instability, variation

Due di coppe (2 of Cups)
Upright: LOVE, attraction, passion, relationship, joy, sympathy
Reversed: DESIRE, lust, egoism, sensuality, jealousy

Tre di coppe ( 3 of Cups)
Upright: SUCCESS, solution to a problem, healing, triumph, perfection, happiness
Reversed: RELIEF, healing, conclusion, comfort

Quattro di coppe (4 of Cups)
Upright: BOREDOM, sickness, sorrows, bad friends, embarassment
Reversed: KNOWLEDGE, new friends, new relationship, news in general, premonition

Cinque di coppe (5 of Cups)
Upright: INHERITANCE, tradition, dowry, testament
Reversed: RELATIVES, parents, good friend, relationships, arrival of an old friend or realtive

Sei di coppe (6 of Cups)
Upright: PAST, memories, childhood, longing
Reversed: FUTURE, what is about to come

Sette di coppe (7 of Cups)
Upright: THOUGHT, idealism, fantasy, immagination, dreams, intelligence, opinons.
Reversed: PROJECTS, plans, will.

Otto di coppe (8 of Cups)
Upright: GIRL WITH BLOND HAIR / SHYNESS, love, tenderness, chastity.
Reversed: JOY, satisfaction, parties, repentance, excuses

Nove di coppe (9 of Cups)
Upright: VICTORY, success, advantage, earnings
Reversed: SINCERITY, truth, semplicity, innocence, boldness

Dieci di coppe (10 of Cups)
Upright: TOWN, the town where the querent lives, house, familiy
Reversed: ANGER, violence, arguments, danger, storm, grudge

Fante di coppe (Page of Cups)
Upright: TEEN WITH BLOND HAIR/ SHYNESS / RELIABILITY
Reversed: PROBLEMS WITH A RELATIONSHIP because of shyness, or because of immaturity

Cavaliere di coppe (Knight of Cups)
Upright: ARRIVAL / YOUNG MAN WITH BLOND HAIR, invitation, guest, hospitality, proposal
Reversed: FRAUD, seduction, cunning, malice, deceit, trivia

Regina di coppe (Queen of Cups)
Upright: WOMAN WITH BLOND HAIR / HONESTY, virtue, wisdom
Reversed: DISHONESTY / DISHONEST WOMAN, possessive woman, infidelity.

Re di coppe (King of Cups)
Upright: HONEST MAN / MAN WITH BLOND HAIR, maybe an artist or a priest, not so young
Reversed: DISHONESTY / DISHONEST MAN, hypocrisy, scandal, swindle, vice

Thank you so much annika334 for taking the time to write these out for us. They are a great resource!

M

Moar! Moar!

Umbrae said:

Cool! these mirror Etteilla.

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And therefore Mellet...And I see a lot of Mathers in these too.

Cool, yes. Good to see some Cartomancy in tarot!

I like Tarot and TdeM especially but recently I ‘ve got tired of endless ‘Ways of Heroes’,analising elements and so on. I’m not against Tarot as a tool of transformation,but I want to find a more ‘shamanic’or a more ‘gypsy’ way to read the cards to be able not only to say:’You’ll have some problems that you’ll overcome and get renewed’ but something like:’A year and a half or two years later you’ll get married and next month you’ll have to change the car’.Thank you annika334 for this information.