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Originally Posted by Lee View Post
There's already a thread about this deck in the Oracle section, but now that it's available as a full 78-card tarot deck, I thought it deserved a thread in Tarot Decks too.

This is problematic for a couple of reasons. First of all, the user is now dealing with two sets of pip symbols, which seems like one too many. Secondly, the user is forced to use Chris's assignment of French suits to Italian ones:

Diamonds=Coins/Earth
Clubs=Wands/Fire
Hearts=Cups/Water
Spades=Swords/Air

People who already read with playing cards might use that assignment, or another assignment, or no assignment at all (in other words, assigning meanings to the French suits without reference to Italian suits or to elemental associations). Those readers who use a different assignment or no assignment might be frustrated at having to look at a Wand, for example, on a Clubs card.
Hello,

I have found this deck extremely beautiful, but the suit assignment is why I did not get the deck. It is very disturbing for me to see Wands related to Clubs and Pentacles related to Diamonds. That is not how I see it. It would have disturbed me enough that I could not read with the deck.
For the same reason I stayed away from one Alice Dreamland tarot deck that used the same assigment (sorry I do not remember the exact name of that deck)

ETA : it is the Wonderland tarot by Abbey.

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Originally Posted by Spectre Made Flesh View Post
To be honest, I've always thought of it like that. Those associations make perfect sense to me! Surely it's entirely appropriate to equate Hearts with Cups/Water, Diamonds with coins/Earth etc.? Any other associations would be rather random - I can't imagine anyone thinking of Diamonds as the equivalent of Swords or something! The only alternative I know of is in terms of the elements - that some people equate swords with fire and wands with air, but even then I thought they were in the minority...
Well, those associations do make sense for english speakers, but I am not sure they make sense for everybody. And from my french point of view, they are not the best at all.

For me :
- Bâtons (wands) = Carreau (diamond). "Carreau" in french means "crossbow bolt" and brings to mind swiftness and fire
- Deniers (pentacles) = Trèfle (club). "Trèfle" in french means "clover" and in old french slang it means "money". That brings to mind earth, possessions, land.

So I do consider that the traditional elements apply (cups = water ; wands = fire ; pents = earth ; swords = air)
It is the relation between tarot suits and playing card suits that disturbs me on this deck.
Cups for hearts and Swords for spades are not a problem for me and make total sense, it is Pents and Wands that I traditionnaly see attached to different suits than english speakers.

This is just my personal opinion, born of my french mind ; I have no way of knowing if it is more legit than any other opinion, and I welcome all views.

I explain my views in more details in this thread :
https://www.tarotforum.net/showthrea...=1#post5053095
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