Major Arcana titles: L'Imperatrice

**jmd** · 04-09-2003

I suppose that many of the cards have titles which are so 'clear' that discussing them seems difficult.

So let me mention something I have found wonderful for the art of reflection as I consider some of the various titles the cards have.

The next card - which I guess we'll discuss next, L'Empereur, - is obviously not the simple masculine of 'Imperatrice'.

I'll post some of my reflections, not based on etymology, a little later...

Diana · 05-09-2003

A most mysterious post, jmd. Waiting for your reflections.

The triad of the Bateleur, the Papess and the Impératrice, i.e.: I came, I saw, I conquered.

Poor Emperor: not much left for him to do but to consolidate.

But please, I beg you, tell us more about this title "Impératrice".

It is curious, in my mind, that it is an Impératrice, and not a Reine (Queen).

Diana · 09-09-2003

jmd? Hellooooo! Is anyone home?

Darn, he didn't put on his answering machine.....

Well, I'll try and phone later, then.

**jmd** · 14-09-2003

To return to my post - and apologies, I was called off line and took some days to return and post.

I also did not mean to be 'mysterious' or even suggest a deep reflection on my part. Rather, the comments are somewhat simple.

Firstly, it would seem that 'L'imperatrice' has a clear Latin origin in title, without much due French modifying. If it had, one would, as for her male counterpart, have modified the title to 'L'Empresse' - but the connotations or varied, and not befitting of the highest of Ladies, and one from whose womb the ruler of the land may well be begotten.

With this title, there is also both the royal home and the inevitability of prerogative which are loosely impressed upon the mind through near homophony. The Imperial Palace, and the imperative, seem to fit more with the title as retained for the Empress by this earlier latinized form, than for the Emperor's French influenced title.

These are, as I said, mere reflections...

Rafaël · 24-07-2008

Woaw, this post is sleeping since 2001... Time to wake it up!

I know the following is not new (I read it in Alain Bocher's book of 1989) but I think it's the most important thing to say about L'Imperatrice's name (if not, jmd, please tell me, I can cope

):
In the Conver version the title has no ' (accent? don't know the name in english). This is to give us a clue on the meaning. 'LIMPERA' could be the base of 'LIMPIAR' that means 'purify'. There are other clues about this card to stress this meaning.

R.

**Yves Le Marseillais** · 25-07-2008

Hello all and Rafael,

I question myself:
An Imperatrice is Queen of Queens isn't it ?
An Emperor is King of Kings isn't it ?

Half joking Man

Yves Le Marseillais

Rafaël · 25-07-2008

Hi there Monsieur Le Marseillais,

A man questionning himself always has my utmost respect and attention!

I am quiet sure that you are right with that queen of queens statement.
But what is exactely your point my friend?

With regards,
Rafaël

ps: I have the impression I met you before

Le Marseillais · 25-07-2008

Hi Rafael,

I have no specific views about this card Impératrice but by seeing this thread I remenbered this statement.
As I don't trust anymore in "hasard" for years now, I suppose it is significant.
Sorrry that's all folks... for now.

May be you met me on Philippe Tourrasse AKA Camoin web Forum or on his 2005 Tarot courses in South France/Saint Maximin.
I should may be look on my pictures taken upon it.

Anyway I like this card on an aesthetic plan minimum, plus three number symbolic signification.

Three means seed, throat, green, revival, spring, voice, expression, extraversion and so on for a Numerologist isn't it ?

27 ° Celsius in Marseille "Tarot City" 21h56 PM

Yves

Rosanne · 25-07-2008

I have no trouble with the L' Imp.... L'Emp... or without the apostrophe as in the Noblet LEMPERATRISE. I reckon it is pretty plain it comes from the Latin Imperatus and Imperialis. I have a problem with ...atrice/atrise at the end. Of course it could just be plain ol' suffix forming the feminine word of Emperor- but Pape became Papesse?
So it makes me laugh to think of the commonly used term to loot and plunder in a flash of the eye......Trisen. Snatch, plunder and carry off.
She might be in terms of card playing the equivalent of the Spade Queen= the black Bitch of the deck, and can plunder all your tricks.
~Rosanne

jmd fourhares Join Date: 05 Aug 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 8,502	Major Arcana titles: L'Imperatrice I suppose that many of the cards have titles which are so 'clear' that discussing them seems difficult. So let me mention something I have found wonderful for the art of reflection as I consider some of the various titles the cards have. The next card - which I guess we'll discuss next, L'Empereur, - is obviously not the simple masculine of 'Imperatrice'. I'll post some of my reflections, not based on etymology, a little later...

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Rafaël Resident Join Date: 11 Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 68	Limperatrice Woaw, this post is sleeping since 2001... Time to wake it up! I know the following is not new (I read it in Alain Bocher's book of 1989) but I think it's the most important thing to say about L'Imperatrice's name (if not, jmd, please tell me, I can cope ): In the Conver version the title has no ' (accent? don't know the name in english). This is to give us a clue on the meaning. 'LIMPERA' could be the base of 'LIMPIAR' that means 'purify'. There are other clues about this card to stress this meaning. R.

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Yves Le Marseillais Call me animal MC 5 Join Date: 20 Oct 2007 Location: MARSEILLE FRANCE OLD €UROPE Posts: 331	Imperatrice Job Hello all and Rafael, I question myself: An Imperatrice is Queen of Queens isn't it ? An Emperor is King of Kings isn't it ? Half joking Man Yves Le Marseillais

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Rafaël Resident Join Date: 11 Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 68	L'Impératrice Hi there Monsieur Le Marseillais, A man questionning himself always has my utmost respect and attention! I am quiet sure that you are right with that queen of queens statement. But what is exactely your point my friend? With regards, Rafaël ps: I have the impression I met you before

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Le Marseillais Resident Join Date: 23 Mar 2005 Location: FRANCE MARSEILLE Posts: 91	Queen Of Queens Hi Rafael, I have no specific views about this card Impératrice but by seeing this thread I remenbered this statement. As I don't trust anymore in "hasard" for years now, I suppose it is significant. Sorrry that's all folks... for now. May be you met me on Philippe Tourrasse AKA Camoin web Forum or on his 2005 Tarot courses in South France/Saint Maximin. I should may be look on my pictures taken upon it. Anyway I like this card on an aesthetic plan minimum, plus three number symbolic signification. Three means seed, throat, green, revival, spring, voice, expression, extraversion and so on for a Numerologist isn't it ? 27 ° Celsius in Marseille "Tarot City" 21h56 PM Yves __________________ Yves Le Marseillais Nobody is above obligation to tell truth. Personne n'est au dessus de l'obligation de dire la vérité.

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Diana Citizen Join Date: 01 Jan 2002 Posts: 8,213	A most mysterious post, jmd. Waiting for your reflections. The triad of the Bateleur, the Papess and the Impératrice, i.e.: I came, I saw, I conquered. Poor Emperor: not much left for him to do but to consolidate. But please, I beg you, tell us more about this title "Impératrice". It is curious, in my mind, that it is an Impératrice, and not a Reine (Queen).

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Diana Citizen Join Date: 01 Jan 2002 Posts: 8,213	jmd? Hellooooo! Is anyone home? Darn, he didn't put on his answering machine..... Well, I'll try and phone later, then.

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jmd fourhares Join Date: 05 Aug 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 8,502	To return to my post - and apologies, I was called off line and took some days to return and post. I also did not mean to be 'mysterious' or even suggest a deep reflection on my part. Rather, the comments are somewhat simple. Firstly, it would seem that 'L'imperatrice' has a clear Latin origin in title, without much due French modifying. If it had, one would, as for her male counterpart, have modified the title to 'L'Empresse' - but the connotations or varied, and not befitting of the highest of Ladies, and one from whose womb the ruler of the land may well be begotten. With this title, there is also both the royal home and the inevitability of prerogative which are loosely impressed upon the mind through near homophony. The Imperial Palace, and the imperative, seem to fit more with the title as retained for the Empress by this earlier latinized form, than for the Emperor's French influenced title. These are, as I said, mere reflections...

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Rosanne Citizen Join Date: 08 Dec 2004 Location: North Auckland,New Zealand Posts: 5,652	I have no trouble with the L' Imp.... L'Emp... or without the apostrophe as in the Noblet LEMPERATRISE. I reckon it is pretty plain it comes from the Latin Imperatus and Imperialis. I have a problem with ...atrice/atrise at the end. Of course it could just be plain ol' suffix forming the feminine word of Emperor- but Pape became Papesse? So it makes me laugh to think of the commonly used term to loot and plunder in a flash of the eye......Trisen. Snatch, plunder and carry off. She might be in terms of card playing the equivalent of the Spade Queen= the black Bitch of the deck, and can plunder all your tricks. ~Rosanne __________________ How happy is he born and taught, That serveth not another's will; Whose armour is his honest thought, And simple truth his utmost skill! Sir Henry Wotton

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