Emporer & Chariot

[Dluv]

Hey all-

I know you are only allowed to compare two cards here, and that is all I am really looking for assistance with.
However for some background, I will just explain that I did a 5 card question and answer spread. No rx.

The Emperor came up in position 4: the outcome
The Chariot came up in position 5: The effect upon you.

**Please don't laugh at the absurdity of the question, but I will tell you so that you can have better understanding.
I asked if My boyfriend (who talks about marriage, babies, houses, etc) will actually ever really propose.

I find myself truly challenged interpreting these two here especially together, I know I am one who can often look to the most negative interpretations, however I can see some positives, so here goes...

The Emperor as the outcome tells me that there is the embrace of a secure and protected relationship, one where I (the women) allow him to be the provider, and in charge taking action where necessary, trusting in the person as if her were my own father, knowing he would provide when needed.

The Chariot tells me that all the elements need to be in place to get the action that I desire, and I will get the outcome I desire. If I remain determined and steadfast on my long term goals and keep pushing through all of the muck and challenges.

That of course was the rose colored desired interpretation!
I can also see it to mean...
That the outcome will be that I feel too controlled, and the chariot saying that I will eventually decide to leave the relationship.

hmmm...

[PAMUYA]

What popped into my head was, he will be a rock for you, he is a man who will take control and be fair, honest man, although he does not have the romance in him.

The chariot is saying that you will have to take charge and make things happen. You Pop the Question of marriage to him, you push the issue.

[starrystarrynight]

By virtue of your question and what appears to be your belief that it is he who has to be the one to propose marriage, the outcome is that he has all the control (Emperor,) and you need to take back some of it--sooner rather than later--or else that is how it will always be in your relationship (Chariot.) Which is basically what Pamuya is saying, I think, as well.

The two horses (or sphinxes or dragons, whatever) on the Chariot card need to pull in the same direction in order for it to move forward, but here, each position is weakened or "reversed" by the other. (If you consider elemental dignities, the Emperor is fire, and the Chariot is water--two clashing elements, rendering each more "negative." So, the reversed or blocked Chariot says things are out of control because the reversed or blocked Emperor is not ready to build his empire and will use whatever authority he does have to get his way and stay unencumbered by growth or maturity.)

Another way of putting it together is to say that he may not be ready for marriage yet (Emperor), and there is little you can do about it (Chariot.)

Disclaimer: This is looking at only these two cards together. The rest of the spread may sway this interpretation, so I would advise you to post the whole reading in Your Readings to maybe get a better interpretation or different opinions of what the whole thing says.

[Grizabella]

You know, unfortunately, those two cards could be telling you that he's going to turn into the demanding Emperor after you're married and you're going to have to drive the Chariot yourself, doing the work for both of you. Or it could be telling you that you'd have to be the Emperor and take charge of everything yourself. Marriage has a way of changing things because people have their ideas of what a marriage is supposed to be like, so once they're married, they step into that role and can become quite different than before they're married. Have a look at his parents' marriage if you can and see if you can figure out the dynamics of it. Likely he'll have the same ideas about marriage. Even a person who doesn't like the dynamics of their parents' marriage and doesn't want to repeat it will often simply switch roles, rather than really knowing how to make necessary changes.

For instance. J comes from a family where the father is very domineering and the mother is meek as a mouse, letting the father run roughshod over the whole family. J doesn't like that at all and has vowed never to be like his father. But he's conditioned to a family structure of one person being domineering and the other being subservient, so he all he knows is that family model. In keeping his vow never to be like his father, he unwittingly goes too far the other way and becomes his mother, putting his own wife into the position of having to assume the role of dominant partner in the marriage. Psychologically, things from our childhood run so deep that we can't see them and therefore can't fix them. They influence and motivate us without our realizing it.