Aeclectic Tarot
Dedicated to the diversity and beauty of Tarot since 1996


    · Decks   · Readings   · Forum   · Home
Tarot Decks Tarot Card Meanings Free Tarot Readings Tarot Books Forum Community What's New Home

  Aeclectic Tarot Forum > Tarot Special Interest > Historical Research

Welcome to the Aeclectic Tarot Forum!

We are the oldest and largest Tarot forum community on the Internet. If you have any questions about any aspect of Tarot or using your cards, or you just want to connect with other Tarot enthusiasts, you've found the right place!

Registering is completely free, and allows you to post, search, watch threads and more. Hope to see you in the forum soon!


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Huck 
Citizen
 
Join Date: 02 Jul 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,443

hm ...

:-) ... do you know the proverb, that a Fool can ask more than a wise man can answer?

Further, I'm not interested in the problem, why a publisher put a stamp on a card likely to declare, that these decks shall not be used for the market

Further, this is a Tarot History Forum, and I'm especially interested in problems of 15th century, in problems of Minchiate a little longer, but not after 1725.

here is something to read, but partly complicated

This is easier .. though a little bit outdated
http://trionfi.com/tarot/0p-early-pl...ents/index.php

btw. "Germini" and "Gallerini" are other names of the Minchiate game



__________________
Huck

"getting it home to the writing desk"

Last edited by Huck; 17-11-2011 at 11:13.
Huck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-11-2011 Need help fast? Chat with a live Tarot reader now!     Top   #21

Ads by Google
via Google Adsense
 
 
 

  #ADS
Huck 
Citizen
 
Join Date: 02 Jul 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,443

Here are a few Minchiate cards shown, which are older than those of the 1725 deck. This is fragmentary finding from - maybe - c. 1600, very roughly estimated with no security. They are from Ronciglione, a location, which had a playing card production privilege at papal territory.

http://www.bibliotecaviterbo.it/Rivi...-4/D_Orazi.pdf

Here is a Fama with Medici heraldic.



There is no guarantee, that heraldic designs were on all cards in a series. Likely there were often heraldic-free cards, and the buyer could put his own heraldic on the cards. It's similar with book paintings, especially for printing books. You have a complex decoration, but the "personal heraldic elements" are free.



__________________
Huck

"getting it home to the writing desk"

Last edited by Huck; 17-11-2011 at 20:46.
Huck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-11-2011 Need help fast? Chat with a live Tarot reader now!     Top   #22
Huck 
Citizen
 
Join Date: 02 Jul 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,443

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Iron Side View Post
In the strongest triumph,
The Trumpets, it is painted a view of the city of Bologna with the towers.
You mean this ...?



Where do we have such a big river in Bologna?


http://www.hotelalbafirenze.it/

... and this is from Florence

You mean this?




http://www.fuu-sprachreisen-weltweit...ologna_italien

... possibly an edition from Bologna. Yes, indeed, the deck description says so.
http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks07/d05114/d05114.htm

It also speaks of the stamps.



__________________
Huck

"getting it home to the writing desk"

Last edited by Huck; 20-11-2011 at 19:42.
Huck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-11-2011 Need help fast? Chat with a live Tarot reader now!     Top   #23
Fire Cat 
Firefighter EMT
 
Fire Cat's Avatar
 
Join Date: 16 Jan 2006
Location: N Central Florida
Posts: 10,973

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Iron Side View Post



In the triumph
XXVII there is a stamp, repeated twice, FUORI PER LE CASE (out for the houses).

What Does This Mean ?

These are tax stamps. They gave people permission to use cards, much like our liquor and cigarette tax stamps today. Without them one could/can be arrested.

Not too much stock should be placed in them other than if you need to date the deck to a particular time period, IMAO.



__________________
FiReTrUcKs!
i love monkey. i am monkey. monkey see, hear and be monkey. :) -James Wanless
Fire Cat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 20-11-2011 Need help fast? Chat with a live Tarot reader now!     Top   #24
Lady Iron Side 
Citizen
 
Lady Iron Side's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03 Jun 2006
Location: In the Woods... Happily lost in fairy tales
Posts: 386

Totally amazing thanks Huck and Fire Cat.

The PDF link, that not only was educational, it was also mind blowing.

thanks for posting the pictures up. This is awe4some real pic to the cards, luv it

okay I'm getting real greedy here, my mind craves more....tell me more... show me more... this is so fascinating. eagerly wanting to learn more about this deck.

Edit: I am very curious to the faces on the suit of coins, can you tell me who those faces might be? please name the cards that you know of the faces.

Edit 2: XXVII - Aries ( Aesop fables) The bull and the goat - http://aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cg...BullandtheGoat

I thought ha so fitting. lol

Last edited by Lady Iron Side; 23-11-2011 at 19:09.
Lady Iron Side is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-11-2011 Need help fast? Chat with a live Tarot reader now!     Top   #25
Huck 
Citizen
 
Join Date: 02 Jul 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,443

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Iron Side View Post
Totally amazing thanks Huck and Fire Cat.

The PDF link, that not only was educational, it was also mind blowing.




A very similar deck to that of the Ronciglione pdf is given in re-engraved form by the author Merlin in the 1860s. Merlin noted, that such a deck would be in the Museum Correr then.

http://autorbis.net/romain-merlin
(a visit of this page might be interesting ...)



The Museum shows this cards ...


http://www.archiviodellacomunicazion...px?WEB=MuseiVE

Merlin shows these cards:




__________________
Huck

"getting it home to the writing desk"

Last edited by Huck; 24-11-2011 at 08:38.
Huck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2011 Need help fast? Chat with a live Tarot reader now!     Top   #26
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time now is 00:36.

Tarot Decks Tarot Card Meanings Free Tarot Readings Tarot Books Forum Community What's New Home

Aeclectic Links
What's new
Add your deck
Write a review
Contact us
About us
Home
Popular Forums
· Tarot Decks
· Using Tarot Cards
· Reading Exchange
· Tarot Trading
· Talking Tarot
· Lenormand
· Chat
Useful Forum Links
· See today's new posts
· Upgrade your membership
· Win in our competitions

· Get help using the forum
· Search the forum
· Contact a moderator
Elsewhere on Aeclectic
Tarot Card Meanings
Free Tarot Readings
Tarot Books & eBooks
Decks by Theme
List All Decks

©  Aeclectic Tarot