Wonders of the Minchiate Etruria

[Huck]

hm ...

:-) ... do you know the proverb, that a Fool can ask more than a wise man can answer?

Further, I'm not interested in the problem, why a publisher put a stamp on a card likely to declare, that these decks shall not be used for the market

Further, this is a Tarot History Forum, and I'm especially interested in problems of 15th century, in problems of Minchiate a little longer, but not after 1725.

here is something to read, but partly complicated

This is easier .. though a little bit outdated
http://trionfi.com/tarot/0p-early-pl...ents/index.php

btw. "Germini" and "Gallerini" are other names of the Minchiate game

[Huck]

Here are a few Minchiate cards shown, which are older than those of the 1725 deck. This is fragmentary finding from - maybe - c. 1600, very roughly estimated with no security. They are from Ronciglione, a location, which had a playing card production privilege at papal territory.

http://www.bibliotecaviterbo.it/Rivi...-4/D_Orazi.pdf

Here is a Fama with Medici heraldic.



There is no guarantee, that heraldic designs were on all cards in a series. Likely there were often heraldic-free cards, and the buyer could put his own heraldic on the cards. It's similar with book paintings, especially for printing books. You have a complex decoration, but the "personal heraldic elements" are free.

[Huck]

Originally Posted by Lady Iron Side

In the strongest triumph,
The Trumpets, it is painted a view of the city of Bologna with the towers.

You mean this ...?



Where do we have such a big river in Bologna?


http://www.hotelalbafirenze.it/

... and this is from Florence

You mean this?




http://www.fuu-sprachreisen-weltweit...ologna_italien

... possibly an edition from Bologna. Yes, indeed, the deck description says so.
http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks07/d05114/d05114.htm

It also speaks of the stamps.

[Fire Cat]

Originally Posted by Lady Iron Side

In the triumph
XXVII there is a stamp, repeated twice, FUORI PER LE CASE (out for the houses).

What Does This Mean ?

These are tax stamps. They gave people permission to use cards, much like our liquor and cigarette tax stamps today. Without them one could/can be arrested.

Not too much stock should be placed in them other than if you need to date the deck to a particular time period, IMAO.

[Lady Iron Side]

Totally amazing thanks Huck and Fire Cat.

The PDF link, that not only was educational, it was also mind blowing.

thanks for posting the pictures up. This is awe4some real pic to the cards, luv it

okay I'm getting real greedy here, my mind craves more....tell me more... show me more... this is so fascinating. eagerly wanting to learn more about this deck.

Edit: I am very curious to the faces on the suit of coins, can you tell me who those faces might be? please name the cards that you know of the faces.

Edit 2: XXVII - Aries ( Aesop fables) The bull and the goat - http://aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cg...BullandtheGoat

I thought ha so fitting. lol

[Huck]

Originally Posted by Lady Iron Side

Totally amazing thanks Huck and Fire Cat.

The PDF link, that not only was educational, it was also mind blowing.

A very similar deck to that of the Ronciglione pdf is given in re-engraved form by the author Merlin in the 1860s. Merlin noted, that such a deck would be in the Museum Correr then.

http://autorbis.net/romain-merlin
(a visit of this page might be interesting ...)



The Museum shows this cards ...


http://www.archiviodellacomunicazion...px?WEB=MuseiVE

Merlin shows these cards: