Playing card inserts and cartomancy in Lenormands

[Cerulean]

when it comes to earlier Etteilla cartomancy and Lenormand fortune telling.

I am rambling, but a French book of historic card games is on its way to me.

I did enjoy the collected bits and such noted above.

A look into period card games and parlor party games over time would be interesting. There was a book on English Victorian homes. An odd moral decay illustration in Victorian of a poor mother with a sad household showed children playing card games, so likely certain card games wete an adult pastime

Also which playing card games, whether it was Patience, Euchre..have not been able ttrack or trace all the variations.

Although yesterday I was charmed to see a Sonoma California Mission soldiers barracks exhibit with appropriate Hombre and Latin-suited reproduction cards laid out as a kind of solitaire supposedly before it was secularized in the 1800's.

Lots to consider...

Cerulean

Originally Posted by IheartTarot

In case anyone here is interested, I have written a blog post about my theory on the significance of Lenormand playing card suits (elemental correspondences).

My post incorporates some history of suit signs in playing cards, Tarot and Lenormand decks as they all play a role. Essentially, I was able to make some sense of the Lenormand suits on the following basis, which may or may not be a coincidence:

1) Assume the following Lenormand/Tarot suit correspondences: Clubs/Pentacles, Hearts/Cups, Diamonds/Wands, Spades/Swords, Diamonds/Wands
2) Assume Tarot elemental correspondences (not the common playing card cartomancy meanings)
3) Observe the theme per suit in this context

I posted a link in the Advertisements section yesterday (not allowed here but you can access my blog via my profile).

[IheartTarot]

Originally Posted by Cerulean

when it comes to earlier Etteilla cartomancy and Lenormand fortune telling.

I am rambling, but a French book of historic card games is on its way to me.

I did enjoy the collected bits and such noted above.

A look into period card games and parlor party games over time would be interesting.

Thanks Cerulean, the French book sounds interesting!

I am going through a history phase for some reason. It's so sad that the past gets lost over time.

[Teheuti]

Excellent post on the playing card inserts here:
http://www.mywingsofdesireblog.blogs...and-suits.html

Their relationship to German playing cards can be seen in the Spiel der Hofning cards:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/researc...=3&numpages=10

[Cerulean]

Le Grand Livre des Jeux de Cartes et de Tarots:

Colette Silvestre
copyright 2003
ISBN 2=84197-253-4

http://www.amazon.com/grand-livre-je.../dp/2841972534

You can click to look inside and it has color inserts that include the Grimaud Grand Etteilla, the 54 card Grand Jeu LeNormand, 52 French suited poker cards, 22 majors for a modern 'Wirth' style tarot, 52 card Grand Belline, and about 20 other samples/lists of French oracle cards in color.

At least for 'Lenormand'...it has the Grand Jeu LeNormand and its playing card inserts...

No classic small Lenormand, but it allows me to do comparisons with the color inserts and mentions of older decks --the Georges Murchery Astrological Tarot and the Jeu des Mains by Moreau - it's a good reference for me to supplement some history and there's quite a few spreads.

I'll post more information about it in another thread for Grimaud cards and some history. Hope the note is helpful.

Cerulean

Originally Posted by IheartTarot

Thanks Cerulean, the French book sounds interesting!

I am going through a history phase for some reason. It's so sad that the past gets lost over time.

[Miss Divine]

I prefer the Lenormand with the card inserts too. I hardly ever use them, but I only use them in a certain way. I look at what is surrounding the querent (lady or man), and see if there are for instance many spades, the woman is thinking alot. Surrounded by pentacles, money and finances are on the mind. If there is a male partner, I look to see what's around the man.

Hope this makes sense...it works for me!

[Cerulean]

from Wings of Desire may be helpful as one tracks traditional cartomancy through Latin, French, German and English hertage decks and 'the Continental Tarots or Playing Cards'


I know that I observed some Sibilla differences and womdered why some Latin suited decks attribute elements differently than some modern Golden Dawn offspring. I know the Modiano 184 curious cartomancy in the minors were quite different and seemed like fortune telling cards when reading the meanings from the 1948 reprintinh.

Many good threads to follow.

Cerulean

Originally Posted by Teheuti

Excellent post on the playing card inserts here:
http://www.mywingsofdesireblog.blogs...and-suits.html

Their relationship to German playing cards can be seen in the Spiel der Hofning cards:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/researc...=3&numpages=10