Which cards represent Pisces to you?

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Eeviee

Corrine Kenner states that Pisces is also represented by The Hanged Man (as well as The Moon) in the Major Arcana.

Well, yes and no. We're back to that planet thing. If the Empress is Venus (the planet) then any zodiac sign associated with that planet can be represented by that card (Taurus and Libra in the case of Venus). But the Empress doesn't really represent either Libra or Taurus. She represents Venus.

Likewise the Hanged Man represents Neptune. Hence, can represent Pisces, but isn't representative of Pisces per se. The card is representative of the planet that rules Pisces, which is a little different than being the avatar of the actual zodiac sign.

Originally, by the by, the Hanged Man was not representative of either a planet or zodiac sign. There were, at first, three elemental cards: The Fool (representing air), the Hanged Man (representing water) and Judgement ( representing Fire). Later on, they ceased being representative of these elements and took on planets (respectively): Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

[LRichard]

Originally Posted by Eeviee

......The King of Cups rules over Saturn in Pisces and Jupiter in Pisces......

According to BoT, the Knight of Cups rules over the last Decan of Aquarius and the first two Decans of Pisces. This is also in accord with the Book T (although there may be some confusion between the exoteric and esoteric titles therein), in which those Courts on horseback are primarily Mutable, while those in chariots are primarily Fixed. Thus the Prince (RWS King) of Cups would rule over the last Decan of Libra and the first two Decans of Scorpio. I believe this is also the understanding of Mary K. Greer. It is unfortunate about the King/Prince/Knight confusion, but the horseback vs. chariot/throne distinction clears it all up, I believe.

[Anna Supertramp]

Thanks, all, for your input. This is helpful, but also very theoretical. Need some time to ponder over it. Still unsure how reliable the Tarot is when it comes to signifying someone's zodiac sign...

[Eeviee]

@Terrapin - Oops, yes! Brain-fart.

[Eeviee]

Originally Posted by Thirteen

Well, yes and no. We're back to that planet thing. If the Empress is Venus (the planet) then any zodiac sign associated with that planet can be represented by that card (Taurus and Libra in the case of Venus). But the Empress doesn't really represent either Libra or Taurus. She represents Venus.

Agreed. Perhaps I should have noted that neither the HPSS or the Empress is a difinitive representation of Pisces. I am of the belief that they contain/represent certain aspects of Pisces, but certainly not in totality or of them all.

Originally Posted by Thirteen

Likewise the Hanged Man represents Neptune. Hence, can represent Pisces, but isn't representative of Pisces per se. The card is representative of the planet that rules Pisces, which is a little different than being the avatar of the actual zodiac sign.

Again, I completely agree. For the reasons mentioned for the HPSS and Empress, above. I wasn't sure where Kenner got that association, I was just referring to a chart in Tarot and Astrology that I'd just picked up, and only just skimmed through.

[Persia]

I know the star should signify aquarius, but for me it also sents incredible pisces vibes, very mutable, very watery, especially in the reflective pool....does that make any sense?

[Anna Supertramp]

Originally Posted by Persia

I know the star should signify aquarius, but for me it also sents incredible pisces vibes, very mutable, very watery, especially in the reflective pool....does that make any sense?

i think it came up with me once or twice as aquarius... but yeah, the reflection makes sense for pisces, too.

[nisaba]

To me, Tarot talks about the nature and character of a person, it doesn't so much nail down their asprology. And no, astrology doesn't necessarily nail down character, either.

[Thirteen]

Originally Posted by Eeviee

Agreed. Perhaps I should have noted that neither the HPSS or the Empress is a difinitive representation of Pisces. I am of the belief that they contain/represent certain aspects of Pisces, but certainly not in totality or of them all.

Actually, the HPS wouldn't represent Pisces, even though the Moon (confusingly, we'll admit) is the card given to Pisces in the tarot. The Moon was given to Pisces more for what it represents (dreaminess, visions, etc.) then for the fact that it is a the planet of Pisces. Astrologically speaking, Neptune is Pisces' planet. The Moon is Cancer's "planet."

Tarot confuses by giving the HPS the Moon, and the Moon to Pisces, but if you imagine the Moon card as being a person called "The Dreamer" you'll realize that, if it wasn't called "the Moon," you wouldn't even think of connecting Pisces to the HPS. You would see the Dreamer as "Pisces" just as you see the Hermit as Virgo, right? And the only other trump you'd relate Pisces to would be the Hanged Man because that card is Neptune, it's planet. So, we kind of have to separate the Moon card from the "planet" (the Moon). The Moon card isn't "The Moon" (astrological planet) at all. It the zodiac sign: Pisces. The HPS is the "Moon" (astrological planet).

Does that make sense?

So as Pisces gets the Moon card and the Hanged Man (via Neptune), Cancer gets the Chariot and the HPS (via the Moon). i.e. each zodiac card gets a card for the sign, and a card that it is related to thanks to the planet belonging to that card. If we assign the HPS to Pisces, too, then Cancer only gets the Chariot, while Pisces gets the HPS, the Moon and the Hanged Man. Not really fair

[Eeviee]

Originally Posted by Thirteen

Actually, the HPS wouldn't represent Pisces, even though the Moon (confusingly, we'll admit) is the card given to Pisces in the tarot. The Moon was given to Pisces more for what it represents (dreaminess, visions, etc.) then for the fact that it is a the planet of Pisces. Astrologically speaking, Neptune is Pisces' planet. The Moon is Cancer's "planet."

Tarot confuses by giving the HPS the Moon, and the Moon to Pisces, but if you imagine the Moon card as being a person called "The Dreamer" you'll realize that, if it wasn't called "the Moon," you wouldn't even think of connecting Pisces to the HPS. You would see the Dreamer as "Pisces" just as you see the Hermit as Virgo, right? And the only other trump you'd relate Pisces to would be the Hanged Man because that card is Neptune, it's planet. So, we kind of have to separate the Moon card from the "planet" (the Moon). The Moon card isn't "The Moon" (astrological planet) at all. It the zodiac sign: Pisces. The HPS is the "Moon" (astrological planet).

Does that make sense?

So as Pisces gets the Moon card and the Hanged Man (via Neptune), Cancer gets the Chariot and the HPS (via the Moon). i.e. each zodiac card gets a card for the sign, and a card that it is related to thanks to the planet belonging to that card. If we assign the HPS to Pisces, too, then Cancer only gets the Chariot, while Pisces gets the HPS, the Moon and the Hanged Man. Not really fair

It all made very much sense to me. =] And yes, I am aware that The Moon in Tarot is not the Moon as a celestial being, etc.
Technically, you are right (and politically correct! ;])... but as I stated in my original post, and clarified in a later post, my associations with Pisces to the HPSS and Empress are personal. My beliefs hold that the HPSS and the Empress are the spiritual and physical representations of the Divine Feminine. As the Elements of Water (including the sign of Pisces) and Earth are Feminine they are ruled by the Divine Feminine. While the HPSS may not be associated with all aspects of Pisces, or all of any other Water or Earth sign, I still hold the association, even if is not a complete representation.
That's just me, and my personal mythology, though!